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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 02:41:05
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take perscribed drug
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/24/21117142-shackled-and-pregnant-wis-case-challenges-fetal-protection-law?lite
Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law
By Daniella Silva, NBC News
When Alicia Beltran was 12 weeks pregnant, she took herself to a health clinic about a mile from her home in Jackson, Wis., for a prenatal checkup. But what started as a routine visit ended with Beltran eventually handcuffed and shackled in government custody – and at the center of a first-of-its-kind federal lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of a state’s fetal protection law.
On July 2, Beltran, 28, met with a physician’s assistant at West Bend Clinic at Saint Joseph’s Hospital in West Bend, Wis., for her prenatal visit. When asked to detail her medical history, Beltran admitted a past struggle with the painkiller Percocet. But that was all behind her, Beltran said: She had been taking Suboxone, a drug used to treat Percocet dependency. Lacking health insurance and unable to afford the medication, Beltran had used an acquaintance’s prescription and self-administered the drug in decreasing doses. She had taken her last dose a few days before her prenatal visit.
According to Beltran, the physician’s assistant recommended she renew her use of Suboxone under a doctor’s supervision. After Beltran declined, she said she was asked to take a drug test, which was negative for all substances except Suboxone.
Two weeks later, a social worker visited Beltran at home and told her that she needed to continue Suboxone treatment under the care of a physician, said Beltran, who again declined. Two days later, Beltran found police officers at her home, who arrested and handcuffed her.
According to the police report, the officers took Beltran to a hospital, where she underwent a doctor’s exam. Her pregnancy was found to be healthy and normal, her lawyers say. Police then took her to Washington County Jail to await a hearing – hours later, she was led into a courtroom, handcuffed and shackled at the ankles, where a county judge ordered her to spend 90 days in a drug treatment center.
“Alicia had no idea she was giving information to the physician’s assistant that would ultimately be used against her in a court of law,” said Linda Vanden Heuvel of Germantown, Wis., one of Beltran’s attorneys. “She should not have to fear losing her liberty because she was pregnant and she was honest with her doctor.”
At the hearing, her lawyers say, the judge told Beltran that an attorney would not be provided for her at that time but that she could seek counsel for her next hearing in the case. And yet, a lawyer had been appointed to represent her fetus. “It’s wrong that an unborn child gets an attorney but Alicia Beltran, the mother of that unborn child did not,” said Vanden Heuvel.
Emails and phone calls to Family Court Commissioner Dolores Bomrad and her office were not returned. Assistant District Attorney of Washington County Mandy Schepper declined to comment on the case.
At the center of Beltran’s case is a 1997 Wisconsin law that grants courts authority over the fetus of any pregnant woman who “habitually lacks self-control” with drugs and alcohol “to a severe degree” such that there is “substantial risk” to the unborn child. Beltran’s lawyers argue that she was not using any controlled substances at the time of her arrest.
In a petition filed in U.S. District Court in Milwaukee -- the first federal challenge of an arrest of a pregnant woman under such a statute – her lawyers claim that Beltran’s constitutional rights were violated in numerous ways. The language of the Wisconsin statute is vague and lacking in medical terminology, they argue, leaving too much room for speculation. Further, they say the statute fails to guarantee due process, as well as violates other rights, including privacy and physical liberty.
In cases like Beltran’s, “the woman loses pretty much every constitutional right we associate with personhood,” said Lynn Paltrow, executive director of the National Advocates for Pregnant Women and a co-counsel in Beltran’s case.
Experts say that criminal prosecutions of pregnant women, as well as forced drug or psychiatric treatment, have been on the rise in recent years in cases of suspected substance abuse, especially as some states adopt laws granting rights, or “personhood,” to fetuses.
National Advocates for Pregnant Women released a study this year showing that from 1973-2005, 413 pregnant women in 44 states were arrested or forced into treatment. Since 2005, there were an additional 300 cases. But these statistics are likely a substantial undercount, Paltrow said, since many of the proceedings happen behind closed doors.
As of this year, 17 states consider substance abuse during pregnancy to be child abuse under child-welfare statutes, according to a report by the Guttmacher Institute. Three of those states, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and South Dakota, allow pregnant women to be forced into mental health or substance abuse treatment facilities.
Other states have applied criminal charges such as delivery of drugs to a minor or fetal homicide under the same circumstances. And at least 38 states have “feticide” laws on the books, which define fetuses as persons in homicide or manslaughter cases. While these laws are often applied to cases involving violence against pregnant women, they have also been used to prosecute expectant mothers accused of killing a viable fetus.
