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Have you guys every though about a space matt? I would be really interested to know if that is on your production map? Thanks for your time.

I really like this idea and will be buying into the KS when I get paid next week. Looking forward to the urban terrain one. I would also like to throw in my vote for the diagonal roads on the urban city board. Really like this, thanks guys.

 Bikeninja wrote:
I really like this idea and will be buying into the KS when I get paid next week.

You don't have to have the money until the KS closes...

We funded! w00t!!

Thanks so much!

Happy Turkey Day!

Congrats Reece!

Any thoughts on the diagonal roads requests?


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It seems like that would be the way to go. Especially if they'll be used at your tournaments.

Yes, please!

An answer on The Diagonal Roads questions would be nice!

 pretre wrote:

 Bikeninja wrote:
I really like this idea and will be buying into the KS when I get paid next week.

You don't have to have the money until the KS closes...

I know. Got to get into now before wife and kids find other uses for the money.

Hey guys,

The 'Urban Combat' Mega Mat is going to be the grid pattern as it took the most work to develop and we want one that designates deployment zones and that will match up with other tables when laid down!

So this one will be as shown....however, we are already talking about a Diagnoal City mat to produce in the future if there is a large enough demand for it. We will start running some polls for some of the awesome ideas we've gotten about additional mats. So, when that occurs, be sure to speak up and if the demand is there, we will do it!

@Griffen127

We've gotten dozens of requests for different mats but Space has been the most popular, we are very strongly considering that as something to include in this KS if we can develop a mat that is up to our quality demands! So stay tuned.


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@Bikeninja

Thanks so much for the support!

Diagonal roads would make for a better game. A straight up square grid means permanant fire lanes across the entire board, and it can mess things up somewhat. An off-set city grid tends to work better.

Any chance of a 4x8 mat - that size would cover my table nicely.

I'd also like to see an urban board with out roads, or only very minor roads - would be mainly broken up / highly weatherd concrete, tarmac and paving stone type effect with weeds in the cracks and litter scattered around

I'll be waiting for that Diagonal City Map sometime at Future Retail then...

 Alpharius wrote:

I'll be waiting for that Diagonal City Map sometime at Future Retail then...

I think most people will, as parallel doesn't make sense for a gamer.
Better correct a mistake while it is still possible than produce something than noone can use.

And just reminding for a third time: Can you please answer my question on European distributors and European postage (per mat or per pledge)..

@Thread

Fellas, we play tabletop games all the time, more than probably 99% of the people posting in this thread. This urban mat has been well planned out. This isn't just a grid slapped on a mat. Trust me, this has been designed to be a great mat to play on, functionally.

I am not saying we know more than you all, just that you need to see it in action before passing judgement. The roads are laid out in such a way that you can alter how it plays. You can have offset buildings on the table, it won't just be a straight grid, the layout actually isn't a grid really. You will understand when you see it.

@Ruglud

A 4x8' mat would require an entirely new mold, a new production run, and a much higher price due to increased shipping and materials used. We have not plans for that size mat at this time.

@Kroothawk

You think most people would rather have diagonal or you know? I am not trying to be confrontational here, but go read comments on our KS, or here and everyone tends to think there idea on what is best is universally best. We try to create a product that appeals to as many people as possible and if the diagonal road map proves popular enough, we will make it. But, again, don't pass judgement on a product before you've even seen it ;-)

As for you distribution question, sorry if I missed it, the questions have been coming very fast.

We are working on European distribution now. We think we will be able to pull it off, but we don't want to over-promise anything.

Assuming we do have to ship from the USA, as of now the pledge is per mat. If you organize a group order, we will work with you on shipping. But that will have to be on a per order basis. let me know the details via PM and we can try and figure something out.

Whether or not the roads are diagonal, have some sort of hash marks or something that show the endpoints of the lines for vanguard strike would make a world of difference. I'd be very close to pledging if that was available.

@tomjoad

We've been brainstorming ideas on how to do that without making it look bad on the mats. We are in the final stages of finishing the Urban mats and I think we have some good ways to pull that off. However, if we can't show vanguard without sacrificing the aesthetic of the mat, we won't do it. First and foremost it has to look good. If we can do both, count on it!

Of course! Form is what's important. But if there were sidewalks or notable stones/items right on the edges where they were needed, it would improve the functionality by a lot for 40K players. I know that my friends and I often just treat 5-6 as a reroll when determining deployment because it isn't worth the hassle.

I guess we'll find out what the Urban Combat Mat looks like in about $700.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Diagonal roads would make for a better game. A straight up square grid means permanant fire lanes across the entire board, and it can mess things up somewhat. An off-set city grid tends to work better.

As someone who use to help set up tourny tables, I agree with this 100%.

Makeing a bunch of big fireing lanes that encourage static game play does not create rewarding games for most people.

Well the goal for the Urban has been met, Can't wait to see that

I guess the Urban preview isn't ready? If it isn't, that makes me think diagonal roads would be an easy implementation but I have no experience with making mats... I also don't mean to beat a dead horse like the logo situation (for the record I don't care that the logo is there).

Regardless, I am eager to see it.

From the Update it sound like the design is nearly done. They'll be unveiling it this weekend along with Feb shipping levels. I think have both straiht and angled roads is a nice compromise.

Frontline Gaming: Update #2 wrote:Hello Mega Mat Backers!

1 more day and we broke through the first stretch funding tier! Thank you! The pledges are coming in faster than we expected. We can now offer you the ‘Urban Combat’ theme.

