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 tomball0706 wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:
They're all good points, I knew some but not about his homeworld Medusa, however, correct me if im wrong, but wasn't there some fluff kicking round about how Ferrus was disliking how his legion we're replacing bodyparts by the dozen and wanted to phase that out after the crusade, but as he died it never got implemented?

Oh yep! There's a passing mention of that in the FW books IIRC. Seems to be a BL idea, though, can't remember when or where it's said.

Thing is, seems the machine-worship is mostly a Medusan tradition Ferrus has lived in for his whole life, but doesn't fully approve of.

There's also an interesting bit that might explain his demeanor, too. At one time in his youth, he got in a wrestling match with a certain creature...

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It's hinted it was some sort of high-level Necron, perhaps something even more powerful

ooooo, now that I did not know, I know he got into fisty cuffs with a gorgon or something and blah blah blah later he ended up with his liquid metal hands, but the idea that the thing he fought was that puts a very good twist on that story perhaps that is how he got so good at forging and stuff by physically becoming like/part cron

At one point in the HH storyline, Ferrus Manus wowed to rid his legion of its practice of replacing flesh with machine parts and iron. He even wanted to purge the xeno metal covering his hands, which is a real bummer considering how awesome those silver hands are.

Dorn. He's just so snore-worthy. Plus he made his marines paint their armour an ugly yellow. That's just not cool.

Edited for spelling, yo.

I just dont like Gulliman, I dont know why. Maybe how he bragged to Alpharious about how good the ultramarines where. Maybe its how he wants everyone to fight like the ultramarines, and how he made all the legions split into small chapters. I just don't like him.

 Redcruisair wrote:
At one point in the HH storyline, Ferrus Manus wowed to rid his legion of its practice of replacing flesh with machine parts and iron. He even wanted to purge the xeno metal covering his hands, which is a real bummer considering how awesome those silver hands are.

Oh, didn't know of the hands thing. I wonder if he'd have changed his name accordingly.

It strikes me as odd, really, as Ferrus wasn't the guy to shy away from exotic or forbidden tech. He even kept a secret stockpile of it, unknown even to the Mechanicum.

I never really felt a reason to like Khan, he just seemed very boring. Same with Corax, and Vulkan. I really liked the Iron Warriors but felt that Perturabo was kind of bland. I always hated Mortarion for being such a prick to Magnus during his trial and just again overall blandness despite looking badass. I never liked Night Haunter for being such a violent and paranoid guy even though its not entirely his fault but still. Can't say I know too much about the Lion, surprised to see so much hate for Russ.

BaconUprising wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
Ferrus Manus strikes me as the kind of guy that hides his many shortcomings under the guise of brutality and extremism.

just like Angron but we all love him...

Wrong for all his faults Angron has never lied about who he is and most tellingly has never ever drank the emperors Kool Aid.

Angron is one of the most honest of Primarchs.


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Ferrus for me is the most disliked Primarch.

At best he is redundant at worst he is a reckless fool.

Other then his silver hands Ferrus has NOTHING that sets him apart from his brothers.

Tactical skill ? No 4-5 Primarchs easily outstrip him

Iron will ? No every primarch has an iron will.

Technological skill ? Vulkan and Perturabo equal or surpass him in this

Strength ? Vulkan is stronger

Combat skill ? Angron Russ The Lion The Khan Fulgrim Guilliman Horus the Angel easily surpass him.

Had ferrus never been found the crusade would have been fine without him.

godking wrote:
Wrong for all his faults Angron has never lied about who he is and most tellingly has never ever drank the emperors Kool Aid.

Angron is one of the most honest of Primarchs.

To me Angron is just a bad morning cartoon villain trapped in a Primarch’s body. ADB made a good job portraying him in Betrayer, but in the end of the day the chraracter “Angron” is simply just a really angry dude, who’s out to kill the entire universe for no apparent reason hrrrrm.

godking wrote:
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Ferrus for me is the most disliked Primarch.

At best he is redundant at worst he is a reckless fool.

Other then his silver hands Ferrus has NOTHING that sets him apart from his brothers.

Tactical skill ? No 4-5 Primarchs easily outstrip him

Iron will ? No every primarch has an iron will.

Technological skill ? Vulkan and Perturabo equal or surpass him in this

Strength ? Vulkan is stronger

Combat skill ? Angron Russ The Lion The Khan Fulgrim Guilliman Horus the Angel easily surpass him.

Had ferrus never been found the crusade would have been fine without him.

This only really matters if you are basing your likes and dislikes on how much a character stands out from the crowd. For me personally, Guilliman rank as my favourite Primarch precisely because he doesn’t have anything unique or special about him, no metal hands, no red skin and magic powers, no secret twin brother and most certainly not a raging need to put the entire universe under the axe because a certain Emperor decided to screw him over.

Don't take my comment as a dislike for Angron, I think these awesome! My second favourite Primarch (joint with Magnus) after the mighty Horus

To be fair, I think that Ferrus might not be very fleshed out because he got relatively little fluff about him compared to his brothers. They didn't really focus on him very much, from what I've seen.

 Troike wrote:
To be fair, I think that Ferrus might not be very fleshed out because he got relatively little fluff about him compared to his brothers. They didn't really focus on him very much, from what I've seen.

I agree, Ferrus only just has more than the Khan and BL are releasing loads of eBooks for him and his legion so had Ferrus become the least wrote about Primarch? he only has side line plotlines in all the stories that I have read including him

Well, the good news, as a Salamanders fan, Vulkan is winning in terms of the least votes.

