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Oh Brutal Emissary. It's actually a clever little bit of modeling right up until you realize HIS FACE IS PRESSED AGAINST THE BARS. That little bit essentially makes it impossible to paint the prisoner separately very effectively. I was able to do it by keeping the top arm unattached and basically not painting half his face:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Wyrd has issues with prioritizing no undercuts over a sane number of pieces...

Can you blame them? The moment they simplify a mini and leave one blurr-filled undercut zone all they'll hear is nonstop griping about metal minis, and why did they stop making metal minis, and plastic is inferior, and at least resin is a real medium, blah blah bull blah. Malifaux has amazing quality, and at this point a reputation for complex plastic minis that sets them apart. There are plenty of other manufacturers who sell simple easy-fit plastics.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Wyrd has issues with prioritizing no undercuts over a sane number of pieces...

Can you blame them? The moment they simplify a mini and leave one blurr-filled undercut zone all they'll hear is nonstop griping about metal minis, and why did they stop making metal minis, and plastic is inferior, and at least resin is a real medium, blah blah bull blah. Malifaux has amazing quality, and at this point a reputation for complex plastic minis that sets them apart. There are plenty of other manufacturers who sell simple easy-fit plastics.

It's a lot of fiddliness for little payoff compared to metal/resin or simpler design IMO. Most of their humans have the same generic copy/paste face and weird long legs, and they suffer from overly smooth surfaces you basically have to paint the texture on. There's no fething good reason a goblin's mullet should be multiple pieces.

I find the fiddliness to be a positive. Assembly is a delightful puzzle. Not for everyone, of course. That's why Wyrd's "The Other Side" has preassembled models along with a few special edition Malifaux models.

Haven't had the pleasure of messing with the infamous Yan Lo's beard, but the Nightmare Edition boxes of Collette and McCabe have been some of the most fun I've had putting things together.

I've assembled Yan Lo's beard. It's really overrated at this point. The issue is more just than if you don't know its there, you might not even notice it on the sprue. Luckily, infamy has largely resolved that problem.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Can you blame them?

Yes, I can, and do. Easily more than 3/4 of their parts are fine, but some are just impractical, overly small, not worth it, or otherwise poorly planned. There are plenty of times where a slight correction could have made something one fewer pieces, and you can't blame perfectionism, since they do have plenty of weird things with scale or where an angle didn't translate well. They prioritize undercuts and/or not fixing undercuts over fewer pieces, and sometimes I think it's detrimental and unnecessary.

Again, mostly I think it's fine, but sometimes it's just not worth it, especially when a sharp hobby knife and minimal effort could have achieved the same thing on small pieces, for those perfectionists who demand those nice undercuts.

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Wyrd has issues with prioritizing no undercuts over a sane number of pieces...

Can you blame them? The moment they simplify a mini and leave one blurr-filled undercut zone all they'll hear is nonstop griping about metal minis, and why did they stop making metal minis, and plastic is inferior, and at least resin is a real medium, blah blah bull blah. Malifaux has amazing quality, and at this point a reputation for complex plastic minis that sets them apart. There are plenty of other manufacturers who sell simple easy-fit plastics.

It's a lot of fiddliness for little payoff compared to metal/resin or simpler design IMO. Most of their humans have the same generic copy/paste face and weird long legs, and they suffer from overly smooth surfaces you basically have to paint the texture on. There's no fething good reason a goblin's mullet should be multiple pieces.

Au contraire. Not having to deal with metal/resin is the payoff, and it is a huge payoff. The long legs and smooth surfaces are a stylistic choice. They deliver texture when they want to. If you don't like Malifaux minis, there must be thousands of resin or metal minis you can buy if that's your thing.


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 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Can you blame them?

Yes, I can, and do. Easily more than 3/4 of their parts are fine, but some are just impractical, overly small, not worth it, or otherwise poorly planned. There are plenty of times where a slight correction could have made something one fewer pieces, and you can't blame perfectionism, since they do have plenty of weird things with scale or where an angle didn't translate well. They prioritize undercuts and/or not fixing undercuts over fewer pieces, and sometimes I think it's detrimental and unnecessary.

