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There have always been polls such as most favorite Primarch or who is the best fighter etc etc, but I haven't seen one that is about who is the least liked. Always if you can explain why they are the one you like the least.

For me it is going to have to be the Lion, in my eyes he isn't much more than a severely paranoid guy who didn't trust his best friend and decided to him and some other marines home to "train recruits" which was an excuse for their banishment, he ignored all space mail from them and then when he finally decided to go home he bombed them to smithereens. Plus he had massive mood swings which led him to decapitating one of his own guys for pretty much no reason at all (I'm still undecided on whether this is cool or bad writing) which makes him seem like a teenage girl who on their period.

So there is my answer as to who I dislike the most, who is your most disliked Primarch?

Leman Russ, he seems to have the same idealized moral system as, say, Gulliman, but he over reacts and attacks/provokes people to prove a point that didn't need to be proven or fight a battle that never need to be fought. He seems to be a character that had his own code then when the Emperor came and gave him some new information he applied it to his previous upbringing but it didn't blend in a good way in the end. Does he even have his own problems? Because it seems his only real problems in life were the other Primarchs. Everything else he could just use his Primarch powers on to reliably solve.

or something like that.

why so much hate on the lion? sure one or two books had him portrayed badly with bad writing but hey, the guy is pretty awesome.

Fulgrim. His fall was born from doubt. His burning need to be perfect is what drove him to Slaanesh (that and the daemon bound into his sword), but if he had faith that perfection could be reached by mortal hands Slaanesh would have had no hold over his soul. On top of that, Fulgrim's own soul is now trapped in a painting, while some greater daemon got the actual rewards. This makes him incompetent in my mind as well. Finally, the flipping daemon-primarch doesn't DO anything recently either. Magnus at least attacked the Fang, Mortarion has virus bombed a couple of worlds, and Angron had his little jaunt on Armageddon. In short, Fulgrim sucks (bu-dum-tish)

actually didn't fulgrim kick the sht outa that daemon and send him packing eventually?

Fulgrim is probably my second most disliked primarch and you my friend summed up everything there very well. The fact he killed Ferrus too, who was his closest friend out of everyone to really sucks. But there is a bit in the fight scene where he couldn't deliver the final killing blow, his swords moves his arm and decapitates Ferrus for Fulgrim is the only thing that I like about him. But I thought it was stated that Fulgrim managed to get out off the painting?

Yeah, pretty much none of the demon primach do stuff now, the only ones that get done is Angron when he smashed up Armageddon and Magnus when he smashed up the fang. Mortarion just sits on his planet doing nothing, hell didn't a grey knight carve his name onto his heart? Way to make the Demon primach look dull and weak GW

Leman Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuussssss!!!!!!

BaconUprising wrote:
Leman Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuussssss!!!!!!

not going to question that, he beat up Magnus big time and he's my favorite pretty much, but why do you dislike him

oh, brilliant name by the way

Cheers Watch your Bacon carefully... anyway I hate him because he's basically like a WHFB dwarf in space pretending to be a wolf.

Perturabo just edges out lorgar for me, but mainly cause I'm a son of Dorn

Leman Russ. Because 'WOLF WOLF BEER BROTHERKILLING WOLF FANBOYS!!!11'

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Leman Russ. Because 'WOLF WOLF BEER BROTHERKILLING WOLF FANBOYS!!!11'

Wolves re my favourite animals but I still manage to despise Leman Russ...

BaconUprising wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Leman Russ. Because 'WOLF WOLF BEER BROTHERKILLING WOLF FANBOYS!!!11'

Wolves re my favourite animals but I still manage to despise Leman Russ...

Beware, soon it will be evening, and it is then that the Claw-brothers of the Space Wolves Bloodwolf Pack of Wolfriders shall wolf us all, with their mighty bloodclaw wolves!

 thenoobbomb wrote:

BaconUprising wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Leman Russ. Because 'WOLF WOLF BEER BROTHERKILLING WOLF FANBOYS!!!11'

Wolves re my favourite animals but I still manage to despise Leman Russ...

