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That is some excellent looking Artwork!

Vhalyar - do you have a white dwarf? And if so, any bits gleaned from the battle report?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 xttz wrote:
In Epic the Exocrine was a anti-tank unit with a really long range, basically a Tyranid analogue to the Basilisk.

Wasn't that the Dactylis?

The Dactylis was more of a barrage unit, hitting a wide area with a weaker attack just like a Griffon. Under Epic rules, the Dactylis used a barrage template while the Exocrine fired single shots.

Wasn't the Exocrines gun rumoured to be a weapon type Nids didn't have before? Could it possible be an Ordnance weapon?

 Vhalyar wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
10.) No dedicated anti-air unit known so far

According to Endobai, the Crone has dedicated anti-air wargear; those parasite looking missiles are apparently anti-aircraft, possibly with guidance.

It's apparently quite amazing at the task. It has a S8 vector strike and specialized AA missiles, plus a ground template.

Woah! A Strength 8 Vector Strike!? Holy crap! I wonder how good the ground template is. Would certainly make it a worthwhile flyer even when flyers aren't around if the template is any good.
I saw earlier that Carnifexes are 120 base, and Tyrannofexes are about 220 base. Not bad at all! However, I think the Tyrannofex should have dropped quite a bit more, that is unless its' profile and guns were buffed. The reality is, it is inferior to the Riptide that is 50 points cheaper if the rules stay the same!

By the by mate, sorry to ask, but do you know anything about changes to Synapse and Shadow in the Warp?
Are the "Tervigon spawning upgrades" real? Do you know anything about the rules for the two big monsters?
Any answers you give are much appreciated Cheers!

Leggy wrote:
Wasn't the Exocrines gun rumoured to be a weapon type Nids didn't have before? Could it possible be an Ordnance weapon?

No, the comment was from Endobai concerning the weapon of the Crone.

Anyway, some tidbits from the batrep. Am I going to be slammed for posting points? Maybe, I'll remove them if I get asked.

Exocrine is 170 points
Exocrine firing modes are large blast or 6 S7 AP2 shots.
Crone is 155 points.
Harpy is 135 with the TL stranglers, 25 pts cheaper.
Venomthropes are 45, 10 pts cheaper.
Trygon Prime is 230, 10 pts cheaper.
Fex and Tfex I already mentioned, but due to biomorphs it's only an estimation.

e: Flyrant with double TL devs, wings and 2 powers is 230 pts. 30 pts cheaper than the same build right now.

The new Nid models look great. I love the big stuff, the Guards and the flyer. With a good paintjob (GW's one is truly awful) they'll no doubt be one of the best looking armies in 40K and it'll be all plastic to boot.

To be honest, it's quite incredible how many cool kits the Nids have. The Tyrant, Carnifex, Tervigon, Tyrannofex and Trygon are great models (and conversions make them even better) and now they'll add Haruspex, Harpy and Exocrine to the collection. No other army in the game comes even close to how many modern big kits they have.

Even Tau, which I like a lot visually, pretty much only have one modern kit, the Riptide. Same thing for Eldar. The Nids have half a dozen.

Regarding the 'new' Warriors and their similarity to the current ones.

I wonder if the similarity is due to them simply substituting the existing 'accessory/weapons' sprue out for a recut one featuring the Dynasty Warrior upgrade, plastic LW/BS and possibly other new weapons?

There is nothing wrong with the sculpting of the current TW's. I think they have withstood the passage of time extremely well.

And yes, it would be nice to see better Toughness and/or INV saves on the really big guys (and the Fex and Tyrant but I'm not that naïve.

 Vhalyar wrote:

Leggy wrote:
Wasn't the Exocrines gun rumoured to be a weapon type Nids didn't have before? Could it possible be an Ordnance weapon?

No, the comment was from Endobai concerning the weapon of the Crone.

Anyway, some tidbits from the batrep. Am I going to be slammed for posting points? Maybe, I'll remove them if I get asked.

Exocrine is 170 points
Exocrine firing modes are large blast or 6 S7 AP2 shots.
Crone is 155 points.
Harpy is 135 with the TL stranglers, 25 pts cheaper.
Venomthropes are 45, 10 pts cheaper.
Trygon Prime is 230, 10 pts cheaper.
Fex and Tfex I already mentioned, but due to biomorphs it's only an estimation.

