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 Sir Arun wrote:
Two Space Marine codices after the release of the original Dawn of War and they still havent made it into the codex proper.


As a Black Templars player, I'm going to go ahead and tell you to sod off.

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Funnily enough, they have a painted model in the codex, which is as much representation as Iron Hands got in the 5th ed book!

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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
xruslanx wrote:
Blood Ravens are non-codex anyway. No devastators, or sternguard/vanguard.


They use devastators and veterans. Which you can see in dawn of war 2 with Veteran coloring on the Marines backing Tarkus, and Avitus who is a Devastator Sargent. They are very much a codex based chapter with these exceptions below.

However the main differences is that they use librarians in nearly all positions, not uncommon to find Librarian-Captains, librarians in command of starships, outposts, and 1st company has several squads comprised entirely of Librarians, and even their Chapter Masters used to also be the Chief Librarian, though broken with Gabriel in charge now.

Along with the Ordo Psykana, which is basically a hidden group of librarians and servitors that basically recover archeotech and knowledge.

If they were represented though, their psykers would also be given Divination, due to their strong future sight and warp planning.


And this is why it wasn't made official. Serious fanfic vibe right there. Librarian squads? With Divination?


Yes because in the world of 40k, where we have Space Wolves who intentionally attack Inquisitors, tell everyone to off, attacked those who accused them of heresy and had a war about it yet were immediately forgiven, who have the best of everything and everyone who have librarians that were exempt 'because', how they are looked up too by everyone they save despite being ferocious drunks who fight alot but yet are still the saviors of everyone...

Having librarian squads and divination like the thousand sons is REALLY FANFIC!



It's hard to say anything is fanfic when you've got Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and a few other chapters lining up for 'Mary-Sue' role.

Also they are official, they were indeed in the codex they just didn't get any official rules, but as they were mentioned in the codex's and shown, that means they are indeed an Official chapter.


Yeah, I don't buy the librarian squads. GW outright said "Blood Angels have more Librarians than any other chapter" when they did the previous BA book with Libby Dreads. If ANYONE is fielding Libby squads, it would be BA, not the Ravens.


Which is a retcon, like they usually do for most things.

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Well the reasoning for my thread was that so many successor chapters were introduced and given half-page worths of fluff + marine representing color scheme that I had never heard of before.

E.g. the Genesis Chapter, Aurora Chapter, Sons of Orar, Iron Snakes, Novamarines, Black Consuls, Scythes of the Emperor, Doom Legion, Eagle Warriors, Howling Griffons, Silver Skulls, Praetors of Orpheus, Mortifactors, Hawk Lords, Storm Lords, Dark Hunters, Iron Knights, Hammers of Dorn, Invaders, Revilers, Knights of the Raven, Brazen Claws, Iron Lords, Sons of Medusa, Exorcists, Death Spectres, Fire Lords and Mentors.

So I had figured they could dedicate a similar half page to the Blood Ravens and was surprised that it was not to be so.

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Not even going to read past the first post.

Blood Ravens are Relics in world fluff baby. GW just isn't writing fluff about then because the don't want to play with Relics idea for there chapter. They got a line in the new Codex, that more then enough. Plus ask your self do you really want GW writing fluff for the Blood Ravens, because that what you are really asking for.

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No, I never said anything about GW writing new fluff for them.

Relic has written the fluff already, I merely wanted GW to "officially" summarize it as part of the SM codex for an OCD fanboy like me to get that sense of official approval. There's enough fluff to fill out half a page easily, and it wouldnt disturb the route Relic wants to go with the chapter in the future in terms of new fluff in any way. See my last post for the reason behind my point - I often felt bewildered reading through the fluff of ALL those chapters mentioned, something that had never been undertaken in a previous SM codex and was more something you would find in various supplementary books or the Lexicanum website. Now that all that has made it into the codex, I wondered why the Ravens didnt get that same fluff summary treatment.

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Easiest way to make blood ravens: Grab all the wargear from every codex and allow every character in the army to randomly roll randomly for one.

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I prefer to sit back, and be happy with "2-3 companies of Blood Ravens + 1 PDF decimated a hive fleet by themselves though strategic planning and heroic deeds" fluff

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As the product of licensing, however, the Blood Ravens qualify as step-children in that analogy.

   
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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Having librarian squads and divination like the thousand sons is REALLY FANFIC!