Again, mostly I think it's fine, but sometimes it's just not worth it, especially when a sharp hobby knife and minimal effort could have achieved the same thing on small pieces, for those perfectionists who demand those nice undercuts.

Any specifics come to mind? I just haven't had any Malifaux experiences that were frustrating rather than challenging...yet.

I find them largely great, but I agree that far too often there's a lot of overly flat surfaces that don't paint up that well unless you do a lot of freehand work.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
It's a lot of fiddliness for little payoff compared to metal/resin or simpler design IMO. Most of their humans have the same generic copy/paste face and weird long legs, and they suffer from overly smooth surfaces you basically have to paint the texture on. There's no fething good reason a goblin's mullet should be multiple pieces.

Au contraire. Not having to deal with metal/resin is the payoff, and it is a huge payoff. The long legs and smooth surfaces are a stylistic choice. They deliver texture when they want to. If you don't like Malifaux minis, there must be thousands of resin or metal minis you can buy if that's your thing.

Better than the ridiculously stubby Dorf legs of Warmahordes.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Any specifics come to mind? I just haven't had any Malifaux experiences that were frustrating rather than challenging...yet.

A few models have 4-part heads; there's at least one guild model whose badge is a separate piece; the zombie chihuahua is must hold some sort of record for most pieces by mass; one of the hollow waifs has two bracelets that are separate pieces; a lot of the gremlins have pieces so small and thin that I worry about touching them. Those are some of the ones that come to mind, regarding kits that I believe should have never been designed the way they were.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Any specifics come to mind? I just haven't had any Malifaux experiences that were frustrating rather than challenging...yet.

A few models have 4-part heads; there's at least one guild model whose badge is a separate piece; the zombie chihuahua is must hold some sort of record for most pieces by mass; one of the hollow waifs has two bracelets that are separate pieces; a lot of the gremlins have pieces so small and thin that I worry about touching them. Those are some of the ones that come to mind, regarding kits that I believe should have never been designed the way they were.

Well, I don't buy gremlins or undead minis, so I guess I've been lucky on that score. I'll concede then.

Still sounds better than the old metals to me.

So it's been a while since this threads been updated.

Gencon is approaching, and that means Nightmare and Miss models. Wyrd have previewed them.

Curiosity killed the Cat - Nightmare Hamelin crew who is now a crazy cat lady. Nathan Caroland also confirmed Black Friday will have a 'cat herders' box, which will be an alternate Brotherhood of the Rat box in theme with this.



Miss model is Miss Deed, alternate Taelor.



Plus a store promotion, alternade Mdame Sybelle.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
A few models have 4-part heads; there's at least one guild model whose badge is a separate piece; the zombie chihuahua is must hold some sort of record for most pieces by mass; one of the hollow waifs has two bracelets that are separate pieces; a lot of the gremlins have pieces so small and thin that I worry about touching them. Those are some of the ones that come to mind, regarding kits that I believe should have never been designed the way they were.

Yeah it's so bad my partner won't even bother trying to assemble her stuff anymore - one too many infuriating carpet searches for pieces even smaller than the gates.

I don't even bother putting much effort into the modelling and painting side of the game now, it's just going to break further down the line anyway, with so many fragile pieces. At this point I consider them more like board game miniatures.

On topic, I think the Nightmare Hamelin is pretty entertaining and well thought out, as always. And I really like Miss Deed (Taelor is nice but a bit wonky and trapped in an Outcasts box )

As for MFX models themselves, one of the reasons I've mostly moved on from the game is that I realized I don't like building or painting Wyrd's plastics. I know plenty of people like one or both parts of that, but it was just becoming frustrating for me - frankly it's having to fill SO many gaps and seams that were driving me crazy.

Part of the reason I'm looking forward to TOS is that it's prebuilt, which is a thing I never thought I'd say!