This weekend, we will be opening up a new pledge level. This new pledge level will allow for 200 February shipments of the new ‘Urban Combat’ Theme. We will open this up at ~5pm PST on Saturday. About that same time, we will be sharing you our first teaser image of the design with the full image available by Monday.

Now, we have received a lot of feedback regarding this design and others. We have put a lot of thought and effort into it and are sure you will love it. However, there is a strong request for a version of ‘Urban Combat’ with streets that run at angles. So, we are going to add a new stretch goal target for ‘Urban Combat 2’! This new stretch goal will be set at $80K and, if unlocked, would be first available for March shipments (not able to make this intercept February). So, you will have a choice… our goal is to make ‘Urban Combat 2’ “tileable” with ‘Urban Combat’… so you could place the two side by side for a very large (and cool, amazing, brilliant looking) battle landscape.

But wait, there's more.. We will also be adding a $75K stretch funding tier for a 4x4' 'Space' themed mat.

Thanks to all for the constructive feedback... And thanks to all for your pledge support.

Cheers, Frankie, Reece, Doug, & Todd

How much room is there for customer input on design choices at this point?

I ask because the way questions are being answered it seems to be much closer to things being set in stone with some leeway on future designs.

Just figured it would lessen some angst if people knew that the initial run wasn't subject to adaptation.

Hey guys, thanks so much for helping us hit our first tier!

Wow, that happened faster than we thought it would!

The urban mat is almost done with the final detailing and we don't want to reveal it before it is ready to rock but we will put up a teaser image very, very soon!

As stated, it doesn't have big giant firing lanes. it is easily adjusted to block LoS in the middle of the table.

But, we listened to what you guys had to say and we are going to add additional stretch goals to reflect the two most common themes for mats we've received so far: 4x4' Space Combat and 4x6' Urban Combat with angled roads.

We can't push either forward as we already have work going on the initial designs we already have going. But, if we hit our stretch goals, they will become a reality on the KickStarter, so thanks for the suggestions.

We're well on our way to unlocking the Alpine Mat too, which has been getting a lot of positive feedback!

Thanks again everyone for the awesome support, feedback and suggestions.

@TomJoad

Yeah, the fellas were trying to get Vanguard in there on the design but it just doesn't mesh that well with the other deployments. We'll see with the final image if they pull it off.

@Eldarian

We absolutely listen to suggestions and will react to them. However, we have literally dozens of requests for mats, styles, etc. and we just can't do them all.

Each design takes a long time to complete. The guys making them are video game level designers and each mat has a seriously insane level of detail and is very high resolution. In order to get that level of detail takes time and so we have to stick to our schedule to get these done and keep up with the KickStarter as best we can! We are 100% open to suggestions though so keep them coming! We just may not be able to hit them as fast as people may want is all.

Good to see the feedback taken on the two most popular requests- that just makes business sense, obviously. Although, unfortunately I doubt either will happen with the goals at 75k and 80k. Would love to be wrong, of course.

 Eldarain wrote:

 Dinamarth wrote:
Roughly $3,500 until Urban Combat is unlocked.

Is everyone on board with having diagonal streets?

Absolutely! Do you think it could be done both marking Vanguard deployment and still being aesthetically pleasing?

I hate marking out the deployment zones in that one.

I whole-heartedly agree!

Few thoughts:

One: any ideas on retail $$? I really want this, but buying it in January for $20 more makes way more sense to me financially than adding to my Christmas bills.

Two: I would also love the diagonal over the squared off grid

Three: This product is awesome, I run a gaming group of about 20 and will be passing this on to everyone

Four: a space or a water map would be really really great down the road. I know tons of Victory at Sea and War at Sea guys would drop 100 USD for a hex map with open ocean pattern on it. Also the Axis and Allies miniatures crowd might be a good place to plug your product.

To touch on the above point, there's another ks on the go just now offering acetate overlays with various grids for systems like dust tactics. Seems like a good way to pull in punters from various systems and get add on sales?

@Ri-Tides

Yeah, we want to give people what they want for sure, as you said, it only makes sense.

The trick is to do that while being realistic. We have gotten over 30 requests for different styles of mats and everyone feels that what they think is the coolest mat is the coolest mat, period! hahaha, and often the follow up sentiment is that we're business dumb-dumbs if we don't see it that way, too!

So sorting out the ideas that have a lot of appeal from those that are maybe a little more niche can be difficult. And, we have to stick to our established schedule as much as possible for this first product run as if we make big changes it will throw off our time line.

The cool thing about this is that we plan on supporting it with additional mats, accessories, etc. down the road if it is popular (which is seems to be!) so expect more products in this line as we go, we just may not be able to do it all in the KS is all.

@Anpu-Adom

Yeah, we agree and as stated if it can be done without sacrificing the aesthetics of the mat, it will be done. Marking Vanguard is a PITA, I agree!

@Lobukia

MSRP undetermined at this point in time, sorry. The KS is cheaper though when you factor in shipping, particularly if you order in more than one.

Glad you like the product and thanks very much for the support!

@eggs

That is a good idea, thanks for the suggestion. We will check it out and see if there is room for us to help one another out!

You've had pretty universal feedback in this thread regarding the roads, for what it's worth.

 Reecius wrote:

@Ruglud

A 4x8' mat would require an entirely new mold, a new production run, and a much higher price due to increased shipping and materials used. We have not plans for that size mat at this time.

Understood - thought I'd ask though - will make do with the PVC table protector for now

If you ever do go large, I'll be sure to check back in