You are mostly right, but I cannot let this one pass: the Thousand Sons are extremely proficient in the arts of Divination, specially the Corvidae. The most powerful Corvidae is Ahriman.

To represent this, the Thousand Sons and Ahriman DO NOT have access to Divination. It would be funny if the Blood Ravens get Divination to represent the possibility that they are Corvidae who remained loyal.


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 da001 wrote:
 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Having librarian squads and divination like the thousand sons is REALLY FANFIC!

You are mostly right, but I cannot let this one pass: the Thousand Sons are extremely proficient in the arts of Divination, specially the Corvidae. The most powerful Corvidae is Ahriman.

To represent this, the Thousand Sons and Ahriman DO NOT have access to Divination. It would be funny if the Blood Ravens get Divination to represent the possibility that they are Corvidae who remained loyal.



Don't remind me, it's just another failing of the Kellydex after all.

I guess I should have said "Like the Thousand Sons should've had" instead.
   
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 Sir Arun wrote:
No, I never said anything about GW writing new fluff for them.

Relic has written the fluff already, I merely wanted GW to "officially" summarize it as part of the SM codex for an OCD fanboy like me to get that sense of official approval. There's enough fluff to fill out half a page easily, and it wouldnt disturb the route Relic wants to go with the chapter in the future in terms of new fluff in any way. See my last post for the reason behind my point - I often felt bewildered reading through the fluff of ALL those chapters mentioned, something that had never been undertaken in a previous SM codex and was more something you would find in various supplementary books or the Lexicanum website. Now that all that has made it into the codex, I wondered why the Ravens didnt get that same fluff summary treatment.



That is because they, wait for it.... want you to buy the video game for the fluff, just like they want you to buy books from BL for the fluff. Sure you know the story, it does mean every body does and maybe they like to discover the story for themselves.

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 zephoid wrote:
Easiest way to make blood ravens: Grab all the wargear from every codex and allow every character in the army to randomly roll randomly for one.


Blood Magpies

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Blood_Ravens#Blood_Magpies (Foul Language)

Stealing everything that isn't bolted(ered) down in the galaxy. Just steal some other chapters fluff. It'd be setting appropriate.

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I think 'Hate' is a bit of a strong word to use.

The 40K universe is vast. There will always be some part of it that a small group of fans enjoy immensely that GW does not feel warrants further support. Other media be it Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel or DC have the same arguments. Either characters or small parts of their worlds that get no official attention.

Personally I think it just gives you more scope to expand without the limits of canon (if you worry about conflicting with canon that is). Enjoy what you have.

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The short answer why GW doesn't give Blood Ravens a bigger "push" is because GW already has Red Marines (Blood Angels) to sell you.

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
The short answer why GW doesn't give Blood Ravens a bigger "push" is because GW already has Red Marines (Blood Angels) to sell you.


Actually I'm quite sure if they could, they would sell you more Red Marines if they decided they wanted to sell more of their painting kit.
   
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 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
But the Blood Ravens are kinda silly, just like most fan fiction chapters end up being. Special Snowflake syndrome.


And the Ultramarines are not special snowflakes? Blood Angels? Space Wolves?

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 Sir Arun wrote:
Two Space Marine codices after the release of the original Dawn of War and they still havent made it into the codex proper. I believe the 6th edition codex did mention their name at one page, which is probably the furthest GW has ever gone into adopting a video game's material into their "official" codex canon, but damn.

The Blood Ravens are an awesome chapter and certainly have a big fanbase by now to no longer ignore them, unless GW does so on purpose.

In the 6th edition codex they added a metric crapton of insignificant chapters most of us have never heard of, but hey, the Blood Ravens get no section for themselves. Not even in the unknown founding section, where 2 pages dedicated to them would have made all the difference. I'm not asking for Blood Ravens Chapter Tactics since they arent a first founding Legion, but let's be honest here. The Blood Ravens have accumulated enough history over the course of 6 video games to easily fill out 2 pages worth of pure fluff. From their unknown founding to ample amount of psykers to the exterminatus of Cyrene to the Tatratus, Kronus and Kaurava campaigns all the way to the defense of subsector Aurelia from the Tyranid invasion and subsequent Chaos incursion and eventual ascension of Gabriel Angelos to Chapter Master. Heck, just like the Crimson Fists got their own chapter master, I think Gabe could have been introduced as a new IC in the 6th ed dex as well. Months went into the development of the new SM codex I am sure...and they couldnt dedicated a couple hours to creating his character and rules? I'd give him a master-crafted daemon hammer, Iron Halo and 6" bubble of raising LD of nearby squads to 9 if it wasnt higher; otherwise nothing special. Would have definitely been awesome.

