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 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
ah your right sorry about that.

S'all cool man, lol.

I just need some way of alpha striking the crap out of my opponent's Flagship... Barrage of Fire isn't enough. lol

And to make matters worse, he has Dukat on it as well, and gets to Scan, Battlestations, AND gets a third action...

Flagship plus Dukat = more broken than Strike Force...lol

looking good, the month 5 op stuff is all dominion stuff, so I will be a happy camper.

keep the pics and stuff coming!

Ok this is what i can think of:
26 Koraga
06 martok (LE)
00 advanced weapons system*
05 defense condition one
22 Ch'tang
04 Koloth
0 advanced weapons system*
05 barrage of fire
24 kavort class
03 worf
05 command tokens
100

*10 points united force

Koloth will shoot at the same time as Dukat. Use matok for a plus one to the attack. Have koloth use a battle station from the command tokens and hit dukat with barrage of fire, supported by martok. 9 attacks with battle stations and the Ch'Tangs reroll should be enough to handle Dukats flagship. Worf can then be used to put some hurt on a 2nd ship. Save defense condition one for the next round all 3 of your ships can shoot.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Ok this is what i can think of:
26 Koraga
06 martok (LE)
00 advanced weapons system*
05 defense condition one
22 Ch'tang
04 Koloth
0 advanced weapons system*
05 barrage of fire
24 kavort class
03 worf
05 command tokens
100

*10 points united force

Koloth will shoot at the same time as Dukat. Use matok for a plus one to the attack. Have koloth use a battle station from the command tokens and hit dukat with barrage of fire, supported by martok. 9 attacks with battle stations and the Ch'Tangs reroll should be enough to handle Dukats flagship. Worf can then be used to put some hurt on a 2nd ship. Save defense condition one for the next round all 3 of your ships can shoot.

I thought the Command Tokens were 10 points???

Looks solid, I'll have to run it,

Na, they are only 5 points. You only get 5 of then10 tokens though. When intake them I like attack reroll, battle stations, set attack, defense reroll, and set defense die.

The list is a pure faction klingon list, but I have had sucess with something similar:
22 Ch'Tang
07 Picard
05 Barrage of fire
28 negvar
06 Martok
26 vorcha
05 donatra
99 total

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Na, they are only 5 points. You only get 5 of then10 tokens though. When intake them I like attack reroll, battle stations, set attack, defense reroll, and set defense die.

The list is a pure faction klingon list, but I have had sucess with something similar:
22 Ch'Tang
07 Picard
05 Barrage of fire
28 negvar
06 Martok
26 vorcha
05 donatra
99 total

Oh, I think I see what you're trying to do with Picard on the Ch'tang, ensure a first strike with Barrage of Fire and using Picard's free action to give the Ch'Tang Battlestations, correct?

thats how it works.

One OP I played in I was able to one shot an Enterprise D in each game. Its killer, though I would not recommend it for OP5. The Ch'tang is too fragile to go up against OWPs. The list did great in OP3 & 4, however with only 3 hull points the extra shots from the OWPs will take picard out fast.

Another thing to keep in mind with barrage of fire is the auxiliary power tokens you have to take for it. One shotting a ship is nice but it leaves 2 of your ships vulnerable, because either your moves are predictable greens, or you are left defenseless. Now that the admiral orders have have changed there may not be so many 2 ship fleets for OP5, so that will be 2 ships coming back at you, plus the OWPs.

We usually just play casual for the OP events, So I think I might try to use your list sometime, see how it works, lol.

I'd love to one-shot that flagship out of space, lol.

Here are two lists I am trying to decide between for my OP5 next week:

List one:

Admiral's Orders: United Force

RIS Vo
Independent/Klingon Flagship
Donatra
Interphase Generator
Parem

IRW Khazara
Valdore
Tactical Officer
Interphase Generator

IRW Valdore
Toreth
Counter Attack

Total: 100

The RIS Vo can give my other two ships a +2 attack



List two:

Admiral's Orders: United Force

Vorcha Class
Independent/Federation Flagship
GenKhan

Vorcha Class
Gowron
Defense Condition One

K'Vort Class
Martok (LE)
Barrage of Fire

Total: 100

Basic 3 Klingon Ship cheese-fest

Thoughts?

