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 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
The BA Assault Squad is just gonna be the Death Company boxed repackaged and showing them red, I guarantee it.

Don't forget the $35 USD increase too.

Its a good thing I grabbed those 6 boxes of DC when I could

Lucarikkx

A SW tank based on the Russ seems a little odd given that Forge World is basically doing this as part of their Heresy line.

 pretre wrote:
Space Wolf and Blood Angels Rumors - Oct 2013.
The Blood Angels are soon to receive a digital version of their 5th edition codex, and a Space Wolves are rumored to be a full 6th edition codex release here in 2014. So this rumor specificially talks about a dual model release of both Blood Angels and Space Wolves.

There has been no Finecast releases for quite some time, so if this is going to happen, it would mean the rumors of Finecast being phased out were incorrect. However with a digital release, its quite possible that we could see a limited release of characters and updates. Not to mention that they could be tied to another unknown release.

Please remember that these are rumors.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
that Blood Angels and Space Wolves will have the following new models in 2014 and may be released together.

BA:
Mephiston finecast
Dante finecast
Sanguinary Priest plastic clampack
Blood Angels Assault Squad plastic kit

SW:
Logan Grimnar finecast
Ragnar Blackmane finecast
Wolf Guard plastic clampack
Space Wolves Relic Battletank plastic kit

Man, all the 40K2 Blood Angel characters need a resculpt, and Ragnar is from Rogue Trader. I guess they're just keeping him around for posterity at this point. He's the last figure that's been unchanged since he was released, and that we can track price increases through...

Most of what the Space Wolves have is already in plastic. I wouldn't be opposed to a plastic Rune Priest or Wolf Priest.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

If this is a digital only codex we won't see any new sculpts. Just "affordable" 1-click collections.

 l0k1 wrote:
Perhaps this rumored BA assault squad is actually a new jump infantry unit?

BA have Assault Marines, Vanguard Veterans, Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, and Honor Guard. I somehow doubt they're getting more jump infantry.

I'd really love a plastic Sanguinary Priest in Termie Armor

Amen

 Brother SRM wrote:

 l0k1 wrote:
Perhaps this rumored BA assault squad is actually a new jump infantry unit?

BA have Assault Marines, Vanguard Veterans, Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, and Honor Guard. I somehow doubt they're getting more jump infantry.

While that is true, there is still the matter of BA having a USEFUL jump infantry unit in 6th ed being the problem. Death Company and vanguard with jump packs are beyond useless so I don't even count them in the available options.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 l0k1 wrote:
Perhaps this rumored BA assault squad is actually a new jump infantry unit?

BA have Assault Marines, Vanguard Veterans, Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, and Honor Guard. I somehow doubt they're getting more jump infantry.

BA don't need new assault squads either. It was just a thought. Perhaps, if the rumor is true, its a way for GW to release "new" models to the existing line without actually coming up with new rules.

 Kirasu wrote:
Not sure I understand Dante and Mephiston in finecast.. I already have them in finecast, will they come with their own dust jackets and be sold as the limited edition versions??

ARGH don't give GW ideas. I can see it now...

 Bull0 wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Not sure I understand Dante and Mephiston in finecast.. I already have them in finecast, will they come with their own dust jackets and be sold as the limited edition versions??

ARGH don't give GW ideas. I can see it now...

New GW finedust jackets....get them while they last (suitable double entandre there)

That's all I want is a dust jacket with bubbles in it...

I'm hoping for some Death Company Terminators. Think Paladins but with only 1W and no Apothecary needed. Would wreck a lot things if properly done.

I can't imagine why anyone would give a Death Company member a suit of Terminator armor. They're on a suicide mission, seeking a glorious death in battle rather than slide into madness and have to be put down. Letting them deny the Legion a suit of Tactical Dreadnought Armor in their rush to battlefield suicide seems like an awful waste.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I could see a LR tank in the SW codex, easily. It IS named after their Primarch, after all. It's daft that it wasn't in the fifth edition codex. That's something I've never understood, actually.