So yeah...why does GW disregard the Blood Ravens?


Look, I'm going to be frank, this kind of whining for fluff by the Bloody Magpie fandboys gets annoying. I've seen this on some other sites, and it's never justified. The Blood Ravens have their games, and that's where they should stay considering they don't fit too well with the proper chapters, and there are simply so many other Chapters that deserve their own special rules that still haven't had a large dedication to them. The new codex rules are for the major Chapters that really stand out from the others, like the Black Templars, or the uniqueness of the major first founding chapters that are successors of the original legions, are the ones that deserve their rulesets. Blood Ravens aren't special besides having a higher concentration of Librarians, and that's where their remarkability ends. Meanwhile there's far more unique Chapters like the Black Dragons, Space Sharks, Minotaurs, and Raptors are much more in deserving unique rules, especially considering the Blood Ravens needed rules boil down to being able to cheaper librarians, and that's it.

I just get tired when the fanboys of the Bloody Magpies want their special snowflakes pushed into the codex, when they don't really need any special rules as it is and aren't a big part of W40K outside of the videogames in the first place.

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Meanwhile there's far more unique Chapters like the Black Dragons, Space Sharks, Minotaurs, and Raptors are much more in deserving unique rules, especially considering the Blood Ravens needed rules boil down to being able to cheaper librarians, and that's it.

Half of those have Forgeworld Chapter Tactics now, they also have a bunch more.


I just get tired when the fanboys of the Bloody Magpies want their special snowflakes pushed into the codex, when they don't really need any special rules as it is and aren't a big part of W40K outside of the videogames in the first place.


So you would prefer your own special snowflake chapters pushed in over another, fine we get it, no need to tear down someone elses arguments to bring up your own special snowflakes.
   
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 Furyou Miko wrote:
GW hates the Blood Ravens because they're a successor chapter to the Thousand Sons, which GW also hates. :p


I was going to say that as well.

Seems pretty obvious now when you think about it.

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 Wyzilla wrote:
 Sir Arun wrote:
Two Space Marine codices after the release of the original Dawn of War and they still havent made it into the codex proper. I believe the 6th edition codex did mention their name at one page, which is probably the furthest GW has ever gone into adopting a video game's material into their "official" codex canon, but damn.

The Blood Ravens are an awesome chapter and certainly have a big fanbase by now to no longer ignore them, unless GW does so on purpose.

In the 6th edition codex they added a metric crapton of insignificant chapters most of us have never heard of, but hey, the Blood Ravens get no section for themselves. Not even in the unknown founding section, where 2 pages dedicated to them would have made all the difference. I'm not asking for Blood Ravens Chapter Tactics since they arent a first founding Legion, but let's be honest here. The Blood Ravens have accumulated enough history over the course of 6 video games to easily fill out 2 pages worth of pure fluff. From their unknown founding to ample amount of psykers to the exterminatus of Cyrene to the Tatratus, Kronus and Kaurava campaigns all the way to the defense of subsector Aurelia from the Tyranid invasion and subsequent Chaos incursion and eventual ascension of Gabriel Angelos to Chapter Master. Heck, just like the Crimson Fists got their own chapter master, I think Gabe could have been introduced as a new IC in the 6th ed dex as well. Months went into the development of the new SM codex I am sure...and they couldnt dedicated a couple hours to creating his character and rules? I'd give him a master-crafted daemon hammer, Iron Halo and 6" bubble of raising LD of nearby squads to 9 if it wasnt higher; otherwise nothing special. Would have definitely been awesome.

So yeah...why does GW disregard the Blood Ravens?


Look, I'm going to be frank, this kind of whining for fluff by the Bloody Magpie fandboys gets annoying. I've seen this on some other sites, and it's never justified. The Blood Ravens have their games, and that's where they should stay considering they don't fit too well with the proper chapters, and there are simply so many other Chapters that deserve their own special rules that still haven't had a large dedication to them. The new codex rules are for the major Chapters that really stand out from the others, like the Black Templars, or the uniqueness of the major first founding chapters that are successors of the original legions, are the ones that deserve their rulesets. Blood Ravens aren't special besides having a higher concentration of Librarians, and that's where their remarkability ends. Meanwhile there's far more unique Chapters like the Black Dragons, Space Sharks, Minotaurs, and Raptors are much more in deserving unique rules, especially considering the Blood Ravens needed rules boil down to being able to cheaper librarians, and that's it.