Supporters of these laws say they are intended to protect unborn children. “Child abuse is child abuse, whether it’s in the womb or out of it,” said Jennifer Mason, communication director for Personhood USA, a non-profit organization seeking personhood status for fetuses. Advocates of fetal personhood claimed a victory in January when the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the inclusion of unborn children in that state’s child endangerment statute.
Some experts argue that prosecuting pregnant women can ultimately put fetuses at risk, especially when healthcare providers and social workers are the ones reporting women to authorities. There is evidence indicating that women who fear criminal charges or other state intervention are less likely to seek medical care or be honest with their doctors, said Kenneth De Ville, a medical humanities professor at East Carolina University in Greenville, N.C., who published a study on the Wisconsin law. “Prenatal care is really the best thing you can do to enhance fetal health,” he said. “And you’re driving women away from prenatal care.”
The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has argued that women who seek prenatal care should not be exposed to criminal or civil penalties and calls for expanded and affordable alcohol and drug treatment services for pregnant women.
Mason said she agrees that women should be given professional treatment before state intervention, but that when there is clear evidence of fetal harm, criminal charges are often appropriate. “It’s a very fine line. The medical professional has to be aware of what puts babies in danger,” she said. “I do not think a pregnant woman’s freedoms should be taken away, but child abuse cases are child abuse cases and have to be treated the same way as a newborn in the home.”
For Beltran, the consequences of her case have hit hard. Her family struggled to visit her regularly during her stint at Casa Clare Women’s Facility in Appleton, Wis., a two-hour drive from her home. After being away from work for an extended period, Beltran lost her job in the food service industry, according to her lawyers. She was released earlier this month, but with the case still open, she is still at risk of being taken into custody or ordered into further treatment, Paltrow said.
Beltran was scheduled for a trial in a Washington County court on Oct. 29. If she is found guilty under the Wisconsin law, the court could order her into counseling, supervision by a social service agency, or mandatory drug treatment, and could terminate her parental rights once her child is born. But the trial has been removed from the court calendar -- county witnesses were unavailable on the given date, and a judge recused himself for being familiar with the witnesses, Beltran’s lawyers said -- and no new date has been set.
“[Beltran’s] happy about this baby and having a child, but she doesn’t know what’s going to happen,” Vanden Heuvel said. She added that in a recent conversation, Beltran, who is due in mid-January, told her, “This is my first pregnancy ever, and I just haven’t been able to enjoy it.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 02:51:39
Subject: Re:Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take proscribed drug
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I don't believe this is the first case of this type (maybe the first suit against it). I vaguely remember a similar case (a pregant woman attempted suicide and lived, was charged with attempted murder... something like that. I'll see if I can find it).
In any event, I think fetal protection laws are well-intentioned but very problematic - as this is written, she appears to have been reduced from a woman to simply the caretaker for a womb.
(edit. I found it. You can read about it here, and she actually pled out just 3 months ago. I hope you consider this as an interesting complement to your story, I'm not trying to threadjack you.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 03:14:35
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take proscribed drug
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Why America spends so much time an effort on abortion (and related issues) when there are so many more pressing issues with global ramifications just astounds me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 03:19:47
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take proscribed drug
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Whatever happened to Doctor Patient Confidentiality?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 03:29:39
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take proscribed drug
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There have always been limitations to that; speaking generally. Some examples are psychiatrists must follow up if you state you will hurt yourself or someone else, and doctors are mandatory reporters, i.e.e f they suspect abuse they are required to report it regardless of the confidentiality of the patient.
Similar to that, there are ways to pierce the veil of lawyer-client confidentiality as well, though we won't get into specifics; as it's simply enough to know that it's not absolute.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 03:30:16
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take proscribed drug
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◾Criminal liability: this pertains mostly to psychiatric care. If a patient tells the psychiatrist about having committed a crime or that they are thinking about committing one, the psychiatrist may be compelled to report it to the authorities. Psychiatrists will not always report it because they want the patient to express everything freely.
◾Harmful Action: Although doctors are typically restricted from breaking patient confidentiality, doctors are also restricted from causing harm to others. If a patient’s actions would cause harm to others, the doctor may be compelled to break the privilege. The most common occurrence of this exception is when a patient has HIV or other sexually transmitted disease wishes to have unprotected sex with partners who have no knowledge of the patient’s condition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 03:36:02
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take proscribed drug
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Why America spends so much time an effort on abortion (and related issues) when there are so many more pressing issues with global ramifications just astounds me.