I already see it, in fact i see hole squadron of it, its called allying with IG.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I can't imagine why anyone would give a Death Company member a suit of Terminator armor. They're on a suicide mission, seeking a glorious death in battle rather than slide into madness and have to be put down. Letting them deny the Legion a suit of Tactical Dreadnought Armor in their rush to battlefield suicide seems like an awful waste.

Space wolves give TDA to lone wolves, who are doing pretty much the same thing...

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I can't imagine why anyone would give a Death Company member a suit of Terminator armor. They're on a suicide mission, seeking a glorious death in battle rather than slide into madness and have to be put down. Letting them deny the Legion a suit of Tactical Dreadnought Armor in their rush to battlefield suicide seems like an awful waste.

I could have set my watch by the time it takes for this argument to appear.

I'm sure that never in the history of the BA has a single marine in TDA fallen into the madness of the Black Rage during a battle.

I mean, no way has a Terminator squad cut off in a space hulk, surrounded, outnumbered, and awaiting their deaths lost their friggen minds and gone all "Death Company" until they died in glorious battle.

Yes, every BA player gets it. No one in the right mind would put a nutbar in TDA before the battle. However, I'm sure it happens quite often in protracted engagements where circumstances have become very grim.

I mean, it's not like other armies in 40k can field terminators with nearly the same set of rules as Death Company.

Oh wait.....

 TalonZahn wrote:

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I can't imagine why anyone would give a Death Company member a suit of Terminator armor. They're on a suicide mission, seeking a glorious death in battle rather than slide into madness and have to be put down. Letting them deny the Legion a suit of Tactical Dreadnought Armor in their rush to battlefield suicide seems like an awful waste.

I could have set my watch by the time it takes for this argument to appear.

I'm sure that never in the history of the BA has a single marine in TDA fallen into the madness of the Black Rage during a battle.

I mean, no way has a Terminator squad cut off in a space hulk, surrounded, outnumbered, and awaiting their deaths lost their friggen minds and gone all "Death Company" until they died in glorious battle.

Yes, every BA player gets it. No one in the right mind would put a nutbar in TDA before the battle. However, I'm sure it happens quite often in protracted engagements where circumstances have become very grim.

I mean, it's not like other armies in 40k can field terminators with nearly the same set of rules as Death Company.

Oh wait.....

I think you're forgetting that terminator armour is considered one of the holiest relics a space marine chapter owns. To lose one of these suits is considered a grave shame.
That would be why they don't hand them over to Death Company. Name the last time they brought something back in good condition.
And more importantly, yes there are three other armies that can field super termies. And only two of these armies should ACTUALLY be able to do this. But hey, you have flying terminators. That's pretty good to. And imagine the 6th ed pricing on the sanguinary guard! They could probably drop 5-7 points you know....

Agreed. It's very different than SW.

 Moopy wrote:
Agreed. It's very different than SW.

How? Both are berserker warriors dead-set on killing the enemy at all costs. Not much difference there, other than space wolves realize how useful such a person can be and give him the pick of the armory apparently.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I'm hoping for some Death Company Terminators. Think Paladins but with only 1W and no Apothecary needed. Would wreck a lot things if properly done.

Don't think that really fits with the background to be honest..

Agreed, you wouldn't give TDA to someone who'd already fallen in to the black rage, and having a whole squad succumb to it during a battle in the manner you describe isn't something I've seen in the fluff. Don't forget the black rage and the red thirst aren't the same thing.

 TalonZahn wrote:

Yes, every BA player gets it. No one in the right mind would put a nutbar in TDA before the battle. However, I'm sure it happens quite often in protracted engagements where circumstances have become very grim.
.

Don't Death Company wear special Black Armour, marked by symbols and paint schemes that reflect their lost minds and suicidal mission?

So, yes, some Terminators might go crazy during battle, but they would still be fighting with their usual squad, reflecting by the Blood Angel bloodlust rule or whatever its called, not separated off into a specially armed and armoured squad.

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

Yes, every BA player gets it. No one in the right mind would put a nutbar in TDA before the battle. However, I'm sure it happens quite often in protracted engagements where circumstances have become very grim.
.

Don't Death Company wear special Black Armour, marked by symbols and paint schemes that reflect their lost minds and suicidal mission?

