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2013/12/05 21:38:28
Subject: On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
The North American Aerospace Defense Command’s popular Track Santa program is back for 2013, but the news that St. Nick will be getting fighter jet escorts isn’t going over well with everyone, with some child advocates speaking out against the move, the Boston Globe reported.
“Children associate Santa with gifts and fun and everything else that is positive about Christmas,” said Allen Kanner, a California child and family psychologist and co-founder of the Boston-based Campaign for a Commercial Free Childhood. “They are associating this with the military in children’s minds. It is completely out of line,” he told The Globe.
In 2012, 22 million people were able to get “real-time” updates on Santa Claus’ trip around the globe. Millions of families watched Santa and his reindeer accomplish their mission, but this year the U.S. Air Force will be giving him support.
Adding the jets is “part of our effort to give the program more of an operational feel,” Navy Capt. Jeff A. Davis, a spokesman for NORAD, told The Globe. “It’s still cutesy since it’s for kids, but we don’t want people to lose sight of our true mission,” Capt. Davis said.
The fighter jets reportedly will protect Santa when he goes over restricted airspace around the globe. If NORAD can duplicate or improve upon last year’s statistics, that will mean at least 1.2 million mobile users and 114,000 people who call in will have a better idea of NORAD’s mission.
“I think people are quite aware of the military’s true mission,” said Amy Hagopian, a professor of public health at the University of Washington who has written extensively about military recruiting of youngsters. “If the military wants to keep its ranks stocked, it needs to appeal to children. The military knows it can’t appeal to adults to volunteer. It is like the ad industry,” she told The Globe.
The full experience for the Track Santa program, which includes games, music and movies, can be viewed at http://www.noradsanta.org/
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2013/12/05 21:41:24
Subject: On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
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2013/12/05 21:42:29
Subject: On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
why do they have quotes around real-time, do they mean it's on like a minute delay because the signal has to bounce from Santa's sleigh to a satellite down to NORAD that has to send the message via a series of tubes to my computer?
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2013/12/05 21:42:33
Subject: On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
“I think people are quite aware of the military’s true mission,” said Amy Hagopian, a professor of public health at the University of Washington who has written extensively about military recruiting of youngsters. “If the military wants to keep its ranks stocked, it needs to appeal to children. The military knows it can’t appeal to adults to volunteer. It is like the ad industry,” she told The Globe.
Seriously? I understand taking issue with adding fighter jets to the family-friendly Santa image. I'd say lighten up, but everyone has their own taste. But this? Seriously? Is she just trying to get her name in print by saying something audacious? I just have such a hard time believing that someone could actually believe this.
When I think about what would have made Santa even more awesome-r as a kid, fighter jets flying beside him would have to rank pretty high...I don't see a problem with this.
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2013/12/05 23:02:05
Subject: Re:On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
Eh, if what she saying is true then the air force hasnt done anything that hollywood and modern war shooter have already.
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2013/12/05 23:06:32
Subject: Re:On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
“I think people are quite aware of the military’s true mission,” said Amy Hagopian, a professor of public health at the University of Washington who has written extensively about military recruiting of youngsters. “If the military wants to keep its ranks stocked, it needs to appeal to children. The military knows it can’t appeal to adults to volunteer. It is like the ad industry,” she told The Globe.
Seriously? I understand taking issue with adding fighter jets to the family-friendly Santa image. I'd say lighten up, but everyone has their own taste. But this? Seriously? Is she just trying to get her name in print by saying something audacious? I just have such a hard time believing that someone could actually believe this.
That the military purposefully markets to young folk or that this specific move is to market to young folk?
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2013/12/05 23:11:01
Subject: Re:On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
“I think people are quite aware of the military’s true mission,” said Amy Hagopian, a professor of public health at the University of Washington who has written extensively about military recruiting of youngsters. “If the military wants to keep its ranks stocked, it needs to appeal to children. The military knows it can’t appeal to adults to volunteer. It is like the ad industry,” she told The Globe.