This isn't just about abortion -- I'll grant that you have to have some sympathy with a fetus as a person under the law (so a related issue) to buy into it at all, however. But if you do, the question is also about drug-abusing pregnant women. Does not exist according to the Federal courts and is varies state by state. It seems in Wisconsin that there may not be any privilege concerning pregnancy, which given the existence of the law at issue does not surprise me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 03:39:46
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take proscribed drug
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She wasnt abusing drugs though. It was shown she was no longer doing that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 03:41:09
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take proscribed drug
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Sure -- this law was written to be very broad and seems aimed at abortion by way of "fetal rights."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 07:25:48
Subject: Re:Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take proscribed drug
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Ouze wrote:I don't believe this is the first case of this type (maybe the first suit against it). I vaguely remember a similar case (a pregant woman attempted suicide and lived, was charged with attempted murder... something like that. I'll see if I can find it).
In any event, I think fetal protection laws are well-intentioned but very problematic - as this is written, she appears to have been reduced from a woman to simply the caretaker for a womb.
(edit. I found it. You can read about it here, and she actually pled out just 3 months ago. I hope you consider this as an interesting complement to your story, I'm not trying to threadjack you.)
Yeah, that does compliment it, in a depressing sort of way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 07:31:07
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take perscribed drug
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If I understood the report correctly, the woman is being prosecuted by the state of Wisconsin, not by the government of the USA.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 07:36:08
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take perscribed drug
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This is absurd. Fetus' don't have rights, they're not alive. fething people and government getting involved in things they have no fething business being involved in, shocker.
"In cases like Beltran’s, “the woman loses pretty much every constitutional right we associate with personhood,” said Lynn Paltrow, executive director of the National Advocates for Pregnant Women and a co-counsel in Beltran’s case."
Are you fething serious. Really? Y'know what, screw it, don't want to live on this planet anymore.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 07:57:21
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take perscribed drug
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So they wanted her to take a drug she had already weaned herself off of in order to reduce her dependency on the drug the drug she had already completed a course of would reduce her dependency on? :confused:
Do mothers who have been caught speeding in the past have to go on a speed awareness course before they can have their 12 week scan or they get thrown in jail?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 09:12:21
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take perscribed drug
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 09:57:50
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take perscribed drug
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Would you be okay with me selling them over the internet?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 10:03:52
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take perscribed drug
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Fetal material is used for medical research purposes within an agreed ethical and legal framework.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 10:31:15
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take perscribed drug
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Seaward wrote:
Would you be okay with me selling them over the internet?
Wouldn't give a damn, tbh. They are not alive and they are useful for medical research. Stem cells and all.
Staying on topic: The length they go to protect a fetus seem to border on the extreme. Imprisoned because she refused to take a drug when everything was perfectly normal and going well? Ridiculous.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 11:17:31
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take proscribed drug
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Under the ACA hope and change killed it. Seriously. You have no expectation of privacy if you use their website. If you don't have corporate insurance you have to use their website. George Orwell had nothing on the US government.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 11:35:40
Subject: Re:Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take perscribed drug
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You forgot to work Zimmerman in there too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 11:51:14
Subject: Re:Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take perscribed drug
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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And Godwin. We need more Zimmerwin'd in this thread.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 12:09:15
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take perscribed drug
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Woa, she was arrested for NOT taking a potentially harmful drug when everything was going fine?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 12:18:09
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Why America spends so much time an effort on abortion (and related issues) when there are so many more pressing issues with global ramifications just astounds me.
We need a task force to prepare for the drop-bear invasion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 12:54:40
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take proscribed drug
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Frazzled wrote:
Under the ACA hope and change killed it. Seriously. You have no expectation of privacy if you use their website. If you don't have corporate insurance you have to use their website. George Orwell had nothing on the US government.
So yes, a Wisconsin law that allows for the locking up pregnant women for not taking drugs can, in fact, be blamed on Obama, if you reach far enough. Glad we've answered that question.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 13:21:48
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Considering she's a crackhead, she'd be locked up or dead for something. Don't get high and mighty.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 13:45:30
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Several issues: 1) Patient-Provider confidentiality: There are many areas where a health-care provider is considered a mandatory reporter and is required by law to report certain events to the authorities. I have to call Child Protective Services, Adult Protective Services, and/or law enforcement on a regular basis based on what I find out during my interaction with patients. Not notifying authorities that you have a patient who admitted to prescription drug abuse during the first 3 months of pregnancy would be a liability of the provider. 2) Buprenorphine (aka: Suboxone): Is a Schedule III synthetic-opiod. So not only admit to prescription drug abuse during the first 12 weeks of her pregnancy, but she also abused a narcotic. It doesn't matter that she broke the law by obtaining a controlled substance in order to wean herself off of it, she still broke the law and took a controlled substance without a valid prescription and without a physicians supervision while pregnant. Just one more reason why the provider had to report her. This case is really no different than having a pregnant women walking into her appointment and telling the lady "Hey, I did crack for the last 12 weeks. But I weaned myself off of it so I don't need any further treatment to protect my child, pinkie promise."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 13:45:46
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She's not a crackhead. Percocet is is a far cry from painkillers.