So, yes, some Terminators might go crazy during battle, but they would still be fighting with their usual squad, reflecting by the Blood Angel bloodlust rule or whatever its called, not separated off into a specially armed and armoured squad.

Exactly, that's what the Red Thirst rule is for.

Well there's this from GW; 3rd Chapter Approved rules fully supported the idea with no limit on TDA. Here's the fluff explanation without the rules:



Then we have Tycho in Artificer Armor and DC in Dreads. Now I know that the Dread DC goes DC after being put IN the Dread. Of course if a DC guy lives through a battle, which is an argument against TDA armor, they kill him after the battle -> see Astorath. So, if that's a big deal, just take the dude out of the Dread and he dies. No way is TDA more precious than a Dread. Yet time and again they are willing to chance a DC Dread, but not DC TDA?

I think Jerivs also wrote something about a DC army.

In the end, they're your toys and you can paint them how you want and if you want DC TDA in the game, give them a Priest and a Chappy, paint them black, and rock out DC style.

Whatever you do, don't follow this link for fluffiness - http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/en-the-death-of-integrity.html

I definitely stand corrected, then. That was a good read, thanks for posting. It made my body somewhat ready

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Moopy wrote:
Agreed. It's very different than SW.

How? Both are berserker warriors dead-set on killing the enemy at all costs. Not much difference there, other than space wolves realize how useful such a person can be and give him the pick of the armory apparently.

There's a fairly massive difference. In addition to Lone Wolves retaining their mental faculties rather than being consumed by insane delusions like Death Company are, if a Lone Wolf succeeds in killing something suitably impressive, they're welcomed back into their Great Company and promoted to Wolf Guard status. If a Death Company member lives through doing something suitably heroic, he still gets put down.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Moopy wrote:
Agreed. It's very different than SW.

How? Both are berserker warriors dead-set on killing the enemy at all costs. Not much difference there, other than space wolves realize how useful such a person can be and give him the pick of the armory apparently.

There's a fairly massive difference. In addition to Lone Wolves retaining their mental faculties rather than being consumed by insane delusions like Death Company are, if a Lone Wolf succeeds in killing something suitably impressive, they're welcomed back into their Great Company and promoted to Wolf Guard status. If a Death Company member lives through doing something suitably heroic, he still gets put down.

I was going to say this as well. Considering how tough Space Marines are in the fluff, it's actually probably more likely than not that the Lone Wolf will survive their ordeal.

 TalonZahn wrote:
Well there's this from GW; 3rd Chapter Approved rules fully supported the idea with no limit on TDA. Here's the fluff explanation without the rules:

Spoiler:

This was the first question that assailed me [Gav Thorpe]: Is it feasible, within the Blood Angels' background, for an entire army to succumb to the Black Rage? Well of course it is. I can easily picture the scene in my mind...

It is during a major campaign, perhaps the Battle for Armageddon, and the Blood Angels Chapter is fully mobilised. On the eve of a large engagement a sizeable force of Blood Angels has assembled in prayer. When their thoughts turn to Sanguinius, they are assailed by visions of their Primarch's death at the hands of Horus. All around them the world lies devastated by their foul enemies and it seems as if the soil itself cries out for vengeance. Countless millions of lives have been lost and their death cries still linger in the air. Infused with hatred, tormented across the millennia by Sanguinius' bloody sacrifice, the Blood Angels feel their anger rising uncontrollably. Who can blame them for succumbing to their savage instinct to kill and destroy the Emperor's enemies? Have they not been raised and trained for just such a purpose? Are they not the protectors of Mankind with a sacred duty to avenge those who have fallen?

It starts with a few Space Marines; their rage breaking forth with hysterical shouts, the quivering of powerful muscles, the blinding waking nightmare of the Black Rage. Like stones cast into a puddle, these few send a ripple of burning ire through their comrades, and more and more of the Blood Angels feel Sanguinius ancient energy rising through them. The Chaplains themselves fight hard against the urge, but even they cannot hold against the surging tide of anger that sweeps around them. There is no time for rituals now, no time-honoured annointing of armour or prayers to Sanguinius and the Emperor. The whole army is filled with the need to bring terrifying destruction upon their enemies, to fulfill the charnel greed that suffuses their minds and bodies. As one, the army spills forth towards the enemy, baying for blood, chanting the battle-cries of the Blood Angels. Like a terrible storm they fall upon their foes, half-blinded with rage, knowing nothing but the need to spill blood; to tear their enemies apart; to wade knee-deep in the gore of the Emperor's foes.