Beware, soon it will be evening, and it is then that the Claw-brothers of the Space Wolves Bloodwolf Pack of Wolfriders shall wolf us all, with their mighty bloodclaw wolves!

where I am the moon is up I can hear the hungry howls of the bloodclaws as they stalk the haters of wolves so be careful...

Ah man, I quite like Perturabo haha

Ferrus Manus. If we go by Forgeworld fluff the guy is borderline psycho and an unashamed fascist, randomly murdering civilians on compliant worlds just to please that foppish bishounen parody of a man that goes by the name of Fulgrim, and for the sake of it.

Really, I don't care how doggedly loyal he says he is, he's only slightly below Curze on the 40k scale of bastardness. Needless to say, I'm glad he ended with his head on a plate, served by his best buddy in genocide Fulgrim, no less.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
Ferrus Manus. If we go by Forgeworld fluff the guy is borderline psycho and an unashamed fascist, randomly murdering civilians on compliant worlds just to please that foppish bishounen parody of a man that goes by the name of Fulgrim, and for the sake of it.

Now that fluff I haven't heard! Where can I read up on that or is that in the Horus heresy rulebooks?

Lorgar. He is a whiner who doesn't get anything done, leads his legion into Chaos because his father told him not to do something (although I will admit that the Emperor acted really stupidly), got manipulated by his own sons, and hasn't left the Eye at all since the Heresy. The fact he destroyed Calth doesn't help his case either.

 raiden wrote:
actually didn't fulgrim kick the sht outa that daemon and send him packing eventually?

Just checked the fluff; yeah. The point still stands that he got out-maneuvered by the daemon and barring the interdiction of Graham McNeill (who wrote the short story that freed him) would still be a pinned to the wall of some warp-dust smoker's den....

I'm quite surprised to see that Leman Russ is actually winning... I knew quite a few people disliked him, but not that he was the most disliked!

 tomball0706 wrote:
I'm quite surprised to see that Leman Russ is actually winning... I knew quite a few people disliked him, but not that he was the most disliked!

He's like marmite. You love him or you hate him (although some people just don't mind which just screws up the system but OH WELL) anyway yeah it's not that everyone hates him it's just that the people who doe dislike him are posting here.

 tomball0706 wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
Ferrus Manus. If we go by Forgeworld fluff the guy is borderline psycho and an unashamed fascist, randomly murdering civilians on compliant worlds just to please that foppish bishounen parody of a man that goes by the name of Fulgrim, and for the sake of it.

Now that fluff I haven't heard! Where can I read up on that or is that in the Horus heresy rulebooks?

Yep, it's on HH2: Massacre, the Iron Hands' "exemplary battle". Basically a simple compliance action turned into a bloodbath and a senseless waste of time and resources thanks to the combined tactical genius of Fulgrim and Ferrus.

But even if you don't own a copy of Massacre, reasons for hating Mr. Hands abound:

- He keeps Medusa in a state of permanent warfare just to put his dumb social darwinist ideas to the test. Cull the weak so that only the strong survive. Ironically, wars have the exact opposite effect on a population - The best of the lot are frequently the first to the fray and, in consequence, the first to die, leaving only cowards and cripples behind to pass their genes.

Amongst the few meekly self-serving cowards that somehow manage to survive the high rates of attrition on Medusa, Mr. Manus finds suitable recruits for the Iron Hands, something that almost every other Primarch seem to do effortlessly without turning their homeworlds into war-torn hellholes. Anyways, I don't think he cares a lot for the quality of his prospective Astartes warriors, as regardless of their disposition he's going to chop off their arms and legs and put them into glorified futuristic versions of stump legs and motorized wheelchairs. What leads us to...

- Not content with just ruling over a world of terrified meeklings, he was set on leading a legion of cripples. His warriors enjoy a superhuman biology, but Manus and his lot believed they'd be better off with a whirring, leaky Blag Mk.I Exploding Leg and an Ipod Shuffle for a brain. For some reason, given command of an entire legion of Astartes Warriors, Manus wasn't happy enough. Perhaps he preferred a couple cohorts of Thallaxi instead.