I really enjoyed getting payback against those OWPs!

Here's the vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wehtvzQN_cI&feature=youtu.be

Wow, that was one badly handled cardassian fleet! It was so clear you were going to pincer him and he completely failed to adapt

 DeathwingCrusader wrote:
I really enjoyed getting payback against those OWPs!

Here's the vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wehtvzQN_cI&feature=youtu.be

Nicely played, and good use of Synon. Did you see the FAQ on BGG today, now Parks says that the OWPs are placed before ships.


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I think OP5 was poorly written. Having the OWPs setting up within 12 inches of the table edge is too close. They were never a factor in my games because in all 3 we just took our time destroying them before the fleets met. Though with the new set up some of them probably be so far away from the action that people will leave them alone. I like how you guys did it in the video, seems more thematic to how they were in the show.

My own OP5 experience was not so great. I swept the first 2 opponents, but in game 3 I just couldn't land a hit and ended up coming in 3rd. I have 2 more OP5s on the calendar. Hopefully they will go better. Though nobody in my group feels sorry for me because I won 3 OP4s and came in 2nd in another. So even without a Rav Laerst I am sitting on 4 Sutherlands.


I will be giving one to a friend of mine that couldn't make it to OP4. He is all about the federation and never even got a chance to play for one.

We did this mission (PROTECT THE ALPHA QUADRANT) twice so there are actually two battles in this video, one right after the other. Here is the vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQjOgAAi--Q&feature=youtu.be


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We also did ESCORT THE CHANCELLOR'S SHIP. There were a lot of Romulan cloaked mines around that planet!

Here's the vid:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHmqYO6E52o&feature=youtu.be

Great videos as always. He really messed with you attack plan with those mines. Sneaky Romulans
Was he using some micro machine war birds? 2 of them looked a little different. Alternative models are great, but you should hook your bud up with a Valdor

I had an interesting idea.

I.K.S. Maht-H'A + Scotty + Klingon Flagship OR Admiral's Orders: Strike Force

Basically use your ship's action for Scotty and then cloak using a free action. It's probably come up before, but I just realized you could do this and easily get up to 8 attack dice w/o buffs from other ships.

Hello there guys I have been meaning to bring you guys this report for a while, but things have been crazy around here for the past 2 weeks. I found out after the first turn that it was a little much to keep track of ever action so I only recorded what ships were lost and a few highlight moments. They only house rules we imposed were to allow one resource for every 100 points and we allowed multiple of the named Preatus, the generic Romulan BoP is really worthless. Also since we both took command tokens we decided to allow all 10 or them to be taken as one resource. In all we have two 17 ship fleets and 600 points a side.

So here we go:

Fleets:







Rumble in the Neutral Zone:




So things I learned:
1) Romulans really shine in higher point games. Bigger games give them a chance to load up those expensive ships with upgrades. A Warbird is pretty fierce when packing both plasma and photon torpedoes.

2) When there are lots of ships on the table higher captains skills don’t really mean much. Picard didn’t do much before he was killed and he didn’t worry me all that much when I had 4 Warbirds to fire back at him. Higher captain skills didn’t really become a factor until later in the game when there were less ships with fewer hull points left.

3) Look out for Miranda torpedo boats. When those things started firing salvos of torpedoes all at one target look out.

4) Never underestimate the Constitution class. They get ripped a lot for not having a rear firing arc, but it did really well in our game. We used it as a Constellation Class so it fit into the Next Gen era, but it was the Constitution Class rules we used. That thing delivered the killing blow to the Aj’Rmr, Valdor, Valdor Class, and at least one generic Warbird. It was really the star for the Federation.

It was a blast to play, I hope you had fun reading it.

Fantastic game Baldrick! Great to see the Romulans winning

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Great videos as always. He really messed with you attack plan with those mines. Sneaky Romulans
Was he using some micro machine war birds? 2 of them looked a little different. Alternative models are great, but you should hook your bud up with a Valdor

Micromachines. Valdore doesn't have a Tech slot for Cloaked Mines or a reverse, both of which my buddy considers essential.

 DeathwingCrusader wrote:

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Great videos as always. He really messed with you attack plan with those mines. Sneaky Romulans
Was he using some micro machine war birds? 2 of them looked a little different. Alternative models are great, but you should hook your bud up with a Valdor

Micromachines. Valdore doesn't have a Tech slot for Cloaked Mines or a reverse, both of which my buddy considers essential.