Then we have Tycho in Artificer Armor and DC in Dreads. Now I know that the Dread DC goes DC after being put IN the Dread. Of course if a DC guy lives through a battle, which is an argument against TDA armor, they kill him after the battle -> see Astorath. So, if that's a big deal, just take the dude out of the Dread and he dies. No way is TDA more precious than a Dread. Yet time and again they are willing to chance a DC Dread, but not DC TDA?

I think Jerivs also wrote something about a DC army.

In the end, they're your toys and you can paint them how you want and if you want DC TDA in the game, give them a Priest and a Chappy, paint them black, and rock out DC style.

Whatever you do, don't follow this link for fluffiness - http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/en-the-death-of-integrity.html

It's just an example of ret-conned fluff written by people who couldn't be bothered to read the stuff beforehand. The whole DC dread thing has many logical holes in it as you pointed out as they wouldn't just destroy a dreadnought for no reason, also I don't get how a DC dread loses armor and becomes faster once the pilot succumbs to the black rage? Do they tear off the armor plates and retrofit it with better servos in the legs only to kill the pilot after the battle and turn it back into a furioso?? The DC dread is more for Flesh Tearers who have more death company than normal..(Then again Astorath allows for more DC but he's a Blood Angel so yet again I'm confused..)

Then again I tend to just read James Swallows BA books and ignore the "We're so goth and moody" fluff that Ward wrote for the BA.

Here's my viewpoint on the BA fluff, retconns and everything in between.

I'll preface by saying I've been playing Blood Angels since 3rd Edition, and have the 3rd edition mini-dex, White Dwarf 'codex', and of course the newest codex as well. I also have the Angels of Death codex where they, along with the Dark Angels, were first introduced as a stand alone army back in 2nd edition I believe. I also have all of the newer Blood Angels novels released so far by James Swallow (Good books all, I enjoyed them for what they were anyway).

Blood Angels are, at their core, noble and proud (as any Space Marine is proud of their chapter, obviously) but that pride is tempered and they are more humble in their pride than some. Hence why I use the word noble first in my description. Every Blood Angel, or Son of Sanguinius for that matter, fights a battle with the Black Rage every day of their lives. That's the source of their Nobility, the struggle to fight their baser instincts and the daily pride of triumphing over such a terrible curse within their own minds until the day they finally do lose themselves to the Rage, and the knowledge that even in madness, they can still be of service to Sanguinius, and the Emperor.

The Red Thirst is a different beast all together. That channeling of the battle lust, the culmination of desire to see the enemies of mankind slain and torn apart in visceral hand to hand combat. That is the Red Thirst, and I love the duality of that, and the Black Rage, coupled with the 'normal' method of quiet, serine nobility that the Blood Angels practice when not engaged in combat.

That's why they are the epitome of nobility, and one of the reasons why I love the chapter so much.

Lastly, I'll speak to why the Death Company are not typically given suits of Tactial Dreadnought Armor.

It isn't because they are more precious (though TDA is very rare and precious in any marine chapter to be sure!) but because of one very simple point: Mobility.

TDA, while being very stout and hardy, protecting the wearer from most any harm, it is not known for it's mobility. Blood Angels are a very fast moving, hard hitting, mobile force. Most Blood Angels assaults are rapid, fast-moving affairs in the lore, and having your spearhead unit plodding along in TDA does not lend itself to this kind of attack pattern. Also, the Death Company are resilient to wounds already, so the sacrifice in protection while wearing power armor vs. TDA is somewhat offset, and gives the Death Company the mobility it needs to cover ground more effectively and continue to spearhead the often rapid assault of the rest of the force behind it.

Just my .02 cents worth. Thanks for reading and I'll catch you guys later.

-Red__Thirst-