Overall this is disgusting, and your friendly reminder to say nothing to nobody about anything. All she had to do was keep her mouth shut and she, and her baby would have been fiiiiiiiiiine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 13:52:21
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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KalashnikovMarine wrote:She's not a crackhead. Percocet is is a far cry from painkillers.
Overall this is disgusting, and your friendly reminder to say nothing to nobody about anything. All she had to do was keep her mouth shut and she, and her baby would have been fiiiiiiiiiine.
Percocet is a major painkiller. What the feth are you talking about? They give percocet to people dying of cancer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 14:09:22
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take perscribed drug
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Hallowed Canoness
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*Percocet is a far cry from cocaine
Sorry coffee has yet to kick in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 14:11:11
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take perscribed drug
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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d-usa wrote:Several issues:
1) Patient-Provider confidentiality: There are many areas where a health-care provider is considered a mandatory reporter and is required by law to report certain events to the authorities. I have to call Child Protective Services, Adult Protective Services, and/or law enforcement on a regular basis based on what I find out during my interaction with patients. Not notifying authorities that you have a patient who admitted to prescription drug abuse during the first 3 months of pregnancy would be a liability of the provider.
2) Buprenorphine (aka: Suboxone): Is a Schedule III synthetic-opiod. So not only admit to prescription drug abuse during the first 12 weeks of her pregnancy, but she also abused a narcotic. It doesn't matter that she broke the law by obtaining a controlled substance in order to wean herself off of it, she still broke the law and took a controlled substance without a valid prescription and without a physicians supervision while pregnant. Just one more reason why the provider had to report her.
This case is really no different than having a pregnant women walking into her appointment and telling the lady "Hey, I did crack for the last 12 weeks. But I weaned myself off of it so I don't need any further treatment to protect my child, pinkie promise."
"Two weeks later, a social worker visited Beltran at home and told her that she needed to continue Suboxone treatment under the care of a physician, said Beltran, who again declined."
If it was like her being a Crack-head, then they were telling her to continue being a crack head OR ELSE. Plus, making such a huge incentive to lie to your doctor is a great idea.
There is also the fact she was denied a lawyer in her hearing. Oh, and (from the NYT):
Two days later, the sheriffs arrived to take her to the county jail and the initial hearing. The case against Ms. Beltran was bolstered by the statement of Dr. Angela Breckenridge, an obstetrician at the West Bend Clinic South at St. Joseph’s Hospital.
In a letter dated July 16, Dr. Breckenridge said that Ms. Beltran had “openly admitted” taking opiates during pregnancy and was still using Suboxone.
“She exhibits lack of self-control and refuses the treatment we have offered her,” wrote Dr. Breckenridge, who, according to Ms. Beltran, had not personally met or examined her. She recommended “a mandatory inpatient drug treatment program or incarceration,” adding, “The child’s life depends on action in this case.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 14:21:26
Subject: Pregnant woman imprisoned under "fetal protection act" because she refused to take perscribed drug
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Maddermax wrote: "Two weeks later, a social worker visited Beltran at home and told her that she needed to continue Suboxone treatment under the care of a physician, said Beltran, who again declined." You have been abusing narcotics without a valid prescription. You have the option to voluntarily choose to see a physician and be properly weaned off the drug you have been abusing and to make sure that you do not relapse and start abusing narcotics again like you did during the first 3 months of your pregnancy. If it was like her being a Crack-head, then they were telling her to continue being a crack head OR ELSE. It was like her being a Crack-head, then they were telling her to make sure she is properly weaned off the drug OR ELSE. Plus, making such a huge incentive to lie to your doctor is a great idea. You can choose not to tell your doctor. But of course when your drug screen comes back positive you are still going to get a visit from Child Protective Services. Of course if you are hiding all of this you are just going to go home from the hospital without your child once it comes to light anyway. And at the time of the visit she has been "clean" a couple of days. That is not being "clean" in any sense of the word when it comes to drug abuse.
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