Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Redemption wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
10.) No dedicated anti-air unit known so far

According to Endobai, the Crone has dedicated anti-air wargear; those parasite looking missiles are apparently anti-aircraft, possibly with guidance.

It's apparently quite amazing at the task. It has a S8 vector strike and specialized AA missiles, plus a ground template.

 Vhalyar wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
10.) No dedicated anti-air unit known so far

According to Endobai, the Crone has dedicated anti-air wargear; those parasite looking missiles are apparently anti-aircraft, possibly with guidance.

It's apparently quite amazing at the task. It has a S8 vector strike and specialized AA missiles, plus a ground template.

Wow, that's sounds good. I wonder what the strength of the Missiles are.

I hope they updated the armor save. a 4+ save just does not cut it on a MC, especially with things like Missilesides.

Edit: Perhaps we'll get lucky, and get a special rule that prevents them from getting grounded, or modifies the grounding test. Maybe passing it on a 2+.

 Redemption wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
10.) No dedicated anti-air unit known so far

According to Endobai, the Crone has dedicated anti-air wargear; those parasite looking missiles are apparently anti-aircraft, possibly with guidance.

Okay, found the quote. But if everyone else is now good at shooting down flyers first round, a flying anti-air is not very helpfull.

Endobai over at Warseer wrote:

Were you talking about the parasite bomb-bugs?

These are not bombs, but anti-air missiles. The Crone is a fighter-bomber with attacking enemy fliers as its primary task.
From the description they might be self-guided to some degree.
It definetely is a flamer-like weapon, but secondary to the air combat task the creature is responsible for.
(...)

Has anyone seen the codex cover yet?

The center piece of the release...

Tyrant Guards

They look much better and have several weapon options. This image although good to show the model doesn't do the unit much justice.
They are really nice with crushing claws.

 Kroothawk wrote:

8.) We get a second Tyrannofex, as if 2x S10 is bad. Granted the current model is lazy and can't even stand, but 2 models for basically the same? Looks like one will be nerfed.

We'll see about the true rules, but if they got their inspiration from Epic, the Exocrine will not be a "second Tyrannofex"...rather some kind of big bio-artillery.

And that would change A LOT of things for tyrannids.

Plus we don't know what changes the Tyrannofex will undergo.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus we don't know what changes the Tyrannofex will undergo.

Hopefully a significant price reduction, and increase in BS by one.


For those of you familiar with the Bio-Weapon of the Exocrine, are expecting something like large blasts and Barrage? Like a super Biovore?

Tyrant Guards

They look much better and have several weapon options. This image although good to show the model doesn't do the unit much justice.
They are really nice with crushing claws.

That's new!! I believe right now it gives d3+1 A right? Used to be d6 well if its the former and they also gain half decent ap on them (even with I1) that could be a lot of damage

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus we don't know what changes the Tyrannofex will undergo.

Well, it'll be cheaper apparently, Vhalyar was speaking about the Carnifex being ~75% of its current cost, and a Tyrannofex with Rupture Cannon being about 80% of its current cost.

Aaaaand the Warseer thread is deleted...

Indeed. I would ha e thought the T-Fex having the now smaller more agile big gun would have been an ideal candidate for ground based AA.

I was so hoping that Stealers would get a buff.

 Sasori wrote:
For those of you familiar with the Bio-Weapon of the Exocrine, are expecting something like large blasts and Barrage? Like a super Biovore?

It's a bio-plasma cannon with 2 fire modes, so I'd expect some form of reasonable strength AP2 blast weapon to be one of the fire modes.

 Redemption wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus we don't know what changes the Tyrannofex will undergo.

Well, it'll be cheaper apparently, Vhalyar was speaking about the Carnifex being ~75% of its current cost, and a Tyrannofex with Rupture Cannon being about 80% of its current cost.

Aaaaand the Warseer thread is deleted...

120 point Carnifex, and a 220 point Tyrannofex would be pretty reasonable.

Well, this Exocrine sure has a lot of similarities with biovors, but I'm not sure it will act the same since it was the Dactylis that was acting more like "big barrage bio-weapon".

Of course, they could change that completely, we don't know. But I would rather think the Exocrine will be more like a "bio-Leman Russ" in the spirit.

Codex will tell, as usual.

 Sarouan wrote:
But I would rather think the Exocrine will be more like a "bio-Leman Russ" in the spirit.

I do hope so. That's what it's meant to be.