Seriously? I understand taking issue with adding fighter jets to the family-friendly Santa image. I'd say lighten up, but everyone has their own taste. But this? Seriously? Is she just trying to get her name in print by saying something audacious? I just have such a hard time believing that someone could actually believe this.
Our true mission? I wonder what that is. She is of course inferring that it's to cause death and destruction, but that is not our true mission. It is only a part of it.
My true mission is to ensure the protection of life, and assets, through the accurate prediction of weather. My mission sometimes is directly tying into the death and destruction, but that would be more like a secondary part of it.
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2013/12/05 23:54:43
Subject: Re:On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
I thought the mission was to be a giant welfare-jobs program that brainwashes the populace into government compliance and a means to line the pockets of the military-industrial complex?
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2013/12/05 23:57:16
Subject: Re:On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
I think it's important for Santa to have proper protection.
Have you seen all those "X Saves Christmas!" specials? The poor guy needs some help
Also, to hopefully prevent things like this happening
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2013/12/06 00:26:18
Subject: Re:On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
motyak wrote: When I think about what would have made Santa even more awesome-r as a kid, fighter jets flying beside him would have to rank pretty high...I don't see a problem with this.
Especially if the military advertises that some of Santa's escort pilots are female... This way, those of us parents with girls can say, "see look how cool fighter jets are? If you want to when you grow up, and try real hard, you can do that too"
2013/12/06 00:52:38
Subject: On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I'd honestly prefer the Christmas jets without all the Santa crap. Christmas jets would be awesome.
And we all know the aerospace industry is secular. Take that, O'Reilly.
But without Santa, children around the world won't have gifts under their tree(s) :-\
Kids don't really believe in Santa. They know their parents put the gifts there. They just humor us so we don't get all sad and start humming "Sunrise, Sunset".
Besides, only dirty, rational secularists would claim that Santa puts the presents under the tree. True Christians know it was Jesus.
So... I just want to make sure I get this straight. Someone is upset about imaginary fighter jets that will protect an imaginary fat man giving very real gifts by using the parents' credit cards?
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2013/12/06 01:57:08
Subject: On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
Mathieu Raymond wrote: So... I just want to make sure I get this straight. Someone is upset about imaginary fighter jets that will protect an imaginary fat man giving very real gifts by using the parents' credit cards?
Imaginary fat man, what are you saying?
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2013/12/06 01:59:22
Subject: On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
Mathieu Raymond wrote: So... I just want to make sure I get this straight. Someone is upset about imaginary fighter jets that will protect an imaginary fat man giving very real gifts by using the parents' credit cards?
'Murica.
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2013/12/06 02:10:41
Subject: On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
“I think people are quite aware of the military’s true mission,” said Amy Hagopian, a professor of public health at the University of Washington who has written extensively about military recruiting of youngsters. “If the military wants to keep its ranks stocked, it needs to appeal to children. The military knows it can’t appeal to adults to volunteer. It is like the ad industry,” she told The Globe.
That might be one of the stupidest statements I've ever read.
And everybody loves fighters. Even this esteemed professor would change her tune if I took her up for a ten minute incentive ride in a Rhino.
2013/12/06 13:16:59
Subject: On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
Mathieu Raymond wrote: So... I just want to make sure I get this straight. Someone is upset about imaginary fighter jets that will protect an imaginary fat man giving very real gifts by using the parents' credit cards?
Actually, it sounds as if the various branches with fighter jets will be doing ceremonial flights acting as if theyre escorting the fat man around. It's good night training and also decent publicity.
2013/12/06 14:18:43
Subject: On Donner, on Cupid, On Donner, on.... Maverick and Goose?
This reminds me of a strip in Viz a few years ago where the Nazis hatch a plot to for the Luftwaffe to shoot down Santa and the RAF train a lookalike to distract them. I'll have to see if I've still got the issue at home somewhere.
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