"The flesh is weak", says Ferrus, something that a baseline human subject to ailments, injury and a limited lifespan (even more limited if he or she had the disgrace of being born in Medusa) would probably agree on, but that seems the epitome of dumb coming from the mouth of a posthuman demigod gifted with a body patterned after that of the Immortal God-Emperor of Mankind himself. Manus was either being an hypocrite or an inexcusable idiot.

- His fetishism for strenght, equal parts fascist banter and gym locker room bravado, is actually very telling. We fetishize the unattainable. Considering he was the first Primarch to bite the dust, thanks in no small part to his apparent overconfidence, leads me to believe that, perhaps, there was an insecure weakling lying behind a carefully cultivated façade of strenght and steely determination.

In all, Ferrus Manus strikes me as the kind of guy that hides his many shortcomings under the guise of brutality and extremism.

BaconUprising wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:
I'm quite surprised to see that Leman Russ is actually winning... I knew quite a few people disliked him, but not that he was the most disliked!

He's like marmite. You love him or you hate him (although some people just don't mind which just screws up the system but OH WELL) anyway yeah it's not that everyone hates him it's just that the people who doe dislike him are posting here.

ah yes, of course, that's a very good point, feel rather foolish for saying it now haha

Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
Ferrus Manus. If we go by Forgeworld fluff the guy is borderline psycho and an unashamed fascist, randomly murdering civilians on compliant worlds just to please that foppish bishounen parody of a man that goes by the name of Fulgrim, and for the sake of it.

Now that fluff I haven't heard! Where can I read up on that or is that in the Horus heresy rulebooks?

Yep, it's on HH2: Massacre, the Iron Hands' "exemplary battle". Basically a simple compliance action turned into a bloodbath and a senseless waste of time and resources thanks to the combined tactical genius of Fulgrim and Ferrus.

But even if you don't own a copy of Massacre, reasons for hating Mr. Hands abound:

- He keeps Medusa in a state of permanent warfare just to put his dumb social darwinist ideas to the test. Cull the weak so that only the strong survive. Ironically, wars have the exact opposite effect on a population - The best of the lot are frequently the first to the fray and, in consequence, the first to die, leaving only cowards and cripples behind to pass their genes.

Amongst the few meekly self-serving cowards that somehow manage to survive the high rates of attrition on Medusa, Mr. Manus finds suitable recruits for the Iron Hands, something that almost every other Primarch seem to do effortlessly without turning their homeworlds into war-torn hellholes. Anyways, I don't think he cares a lot for the quality of his prospective Astartes warriors, as regardless of their disposition he's going to chop off their arms and legs and put them into glorified futuristic versions of stump legs and motorized wheelchairs. What leads us to...

- Not content with just ruling over a world of terrified meeklings, he was set on leading a legion of cripples. His warriors enjoy a superhuman biology, but Manus and his lot believed they'd be better off with a whirring, leaky Blag Mk.I Exploding Leg and an Ipod Shuffle for a brain. For some reason, given command of an entire legion of Astartes Warriors, Manus wasn't happy enough. Perhaps he preferred a couple cohorts of Thallaxi instead.

"The flesh is weak", says Ferrus, something that a baseline human subject to ailments, injury and a limited lifespan (even more limited if he or she had the disgrace of being born in Medusa) would probably agree on, but that seems the epitome of dumb coming from the mouth of a posthuman demigod gifted with a body patterned after that of the Immortal God-Emperor of Mankind himself. Manus was either being an hypocrite or an inexcusable idiot.

- His fetishism for strenght, equal parts fascist banter and gym locker room bravado, is actually very telling. We fetishize the unattainable. Considering he was the first Primarch to bite the dust, thanks in no small part to his apparent overconfidence, leads me to believe that, perhaps, there was an insecure weakling lying behind a carefully cultivated façade of strenght and steely determination.
In all, Ferrus Manus strikes me as the kind of guy that hides his many shortcomings under the guise of brutality and extremism.

They're all good points, I knew some but not about his homeworld Medusa, however, correct me if im wrong, but wasn't there some fluff kicking round about how Ferrus was disliking how his legion we're replacing bodyparts by the dozen and wanted to phase that out after the crusade, but as he died it never got implemented?