Yowza!
The Exocrine sounds crazy! 170 points for a better gun (before Markerlight support) than the Riptide's Ion Accelerator, I wonder what its' Ballistic Skill and stats are though? Honestly, that sounds like a great unit! I'm guessing the large blast is S8 AP2 Ordnance to justify not taking 6 S7 AP2 shots....
Crone is 155 points? I wonder what their stats are, but a Strength 8 Vector Strike probably means Toughness 6 and 3+ armour save, probably with 4 wounds. Hopefully. This thing sounds absolutely ridiculous.
Harpy at 135 points.....wow that's sick. As long as it isn't T5 W4 4+ armour save it will be really awesome.
The other stuff is very cool.

Swarmlord is 285, 5 pts more.
Tervigon with crushing claw is 210 (!) and one power, 25 pts more than current. It's possible you need to buy the first mastery level for them now.

 Vhalyar wrote:
Swarmlord is 285, 5 pts more.
Tervigon with crushing claw is 210 (!) and one power, 25 pts more than current. It's possible you need to buy the first mastery level for them now.

Swarmlord being more expensive gives me hope. Most MCs thus far have gotten cheaper at the expense reduced ++saves and general durability (AoK comes to mind). Hopefully this means the Swarmlord remains a CC monster that's also very durable to boot.

The Exocrine sounds crazy! 170 points for a better gun (before Markerlight support) than the Riptide's Ion Accelerator, I wonder what its' Ballistic Skill and stats are though?

I'd guess BS3 T6 W5 and SV 3+. If it's any better than it's underpriced. Maybe it can buy SV2+ or even additional BS as biomorphs for extra points, who knows, but 170 points can't be much better than that.

Any idea if the two new big 'uns are better than T6?

Vhalyar wrote:

Leggy wrote:
Wasn't the Exocrines gun rumoured to be a weapon type Nids didn't have before? Could it possible be an Ordnance weapon?

No, the comment was from Endobai concerning the weapon of the Crone.

Anyway, some tidbits from the batrep. Am I going to be slammed for posting points? Maybe, I'll remove them if I get asked.

Exocrine is 170 points
Exocrine firing modes are large blast or 6 S7 AP2 shots.
Crone is 155 points.
Harpy is 135 with the TL stranglers, 25 pts cheaper.
Venomthropes are 45, 10 pts cheaper.
Trygon Prime is 230, 10 pts cheaper.
Fex and Tfex I already mentioned, but due to biomorphs it's only an estimation.

e: Flyrant with double TL devs, wings and 2 powers is 230 pts. 30 pts cheaper than the same build right now.

Vhalyar wrote:Swarmlord is 285, 5 pts more.
Tervigon with crushing claw is 210 (!) and one power, 25 pts more than current. It's possible you need to buy the first mastery level for them now.

Who are they facing in the bat rep? Does Swarmlord seem as Killy as he was before?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Any idea if the two new big 'uns are better than T6?

Stats unknown as far as I could see, sorry.

At least we know now how the Exocrine and Tyrannofex differ in their roles. I think the TFex is still described as the tankiest one around, but I can't confirm that - too much to digest in one night until 3am.
The Swarmlord is ML3 as a note.

 Souleater wrote:
Regarding the 'new' Warriors and their similarity to the current ones.

I wonder if the similarity is due to them simply substituting the existing 'accessory/weapons' sprue out for a recut one featuring the Dynasty Warrior upgrade, plastic LW/BS and possibly other new weapons?

There are so many little changes, like differently posed legs, notches in armour and talons in different places, different heads, etc, that there is no doubt these are entirely new models.

Any word on warriors? It seems the war seer rumor guy had the plug pulled on him so we can't get any more infer from him.

Anything on gene stealers or horms?

The prime is alright, but I wish the legs looked different. That's probably just because I had a cool idea for a conversion years ago when the old codex came out using the metal lictor legs: keeps it looking similar to other warriors while beefing it up and making it look more important, without necessarily adding a lot of extra height to it, either. Wish I had at least finished that model but I sold all that gak when I got wise to how crappy the codex was. Probably shouldn't have because I had a crap ton of warriors and wouldn't need to buy new ones at the gakky $50+ price point they're at now.

Honestly I kinda liked the look of the old tyrant guard but the new one looks good, too. I kinda like how the one pair of arms has really thick carapace on them, like shields. $70 is outrageous though, would have really liked to see a bigger price drop than a measly $5...especially since 9 hive guard were practically mandatory for the longest time and probably will be in this book, too (or you'll be able to take even more of them). May be GW charging us for the convenience of not having to deal with total garbage like Finecast now. I can totally see GW staff using that as a selling point, anyway.