I voted for the Wolf. I dislike much of the Space Wolves fluff, and Russ always bothered me for being a confused character. Is he honourable, or just a drunken mess who takes offense at the smallest slight? But I think that's a theme for the legion and the current chapter too.

Their codex doesn't help with the 'wolfy mcwolferson riding a mega wolf swinging his wolf pattern wolf claw'. Wolf.

A lot of good points about Ferrus though. Was never really a fan of him either.

Gulliman, because he is the primarch of the ultramarine, and i hate them. Plus he thinks he really is great

This kind of has two answers.

Lorgar, because he was a weakling, mentally and physically. But he's been written so well in the series.

Curze, because he's been written so astoundingly badly in the series, even though he used to be one of my favorites.

 necronspurs2012 wrote:
Gulliman, because he is the primarch of the ultramarine, and i hate them. Plus he thinks he really is great

He has judged himself correctly then.

 Redcruisair wrote:
He has judged himself correctly then.

Exalted.

Horus.

He is described as the best. The Black Legion CSM are the poster-boys of Chaos. That´s enough for me to despise him.

Yet he has no connection with the black legion as they were essentially formed after his death.

Why are people hating on the Khan? He's barely a shadow of a character.

Everyone voting for Guilliman are just jealous.

Quick question. Which one was the whiny little brat who cried whenever he didn't get his way?

Hmm...

Lorgar - I am not anti-religion but the blind devotion he once had to the Emp so easily turned to Chaos worshiping.

Russ - As most have stated. Arrogant/WolfieWolf

Alpharius/Omergon - I don't dislike the idea of their characters. I just don't like the "oh the plan didn't work... or did it?" crap. It's especially not funny in forums. Give it up!

I'd go with Lorgar since he seems the weakest as a warrior.

To be honest they are all mostly badly written/extremely flawed individuals who were given waaaaaay too much power considering their mental states.

That is except (god am I going to write this....) Roboute Gulliman, I am not the UM's no.1 fan but In him lies the balance of leader, warrior, tactician and HUMAN, which most of them lack. Also people saying he is arrogant should remember he was ready to be-throne another Primarch.

I am an Imperial Fist / Dorn guy but even I can see he is an arrogant mental mess in comparison.

Hi, my name is Angron and I'm really really red and really really angry and my name is Angron, did I mention I'm quite angry?

Special mentions to Russ and The Lion for more examples of awful character development.

Horus, so easily turned, even when he knew that erebus was behind it!

 Happyjew wrote:
Quick question. Which one was the whiny little brat who cried whenever he didn't get his way?

Uh, pretty much all of them except the goody two shoes ones?

 Happyjew wrote:
Quick question. Which one was the whiny little brat who cried whenever he didn't get his way?

All of them?

Leman Russ. There is a soft, warm place in my heart....erm cold, dark, solemn place of ritual in my blood pumping organ for Lion El'Jonson, so yeah.

This is pretty close to my expectations.

Russ for being a huge jackass to everyone (even if you say it's a cultural thing since all the Wolves are huge jackasses, that's no excuse).

Roubote due to jealous haters.

A tad surprised at Lorgar's numbers, but he and his sons are the biggest dicks in the universe so it makes sense.

I'm loving how this has developed!

I agree with pretty much all of it, but i'm somewhat confused on the Lorgar hate, sure he was never a warrior, but he was never trained to be one, he was much like Magnus and was the "philosophical/religious" of the primarchs, he was the one who led the worship of the Emperor and wrote nearly every litany that the space marines say now plus all the sermons and such that the priests lead? All from the book of Lorgar haha 10 thousand years later and the cult of the Emperor is still being lead by the book of Lorgar. In my eyes it's his legionaries that are the dickish ones, looking right at you Erebus and Kor Phaeron

Ferrus Mannus is definitely the worst. He adds nothing that others can't do better.

For me Mortarion is the least likeable. What exactly does he do? Has he ever been described as formidable in any way? He seems quite dull to me.

The Lectitio Divinatus (the actual name of his first book, the Book of Lorgar is a series of daemonology manuals) focused on the Emperor's divinity and how he loves us and other hippy crap. The Imperial Cult bears little resemblance to the original message, being a lot more focused on fire and brimstone and punishing the wicked. Think of the difference between Jesus' teachings and the actions of later Christians in the Crusades and during the witch hunts/Inquisition.

And for all his complaints about not being a warrior, this is a guy who as a child spearheaded a bloody crusade that murdered half of his home planet. Sure, he's all regretful about the "necessity"of it, but does it anyway. Same thing with the Primordial Truth, he may say he's all sad about the "necessity" to sacrifice entire systems to the horrors of the Warp, but he does it anyway.

Lorgar. I think a legions leading characters say a lot about their primarch, and whilst most legions have some d*ckish leading characters they still have leading lights. Apart from Argal Tal who do the word bearers have? Erebus is the biggest tw*t going in the entire series. Kor Pheron is just a douche. And Lorgar himself... so utterly insecure, selfish and with a blind rigid devotion, not to a particular belief (that changed quickely) but just of religion itself. He doesn't care what he believes just as long as he believes, and those types of people are dangerous nutjobs who cannot reason for themselves. If it wasn't for Argal Tal, I would not have enjoyed anything to do with the word bearers. And they orchestrated the entire heresy due to a major sulk! Pr*cks! Sorry - rant over.