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
Ferrus Manus strikes me as the kind of guy that hides his many shortcomings under the guise of brutality and extremism.

just like Angron but we all love him...

BaconUprising wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
Ferrus Manus strikes me as the kind of guy that hides his many shortcomings under the guise of brutality and extremism.

just like Angron but we all love him...

Not true, least favorite Primarch of mine, followed by Ferrus Manus, who was much cooler before the HH books made him into a giant bag of dicks.

For me, it's the Primarch of the second Legion. He was just really unlikable.

 derek wrote:

BaconUprising wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
Ferrus Manus strikes me as the kind of guy that hides his many shortcomings under the guise of brutality and extremism.

just like Angron but we all love him...

Not true, least favorite Primarch of mine, followed by Ferrus Manus, who was much cooler before the HH books made him into a giant bag of dicks.

I'll take Angron's "Hurr durr break things!!!" attitude over Ferrus' "Earn the air you breathe, puny human" anytime.

But agreed, Angron is a mess. The Emperor should have given him the mercy shot the moment he found him, but he thought perhaps it would be fun if one of his legions of invaluable gene-enhanced warriors was led by a functional idiot with the temper of a fighting bull. Well, at least he's got that freaky implant doing bad, bad things to his brains as an excuse, while Ferrus derives his douchebaggery from perhaps too many hours of surfing neonazi websites while listening to Kraftwerk's "The man-machine" on repeat. Like El'Jonson, Fulgrim, Perturabo and many other illustrious d-bags of the far future, he has no alibi.

Erm. Iron within iron without. Easy choice rogal dorn. For the record perturabo's issues were forced upon him by a lack of respect from his father and his brothers. Hey we conquered this world.. Lets move on and leave the iron warriors to babysit.
And you wonder why they joined the rebellion. Lmfao

 tomball0706 wrote:
I'm quite surprised to see that Leman Russ is actually winning... I knew quite a few people disliked him, but not that he was the most disliked!

Not speaking for everyone on here, I was about to click Leman Russ but realised it's not actually Russ I dislike. He's a bit of a dick in his approach to matters at times but it's mainly the Russ fanboys I cannot stand. Russ this Russ that, he is tarnished by my thoughts of them.

After that moment of clarity I voted for Lorgar, mainly because I believe he is for want of a better word, a tw*t.

Whilst that accusation is true for a number of the Primarchs for various reasons, Lorgars immense daddy doesn't love me issues get right on my tits.

 tomball0706 wrote:
They're all good points, I knew some but not about his homeworld Medusa, however, correct me if im wrong, but wasn't there some fluff kicking round about how Ferrus was disliking how his legion we're replacing bodyparts by the dozen and wanted to phase that out after the crusade, but as he died it never got implemented?

Oh yep! There's a passing mention of that in the FW books IIRC. Seems to be a BL idea, though, can't remember when or where it's said.

Thing is, seems the machine-worship is mostly a Medusan tradition Ferrus has lived in for his whole life, but doesn't fully approve of.

There's also an interesting bit that might explain his demeanor, too. At one time in his youth, he got in a wrestling match with a certain creature...

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:
They're all good points, I knew some but not about his homeworld Medusa, however, correct me if im wrong, but wasn't there some fluff kicking round about how Ferrus was disliking how his legion we're replacing bodyparts by the dozen and wanted to phase that out after the crusade, but as he died it never got implemented?

Oh yep! There's a passing mention of that in the FW books IIRC. Seems to be a BL idea, though, can't remember when or where it's said.

Thing is, seems the machine-worship is mostly a Medusan tradition Ferrus has lived in for his whole life, but doesn't fully approve of.

There's also an interesting bit that might explain his demeanor, too. At one time in his youth, he got in a wrestling match with a certain creature...

Spoiler:

It's hinted it was some sort of high-level Necron, perhaps something even more powerful

ooooo, now that I did not know, I know he got into fisty cuffs with a gorgon or something and blah blah blah later he ended up with his liquid metal hands, but the idea that the thing he fought was that puts a very good twist on that story perhaps that is how he got so good at forging and stuff by physically becoming like/part cron