I can see how he likes having those 2 options. Though once the Gal Gathong comes out he might change his mind. You never told us if you won the ship in your OP5 video.

yeah I got rocked at op 5 by romulans with cloaked mines as well, was my first time against them, next time maybe Ill try circling the board edge or something, because you cant just 90 degree away from them and lose all your arcs for shooting.

they sure are good for a 4 pt card!

that being said, It was still a good close game where I took out 2/4 of his ships (150pts at this op)

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

 DeathwingCrusader wrote:

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Great videos as always. He really messed with you attack plan with those mines. Sneaky Romulans
Was he using some micro machine war birds? 2 of them looked a little different. Alternative models are great, but you should hook your bud up with a Valdor

Micromachines. Valdore doesn't have a Tech slot for Cloaked Mines or a reverse, both of which my buddy considers essential.

I can see how he likes having those 2 options. Though once the Gal Gathong comes out he might change his mind. You never told us if you won the ship in your OP5 video.

Yes, I won the OP5 ship Rav Laerst, but I gave it to my brother who has a Dominion fleet.


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 easysauce wrote:
yeah I got rocked at op 5 by romulans with cloaked mines as well, was my first time against them, next time maybe Ill try circling the board edge or something, because you cant just 90 degree away from them and lose all your arcs for shooting.

they sure are good for a 4 pt card!

Romulan Cloaked Mines are a 3 point card. They get extremely overpowered the higher the points the battle is. Facing 1 or 2 mines is hard at 100 points, facing 4 or 5 mines (over have the board covered) at 150 points and higher is just no fun at all. For 15 points (3x5), your opponent limits you to half the battlefield while he has the whole thing.

yeah the mines really need to not be permanent... way too much area denial + def ignoring attacks for so little... 3 pts PFT...

My personal feelings on cloaked mines is the should go away after triggered the first time OR they should be unique. Some where over on BGG Andrew Parks admited that they didn't make them unique because they never thought people would take more than one of them
I feel that since they were play tested with that in mind then the mines should have been FAQed to be unique or cost more point for a non Romulan BoP, like the breen ED.


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Though I would like to point out to all folks who say "don't leave home without them" to cloaked mines, in my 600 point game I didn't have 1 of them and still beat the federation

Greetings dakka trekies,

Well this weekend went way better than 2 weeks ago. Two tournaments and two victories




I am glad I was able to get these. I am working on an all breen fleet and it is really helpful to have 3 breen cruisers that now have tech slots Plus INVALUABLE ADVICE & THOT PRAN are great cards.

Interesting thing I noticed was it looks like the Rav Laerst was a little rushed coming out ofmthe factory.



The 2 on the left are the Rav Laerst an the 4 on the right are the Gor Portas expansions. Notice how the green on the fins is missing from the Laerst and the tail on the one isn't even painted at all. I don't really bother me because I am not repainting anything, but I did find it interesting.

wow... i only just now realised my rav laerst has the extra tech upgrade instead of another weapon one... same with the generic version of rav....
thanks for mentioning that baldrick
odd that there are two different generic versions....

Wizkids did the same thing with the Romulan warbird. The Khazara has 1 tech, 1 weapon, and 3 crew slots, the generic drops a crew. The Aj'rmr from OP 3 has 1 tech, 2 weapons and 2 crew, once again the OP generic drops a crew. So you can have a generic warbird with both plasma & photon torpedoes.

Now that we have seen this in 2 different OP prizes it bodes well for things to come. Imagine an OP Galaxy class with a tech slot or a romulan scout with a weapon. I for one can't wait to see what the Collective OP prizes are.


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Oh, I also played some casual games last night. Rav Laerst with Sar & Tetryon Emissions FTW.

