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Shouldn't it be limited to 0-1? Was this an oversight, or just left that way on purpose for fun reasons?

Probably because GW has moved away from 0-1 limits on everything but unique characters, and two chapter masters could represent a variety of fluffy situations involving two characters of that power level on the same battlefield.

To represent chapters that do, in fact, have more than one chapter master. I believe there are some out there but I can't name them off the top of my head.

My only wish is that you could instead take a Chief Librarian instead that wasn't SC's from Forgeworld.

isn't tigurius the chief librarian of the ultrasmurfs ? and with divination and awesome rules there is nothing that stops you from playing him as a primary or ally detachment HQ.

If your army is two different chapters with the same founding chapter.

Makumba wrote:
isn't tigurius the chief librarian of the ultrasmurfs ? and with divination and awesome rules there is nothing that stops you from playing him as a primary or ally detachment HQ.

Unfortunately, only Ultramarines are allowed to field a Chief Librarian in this case.

So you can to counts as or take the main army as what ever type of marine other then ultrasmurfs you want and ally in tigurius and a tactical .

One guy can be chapter master, the other can be a really powerful company captain, preferably first company.

to represent things like master of the fleet, etc who are all of comparable renown and standing.

Because the current mind set is to allow you to play whatever kind of army you want. 2 chapter masters? Why not. 4 heavy choices? Sure, ally with yourself.

Maybe your chapter is like Sparta, and they have two Chapter Masters, much like how Sparta had 2 Kings.

The diumvirate theory is a good one; I know the gentleman over at fightingtigersofveda.com uses that explanation. There's also the possibility that using the Chapter Master statline doesn't make a character literally the Chapter Master of the army, he might be a Captain who's a step above and beyond the norm or a different sort of great hero. There's no rational reason why the Chapter Master has to be the biggest and toughest person in the Chapter unless your Chapter runs on Orkish rank theory.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
To represent chapters that do, in fact, have more than one chapter master. I believe there are some out there but I can't name them off the top of my head.

Yep. Dark Angels are one of them, as are Grey Knights.


Ironically, in the Dark Angel dex, you can't take a chapter master (aside from Azrael, the supreme grand master).

 Haight wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
To represent chapters that do, in fact, have more than one chapter master. I believe there are some out there but I can't name them off the top of my head.

Yep. Dark Angels are one of them, as are Grey Knights.

I don't know much about Grey Knights, but since when do Dark Angels have two Chapter Masters at a given time? What's your source for that?

Also one can take two Chapter Masters from variant second or later foundings to make more sense of this. Like two Ultramarine successors Chapter masters or something.

 Magos Explorator wrote:

 Haight wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
To represent chapters that do, in fact, have more than one chapter master. I believe there are some out there but I can't name them off the top of my head.

Yep. Dark Angels are one of them, as are Grey Knights.

I don't know much about Grey Knights, but since when do Dark Angels have two Chapter Masters at a given time? What's your source for that?

They don't have 2 chapter masters. Neither do grey knights.

 Crevab wrote:

Makumba wrote:
isn't tigurius the chief librarian of the ultrasmurfs ? and with divination and awesome rules there is nothing that stops you from playing him as a primary or ally detachment HQ.

Unfortunately, only Ultramarines are allowed to field a Chief Librarian in this case.

I suppose that, when you are upgrading a librarian to epistolarians, you are actually making a Chief librarian, well is my guess, but a like the idea of make a chief librarian with stats of a capitan: ws5, bs5, w5 and i5 a3, i dont know, that could work, but i am in the train that the chapter master should be limited to 0-1

 arinnoor wrote:
Also one can take two Chapter Masters from variant second or later foundings to make more sense of this. Like two Ultramarine successors Chapter masters or something.

Exactly.

Technically there ARE no GK Chapter Masters, unless you count Draigo. But he doesn't run the chapter, its the conclave of Grand Masters.

Cant say i remember anything about the Dark Angels
Having two Chapter Masters, could you cite evidence at all? Not trying to be an ass, genuinely curious.

The Dark Angels don't have 2 chapter masters, just Azreal.

Technically the Grey Knights have 8 leaders equivalent to a chapter master, and elect one among them to be Supreme Grand Master (currently Draigo by the codex)

The idea of well thought our fluff and background to account for two Chapter Masters is great, it's those that do it with the soul purpose of making an ultra-competitive list that disappoints me. I mean, people can do as they wish, but I'm in the camp that plays for the purposes of total immersion and forging a narrative and all that.

Grey Knights have their own codex.

As mentioned above, it looks there are a few reasons, ranging from removal of 0–1 limits (though this could easily have been brought into 6th edition rules with the 'unique' subtype) to allowing people to field counts-as models with the stats of a Chapter master.

As a 'canon' example of a Chapter with more than one Chapter Master, the White Consuls in Dark Creed have two. In the timespan covered by the novel, one is a crusading charismatic type, and the other a calculating stay-at-home type.

The option in the Codex is there to allow people to make similar arrangements for their own homemade Chapter.

There's nothing in the rules to prevent it. It's like when I take 2 Chaos Lords.

HOWEVER, one point of etiquette. Be very clear at the start of the game which one is your warlord. I played someone recently who used 2 chapter masters to cheat, trying to claim the one I just killed was not the right one. It was very awkward.

 CrashCanuck wrote:

Technically the Grey Knights have 8 leaders equivalent to a chapter master, and elect one among them to be Supreme Grand Master (currently Draigo by the codex)

I think its 8 Grand Masters AND the Chapter Lord/SGM, at least that's how I read it in the Codex. For reference

C: GK Pg 12 wrote:
At this oaken table sit the 8 Grand Masters and the Chapter Lord...

 Apologist wrote:
As mentioned above, it looks there are a few reasons, ranging from removal of 0–1 limits (though this could easily have been brought into 6th edition rules with the 'unique' subtype) to allowing people to field counts-as models with the stats of a Chapter master.

As a 'canon' example of a Chapter with more than one Chapter Master, the White Consuls in Dark Creed have two. In the timespan covered by the novel, one is a crusading charismatic type, and the other a calculating stay-at-home type.

The option in the Codex is there to allow people to make similar arrangements for their own homemade Chapter.

The White Consuls are so Roman that they have a copy of Roman Consuls as their leadership.

It can be fluffy and I like it when your opponent makes it fluffy but watching a guy field two Imperial fist chapter masters, both of which are the same model always makes me sad.
Make one look like a chapter master and one like the ultimate emperor's champion or something, but please make them look different. In anything but apoc even a single chapter master is a little suspect anyway.

 namiel wrote:

 Magos Explorator wrote:

 Haight wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
To represent chapters that do, in fact, have more than one chapter master. I believe there are some out there but I can't name them off the top of my head.

Yep. Dark Angels are one of them, as are Grey Knights.

I don't know much about Grey Knights, but since when do Dark Angels have two Chapter Masters at a given time? What's your source for that?

They don't have 2 chapter masters. Neither do grey knights.

Right, which I was asking Haight what source says they do, as that would be news for me.

Dark Angels don't have Chapter Masters, they have Grand Masters. Their de-facto Chapter Master is Azrael, just with a different title.

RAW each Chapter only has one chapter master. The second Chapter Master is just a decoy.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Dark Angels don't have Chapter Masters, they have Grand Masters. Their de-facto Chapter Master is Azrael, just with a different title.

RAW each Chapter only has one chapter master. The second Chapter Master is just a decoy.

Or it's a chapter master of a successor chapter, someone in rank to Chapter Master etc. The difference for DA is that they all see Azreal as the Grand Master of the entire group, even if they split off a bit.