I just get tired when the fanboys of the Bloody Magpies want their special snowflakes pushed into the codex, when they don't really need any special rules as it is and aren't a big part of W40K outside of the videogames in the first place.


What a trashy post.
   
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Niexist wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 Sir Arun wrote:
Two Space Marine codices after the release of the original Dawn of War and they still havent made it into the codex proper. I believe the 6th edition codex did mention their name at one page, which is probably the furthest GW has ever gone into adopting a video game's material into their "official" codex canon, but damn.

The Blood Ravens are an awesome chapter and certainly have a big fanbase by now to no longer ignore them, unless GW does so on purpose.

In the 6th edition codex they added a metric crapton of insignificant chapters most of us have never heard of, but hey, the Blood Ravens get no section for themselves. Not even in the unknown founding section, where 2 pages dedicated to them would have made all the difference. I'm not asking for Blood Ravens Chapter Tactics since they arent a first founding Legion, but let's be honest here. The Blood Ravens have accumulated enough history over the course of 6 video games to easily fill out 2 pages worth of pure fluff. From their unknown founding to ample amount of psykers to the exterminatus of Cyrene to the Tatratus, Kronus and Kaurava campaigns all the way to the defense of subsector Aurelia from the Tyranid invasion and subsequent Chaos incursion and eventual ascension of Gabriel Angelos to Chapter Master. Heck, just like the Crimson Fists got their own chapter master, I think Gabe could have been introduced as a new IC in the 6th ed dex as well. Months went into the development of the new SM codex I am sure...and they couldnt dedicated a couple hours to creating his character and rules? I'd give him a master-crafted daemon hammer, Iron Halo and 6" bubble of raising LD of nearby squads to 9 if it wasnt higher; otherwise nothing special. Would have definitely been awesome.

So yeah...why does GW disregard the Blood Ravens?


Look, I'm going to be frank, this kind of whining for fluff by the Bloody Magpie fandboys gets annoying. I've seen this on some other sites, and it's never justified. The Blood Ravens have their games, and that's where they should stay considering they don't fit too well with the proper chapters, and there are simply so many other Chapters that deserve their own special rules that still haven't had a large dedication to them. The new codex rules are for the major Chapters that really stand out from the others, like the Black Templars, or the uniqueness of the major first founding chapters that are successors of the original legions, are the ones that deserve their rulesets. Blood Ravens aren't special besides having a higher concentration of Librarians, and that's where their remarkability ends. Meanwhile there's far more unique Chapters like the Black Dragons, Space Sharks, Minotaurs, and Raptors are much more in deserving unique rules, especially considering the Blood Ravens needed rules boil down to being able to cheaper librarians, and that's it.

I just get tired when the fanboys of the Bloody Magpies want their special snowflakes pushed into the codex, when they don't really need any special rules as it is and aren't a big part of W40K outside of the videogames in the first place.


What a trashy post.


Hey, I'd be fine with the Blood Ravens if every forum I went to didn't have a thread wanting them to get special rulesets in the next codex when they're aren't super unique besides having extra rebellions and "obtaining" relics from everyone. Or even something GW's interested in. At best, jot down some special Librarian rulesets and release them as a free one-page PDF addition to the 6th Ed Space Marine Codex.

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 Wyzilla wrote:
Niexist wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 Sir Arun wrote:
Two Space Marine codices after the release of the original Dawn of War and they still havent made it into the codex proper. I believe the 6th edition codex did mention their name at one page, which is probably the furthest GW has ever gone into adopting a video game's material into their "official" codex canon, but damn.

The Blood Ravens are an awesome chapter and certainly have a big fanbase by now to no longer ignore them, unless GW does so on purpose.