- Salvage

I love Wyrd's models, but there is the odd frustrating experience.(the standing Guild Austringer whose brid's legs are separate pieces and barely align with the grooves on the arm...)

Definitely prefer it to metal or resin, though and I kind of like that it ensures only dedicated hobbyists bother...

Global campaign announced - Homefront

https://www.wyrd-games.net/homefront

Wyrdscapes plastic terrain announced.

http://themostexcellentandawesomeforumever-wyrd.com/topic/133368-wyrdscape-preview/

That looks awesome, although detailed in and out makes me think the price point will be eye watering.

 .Mikes. wrote:
That looks awesome, although detailed in and out makes me think the price point will be eye watering.

Yeah, that's kind of my fear too. Their bases are super expensive for what they are ($10 for one HIPS 50mm base?!).

The piece sure looks sharp though.

These will be perfect for use in a game of Twisted! - looking forward to these.

If, of course, The Price is Right!

It's really frustrating, because Malifaux looks so epic with tall terrain, but every time I get a seriously vertical table (or even central element), I get so aggravated by how terribly the rules support elevation.

Yeah the rules aren't great with elevated terrain.

I'm expecting a higher price point on this. It's pretty big, and Malifaux is on a 3x3 table so it's likely intended as a centrepiece.

As you guys have said, looks stunning, but at what cost?

Wanyudo (read it as way-nude-o at first) looks cool - is he Malifaux or TOS do we know?

We don't know what Wanyudo is for. It's a Yokai (so in Malifaux, an Oni), so that could be Ten Thunders or the upcoming Kimon allegiance for The Other Side.

One annoying thing is the cost will be inflated by being interior detailed but honestly I've found Malifaux is ill-suited for interior combat. With each model only generally getting 2 actions per turn, you don't want to waste those by moving up stairs to get into a building unless it's a safe spot for a scheme or strategy score or it's the fastest way to the other side.

Biggest draw is it's going to be HIPS, which is pretty rare these days with everyone going MDF, PVC/resin or plasticard.

I'd guess the Wanyudou is Malifaux related. Don't think there's any overtly mythological Japanese factions in it.

That begs the question where would it belong? I'd guess Ten Thunders due to the amount of yokai already there, but I could see it fitting in with Rezzers and Neverborn as well...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'd guess the Wanyudou is Malifaux related. Don't think there's any overtly mythological Japanese factions in it.

That begs the question where would it belong? I'd guess Ten Thunders due to the amount of yokai already there, but I could see it fitting in with Rezzers and Neverborn as well...

If it gets the Oni characteristic (which it will being a Yokai) it'll be at least dual faction with Thunders, purely so Asami can use it (similar to Bunraku perhaps?)

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'd guess the Wanyudou is Malifaux related. Don't think there's any overtly mythological Japanese factions in it.

That begs the question where would it belong? I'd guess Ten Thunders due to the amount of yokai already there, but I could see it fitting in with Rezzers and Neverborn as well...

Ten Thunders are Japan/China/Vietnam. They have a fair number of Oni already.

If you mean The Other Side not having a Japanese faction, Wyrd teased 2 at Gencon. The Three Kingdoms (the aforementioned Japan/China/Vietnam) and the Kimon (Oni). The split is because Three Kingdoms belong to Earthside, and the Kimon beling to Malifauxside.

Not sure of any Oni currently belonging to Neverborn. Ressers have Jakuuna Ubume and Outcasts have Ama No Zako, so Ressers or Outcasts is possible if it's a Malifaux model.

 -Loki- wrote:
Biggest draw is it's going to be HIPS, which is pretty rare these days with everyone going MDF, PVC/resin or plasticard.

Eh. Kingdom Death : Monster is all HIPS...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Biggest draw is it's going to be HIPS, which is pretty rare these days with everyone going MDF, PVC/resin or plasticard.

Eh. Kingdom Death : Monster is all HIPS...

I assume Loki meant scenery.

I did.

If I wanted to make a comment on miniatures, outside of a few LE models Malifaux is entirely HIPS as well.