We ended up postponing our OP5 until last night; the OP kit was late in arriving. I had the following force:

IKS Maht-H'A
Klingon Flagship
Picard
Scotty
Interphase Generator

Vor'cha Class
Gul Dukat
Dorsal Weapons Array
Interphase Generator

Admiral's Orders: Strike Force


My general strategy was to line up directly across from my opponent and point at a nearly 90 degree angle. I would move away from them and let them take out some OWPs. I then came about and we would joust a bit. Theory was the fleets would pass each other and I would enter the region they de-OWP'ed. They would have to turn around and deal with the OWPs I 'neglected'

In practice this worked out quite well. I also discovered the joy of Sensor Echoes. That came in handy to get out of the way of some OWPs. I went 2-1 with the last win being a roll-off. Unfortunately my idea also took up a lot of time. The only loss was by 7 points and was a very enjoyable game of high-stakes maneuvers.

The biggest stars of my fleet were the ships, the Klingon Flagship, the captains, and the Interphase Generators.

I've been thinking of using Hideki Fighters in OP6, but my OP5 fleet was so fun that I am considering a variant of it.

Congrats on the win csimian


For one of my OP5s I flew:
Negvar class
picard

vorcha class
martok (8)

Romulan science vessel
ferengi em pulse

romulan science vessel
ferengi em pulse

I was a little unsure of this build at first but wanted to try something different. I was surprised when I went 3-0.
I never thought I would do that well, i really just made the list to see how much i could mess with the AO fleets. I was the only person out of 8 not using admirals orders. The first 2 fleets were united force and round 3 was against a strike force. All the action stacking in the world doesn't help when you get double EM pulsed
Martok was a champ because he allowed me to use an em pulse every turn. I was also happy to find a good use for the science vessel.

I would love to see a Jem'hadar Battleship with 2 Aux tokens on it; or a Borg ship for that matter I like it!

So here's what I'm planning for OP6:


IKS Maht-H'A
KLI FLGSHP

Picard
Scotty
Int. Gen
Boheeka


Vorcha
Dukat
Int. Gen
Klag

AO:SF

Total: 100


I have had some time to plan my manuevers against DS9 on my dinner table. I will start at the DS9 edge of my deployment zone. Dukat will start at the corner on the map's edge and Picard will be at the other corner; both are facing the map's edge that DS9 is adjacent to (flying parallel to my starting edge). Both will start with a lazy 3 and sensor echo; Dukat will sensor echo closer to DS9 and Picard will Sensor echo away; both sensor echos will move them closer to the map's edge. This will allow Picard to Target Lock DS9 and then move out of its range. Dukat will then be in position to do a straight 3 the next turn to just be within Range 2 of DS9. This movement also keeps me away from my opponent. This way I may be able to stay out of range of them on turn 2 so I can focus on DS9.

Here's an action summary


Turn 1:

Dukat:

1. Cloak (Ship)
2. Sensor Echo (AO:SF)

End Phase: Decloak

Picard:

1. Target Lock DS9 (Picard)
2. Cloak (Flagship)
3. Sensor Echo (Ship)

End Phase: Decloak

Turn 2:

Dukat:

1. Beam Klag to DS9 (ship)
2. Battle Stations (Dukat)

Picard:

1. Scotty (ship)
2. Battle Stations (Picard)
3. Cloak (Flagship)


Use AO:SF for either Sensor Echo to move Picard back out of range of enemy; to give one of the ships an evade token; or give Dukat a Target Lock on DS9

If DS9 is contested, then I am committed to destroy it; and likely will. Beaming Klag over guarantees that I get to fire at DS9 before it does.

If DS9 is not contested, then I have to make a decision to blow it up or not; if I think opponent will try to take DS9 then I blow it up.


One thing that may be interesting is an opposing fleet that is intent on taking DS9. Since I will have it Target Locked on turn 1 and make my intentions of destroying it known; what will they do? If they take DS9 on turn one, will they try to beam back; or will they think they will still get a shot against me from DS9? (I will be going directly into a pylon's firing arc). But they may not realize the my Klag will be a sacrifice I intend to use to tie up DS9. Or they may abbandon DS9 and I may be able to take it with just Klag.

Thoughts?

Just be careful going for the station on turn 2. There are several ways now, that did not exist in OP1, to get extra moves. We now have the Romulan pilot, transwarp drive, and flagship. So if your opponent goes for it on turn 1 you could be looking down the barrel of their fleet plus the station. The station could make quick work of that battleship.


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Also double check that your venue is still allowing the Admirals Orders. They were only supposed to be for January & February at first and then wizkids said after that they should only be used "occasionally". Ultimately it is up to the TO, but I know that many places have banned them going forward.