In the 6th edition codex they added a metric crapton of insignificant chapters most of us have never heard of, but hey, the Blood Ravens get no section for themselves. Not even in the unknown founding section, where 2 pages dedicated to them would have made all the difference. I'm not asking for Blood Ravens Chapter Tactics since they arent a first founding Legion, but let's be honest here. The Blood Ravens have accumulated enough history over the course of 6 video games to easily fill out 2 pages worth of pure fluff. From their unknown founding to ample amount of psykers to the exterminatus of Cyrene to the Tatratus, Kronus and Kaurava campaigns all the way to the defense of subsector Aurelia from the Tyranid invasion and subsequent Chaos incursion and eventual ascension of Gabriel Angelos to Chapter Master. Heck, just like the Crimson Fists got their own chapter master, I think Gabe could have been introduced as a new IC in the 6th ed dex as well. Months went into the development of the new SM codex I am sure...and they couldnt dedicated a couple hours to creating his character and rules? I'd give him a master-crafted daemon hammer, Iron Halo and 6" bubble of raising LD of nearby squads to 9 if it wasnt higher; otherwise nothing special. Would have definitely been awesome.

So yeah...why does GW disregard the Blood Ravens?


Look, I'm going to be frank, this kind of whining for fluff by the Bloody Magpie fandboys gets annoying. I've seen this on some other sites, and it's never justified. The Blood Ravens have their games, and that's where they should stay considering they don't fit too well with the proper chapters, and there are simply so many other Chapters that deserve their own special rules that still haven't had a large dedication to them. The new codex rules are for the major Chapters that really stand out from the others, like the Black Templars, or the uniqueness of the major first founding chapters that are successors of the original legions, are the ones that deserve their rulesets. Blood Ravens aren't special besides having a higher concentration of Librarians, and that's where their remarkability ends. Meanwhile there's far more unique Chapters like the Black Dragons, Space Sharks, Minotaurs, and Raptors are much more in deserving unique rules, especially considering the Blood Ravens needed rules boil down to being able to cheaper librarians, and that's it.

I just get tired when the fanboys of the Bloody Magpies want their special snowflakes pushed into the codex, when they don't really need any special rules as it is and aren't a big part of W40K outside of the videogames in the first place.


What a trashy post.


Hey, I'd be fine with the Blood Ravens if every forum I went to didn't have a thread wanting them to get special rulesets in the next codex when they're aren't super unique besides having extra rebellions and "obtaining" relics from everyone. Or even something GW's interested in. At best, jot down some special Librarian rulesets and release them as a free one-page PDF addition to the 6th Ed Space Marine Codex.


I don't really care what you'd be "fine" with. I'm not fine with you coming in a friendly forum, and using words like "whining" and "fanboys" to describe people, try holding yourself to a higher standard bud.
   
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Niexist, have an exalt.

on another note, as said GW doesn't make many "Intelligent" choices when it comes to promotion and army advertisement/selling. they simple "make the models". that being said there is a 6 page GW or FW PDF you can find. no rules I don't think. but has some fluff to it.

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Because Plague Marines have the evasion abilities of a drunk elephant.


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 raiden wrote:
Niexist, have an exalt.

on another note, as said GW doesn't make many "Intelligent" choices when it comes to promotion and army advertisement/selling. they simple "make the models". that being said there is a 6 page GW or FW PDF you can find. no rules I don't think. but has some fluff to it.


Depends on the army. They make some good calls at times, although I tend to get the feeling that they're largely distanced from the fanbase and don't seem to realize people like things besides Space Marines. Although hey, could be worse. GW's a lot better than George Lucas as micromanaging your company goes.

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That is true. Still. I would put them near the bottom of the apple barrel on that area. lol

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Because Plague Marines have the evasion abilities of a drunk elephant.


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 Wyzilla wrote:
Niexist wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 Sir Arun wrote:
Two Space Marine codices after the release of the original Dawn of War and they still havent made it into the codex proper. I believe the 6th edition codex did mention their name at one page, which is probably the furthest GW has ever gone into adopting a video game's material into their "official" codex canon, but damn.

The Blood Ravens are an awesome chapter and certainly have a big fanbase by now to no longer ignore them, unless GW does so on purpose.