And maybe, just maybe, GW won't be afraid to let some Tyranids have a Toughness higher than 6.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
But I would rather think the Exocrine will be more like a "bio-Leman Russ" in the spirit.

I do hope so. That's what it's meant to be.

And maybe, just maybe, GW won't be afraid to let some Tyranids have a Toughness higher than 6.

I'm calling it. The Exocrine is a Lord of War

I mean, according to lexicanum's classification thingamajig, they are meant to be larger than Carnifexes and Tyrannofexes.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
But I would rather think the Exocrine will be more like a "bio-Leman Russ" in the spirit.

I do hope so. That's what it's meant to be.

And maybe, just maybe, GW won't be afraid to let some Tyranids have a Toughness higher than 6.

I could see the Haruspex having T8 (Possible the Exocrine as well) This would go a long way in solving the issue of surviving into CC.

 Sasori wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus we don't know what changes the Tyrannofex will undergo.

Hopefully a significant price reduction, and increase in BS by one.


For those of you familiar with the Bio-Weapon of the Exocrine, are expecting something like large blasts and Barrage? Like a super Biovore?

In Epic the Exocrine was a anti-tank unit with a really long range, basically a Tyranid analogue to the Basilisk. I'd be expecting something along the lines of a S8/9 large blast ruleswise.

The Tyrannofex will probably be tweaked into more of a forward linebreaker, with various weapon options akin to some Leman Russ variants.

 Sasori wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
But I would rather think the Exocrine will be more like a "bio-Leman Russ" in the spirit.

I do hope so. That's what it's meant to be.

And maybe, just maybe, GW won't be afraid to let some Tyranids have a Toughness higher than 6.

I could see the Haruspex having T8 (Possible the Exocrine as well) This would go a long way in solving the issue of surviving into CC.

Except eldar blade storm, dark eldar poison, and kroot snipers care not for toughness.

The army needs resistance to poison OR cheaper units OR area effect feel no pain, I believe.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
But I would rather think the Exocrine will be more like a "bio-Leman Russ" in the spirit.

I do hope so. That's what it's meant to be.

And maybe, just maybe, GW won't be afraid to let some Tyranids have a Toughness higher than 6.

I could see the Haruspex having T8 (Possible the Exocrine as well) This would go a long way in solving the issue of surviving into CC.

Except eldar blade storm, dark eldar poison, and kroot snipers care not for toughness.

The army needs resistance to poison OR cheaper units OR area effect feel no pain, I believe.

The Wraithknight is in the same boat, but it really doesn't have a huge issue with these things. True, it is faster and has some nice long range weapons, but I find mine very very rarely die. Even with Poison, Bladestorm, and Snipers going though 6 T8 3+ wounds is actually not that easy to do.

So, while it is an issue, T8 solves the biggest issues of the Meta, which is volume of fire. I tend to be much more worried about Scatter+Shield than Bladestorm for instance. Pulse Rifle Spam, Missilesides with Buffmander, etc etc. T8 really helps with all of this.

A better Haruspex image:

 xttz wrote:
A better Haruspex image:

Thanks for that. What I thought was a claw, is actually it's Tongue! Nice.

Aww, it looks so cute!

 xttz wrote:
A better Haruspex image:

I can easily seen that being T8 w6 sv2+ from that images

 Sasori wrote:


Thanks for that. What I thought was a claw, is actually it's Tongue! Nice.

Wonder if it can grab vehicles with it and pull them closer for feeding on...

 xttz wrote:
A better Haruspex image:

If it can't single out and eat enemy models during the shooting phase (with no saves allowed) then i'm not buying more than 1 of them.

 xttz wrote:
In Epic the Exocrine was a anti-tank unit with a really long range, basically a Tyranid analogue to the Basilisk.

Wasn't that the Dactylis?

That is one cool looking model - but I don't see it carrying any nids to battle. No transportofex after all. Basically every BOLS rumor is debunked with these photos.

 xttz wrote:
A better Haruspex image:

O .... Wow!

I just wish GW would get it into their heads that releasing a popular army BEFORE Xmas would actually generate them some sales.

I'd love to be able to put these guys and their codex on my Xmas or Birthday wishlist, as I am sure would other folks.

I like the full shot of the Hauspex (although not enough to pointlessly requote it )

So far I'm looking at Psy Cards, codex, two flyer kits and a pair of the Exocrine/Haus'.

Oh hey, part of the codex cover!

Eh...way better than our current cover art but it lacks something the space marine and tau books had. Can't put my finger on it.

Thanks for the pics! Now someone PM endobai on warseer and get him to post in this thread.