In the 6th edition codex they added a metric crapton of insignificant chapters most of us have never heard of, but hey, the Blood Ravens get no section for themselves. Not even in the unknown founding section, where 2 pages dedicated to them would have made all the difference. I'm not asking for Blood Ravens Chapter Tactics since they arent a first founding Legion, but let's be honest here. The Blood Ravens have accumulated enough history over the course of 6 video games to easily fill out 2 pages worth of pure fluff. From their unknown founding to ample amount of psykers to the exterminatus of Cyrene to the Tatratus, Kronus and Kaurava campaigns all the way to the defense of subsector Aurelia from the Tyranid invasion and subsequent Chaos incursion and eventual ascension of Gabriel Angelos to Chapter Master. Heck, just like the Crimson Fists got their own chapter master, I think Gabe could have been introduced as a new IC in the 6th ed dex as well. Months went into the development of the new SM codex I am sure...and they couldnt dedicated a couple hours to creating his character and rules? I'd give him a master-crafted daemon hammer, Iron Halo and 6" bubble of raising LD of nearby squads to 9 if it wasnt higher; otherwise nothing special. Would have definitely been awesome.

So yeah...why does GW disregard the Blood Ravens?


Look, I'm going to be frank, this kind of whining for fluff by the Bloody Magpie fandboys gets annoying. I've seen this on some other sites, and it's never justified. The Blood Ravens have their games, and that's where they should stay considering they don't fit too well with the proper chapters, and there are simply so many other Chapters that deserve their own special rules that still haven't had a large dedication to them. The new codex rules are for the major Chapters that really stand out from the others, like the Black Templars, or the uniqueness of the major first founding chapters that are successors of the original legions, are the ones that deserve their rulesets. Blood Ravens aren't special besides having a higher concentration of Librarians, and that's where their remarkability ends. Meanwhile there's far more unique Chapters like the Black Dragons, Space Sharks, Minotaurs, and Raptors are much more in deserving unique rules, especially considering the Blood Ravens needed rules boil down to being able to cheaper librarians, and that's it.

I just get tired when the fanboys of the Bloody Magpies want their special snowflakes pushed into the codex, when they don't really need any special rules as it is and aren't a big part of W40K outside of the videogames in the first place.


What a trashy post.


Hey, I'd be fine with the Blood Ravens if every forum I went to didn't have a thread wanting them to get special rulesets in the next codex when they're aren't super unique besides having extra rebellions and "obtaining" relics from everyone. Or even something GW's interested in. At best, jot down some special Librarian rulesets and release them as a free one-page PDF addition to the 6th Ed Space Marine Codex.


This seemed quite hostile and unwarranted. If I was a "veteran wargammer" before the Dawn of War series, I would welcome the increased interest from the immensely more popular Video Game medium.

You kind of came off as an elitist tabletop player that disregards chapters and lore even if it is more popular then the generic, unheard of "snowflake" chapters that were cited, I would guess that a lot of people would avoid these "elitists" and their unwanted attitude unless they're of the same caste. The Blood Ravens don't have anything unique going for them because they haven't needed to (they're not integral to the codex), that doesn't mean it is set and stone and tbh, would be pretty easy for WG and Relic to collaborate towards, it would take a week to flesh out tops and there are interesting aspects to explore with Archaeology, Secret Order of Psykers and maybe ever throw in some Kleptomania? There have even been hints of interest at WG and Relic working on and writing a future game together, so it's only the elitist fans that really have an issue with it. I reckon if they weren't already so similar to the Blood Angels they may have done it already, who knows, considering the unknown origin of the Primarch they could tie it in as a subsidiary chapter that split from the angels...

But what do I know? I'm just a fan of the lore and universe that got sucked in from the amazingly crafted Dawn of War games by one of the best niche RTS developers.

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I am going to say this now but everyone that has seen my army thinks I am using Blood Angels. I think that kinda indicates what level of uniqueness the Blood Ravens are operating at.

I'd be cool with a supplement but honestly I don't see anything that couldn't be done with a free three page PDF that had new characters and adjusted the FOC. Then again, the Farsight supplement could've been boiled down to three page for what people give a toss about in that book.

In fact, a lot of the variant chapters could be released using a three page pdf. "You are Space Marine except.... you have unit xx... you have special characters... you have chapter tactics xx. You can take this in that FOC slot". So I guess Blood Ravens really could be released as their own codex. They managed to do it with Space Wolves and they don't have too much different about them.

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 TheCustomLime wrote:
... managed to do it with Space Wolves and they don't have too much different about them.


Except that they "eat, sleep, pillage and rape more often", ahaha... Space Wolves will never reach their full viking potential until they conform to the powers of Chaos, then they can do the later two as much as the former two haha.

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