Exocrine has a goofy head, other than that the only thing I hate is the price tag and the nagging feeling that it's most likely designed to invalidate the tyrannofex, another expensive-ass model that didn't really come out that long ago. Haruspex just looks stupid in my opinion, what's that gak coming out of its mouth supposed to be? Tentacles? Because it looks like purple puffy smoke to me, like it's shooting missiles out of its mouth and they're leaving colorful smoke trails behind it. Sculpting fail, in my opinion...unless that's literally what those are supposed to be.

Is it just me or does the harpy look nothing like the codex artwork? I remember the art looking like a really big gargoyle with a fancy head crest and everything and this just looks like a carnifex with wings: in other words, like every single converted harpy ever, but now you have the privilege of paying $80 for it. I want to see it from more angles, but as of now it's not really what I was expecting. At least it looks like it actually fits in with the army though, unlike the Tau flyer.

As for the bundles: I really love how GW simply can not, for any reason, give you a savings on a model unless you spend a crap ton of money to get it. They put carnifexes back down to the much more reasonable $45 price point (though one could argue that's still too much since they're fething useless, and that probably won't change), but you have to buy two in order to get it. Personally I would have loved to see a box like the old Apocalypse "crusher brood" splash release where you basically got three for the price of two, but I guess that would make their current "three for the price of three" direct-only formation look stupid, huh? That and I guess I'm just "entitled." I'm curious about what's in the swarm box, 95 models sounds like a lot and quite a bit more than what's in the current "endless swarm" formation.

That codex would have to be really fething good to convince me to build an actual army of them, though. I'm not jumping in dick first again, and honestly I'm not too confident in the health of 40k or GW right now, so buying a new army (especially when I still have two others I never have time to paint) isn't something I'm really anxious to do. I've always liked the look of Tyranids though, and I've tried to start them twice before, both at the tail end of 4th and after the 5th edition codex hit. So I guess I'm interested, but I have lost all confidence in GW at this point and I expect them to do nothing but feth up even more at everything they do.

Any truth to Gargoyles being Troops?

 Vhalyar wrote:

Leggy wrote:
Wasn't the Exocrines gun rumoured to be a weapon type Nids didn't have before? Could it possible be an Ordnance weapon?

No, the comment was from Endobai concerning the weapon of the Crone.

Anyway, some tidbits from the batrep. Am I going to be slammed for posting points? Maybe, I'll remove them if I get asked.

Exocrine is 170 points
Exocrine firing modes are large blast or 6 S7 AP2 shots.
Crone is 155 points.
Harpy is 135 with the TL stranglers, 25 pts cheaper.
Venomthropes are 45, 10 pts cheaper.
Trygon Prime is 230, 10 pts cheaper.
Fex and Tfex I already mentioned, but due to biomorphs it's only an estimation.

e: Flyrant with double TL devs, wings and 2 powers is 230 pts. 30 pts cheaper than the same build right now.

Gonna join the chorus of people singing questions at you

1) Is there any mention on deep-striking / reserve changes? Can you still drop things in a spore pod without the model?
2) Any word on army-wide rules like Shadow in the Warp etc?

It is a bit odd that in all these years this model is the first Tyranid model that made me think "OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM!" in an instant.

 Symbio Joe wrote:

Spoiler:

It is a bit odd that in all these years this model is the first Tyranid model that made me think "OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM!" in an instant.

Isn't it obvious? Your future is that it will eat you.

 Sidstyler wrote:
...Stuff...

I'm really glad I took the time to read your wall of text I hadn't realised that 40K was an expensive hobby, or that prices go up around release time. So thanks for making me aware

What I really want to know is how warriors, gene stealers, and horms have changed. If they haven't, I don't really see myself fielding them.

We heard rumors that ymgarls were now dead and that all gene stealers deploy like ymgarls. Any confirmation?

We heard horms now run D6+3 but can't assault after running.

Warriors were rumored to have eternal warrior. Any truth to that?

 xttz wrote:
A better Haruspex image:

I just grunted/sighed in pleasure after seeing this picture. The thing just looks like an absolute brute that will eat anything and everything that's in it's way. I can see these creatures getting a special rule that's akin to a rhino charge (not the SM vehicle, a real life rhino) much like a Mumakil special rule from LOTR

The flyers look so good, both versions in my eyes are looking good, glad we finally get a model.

The new tyrant guard I'm a bit skeptical on, I like the way the shoulders are, they're meant to be living shields and now they actually look like it, but they look somewhat ponderous and a bit to slow, however that's probably just from the only image we've got so I'm pretty sure my opinion will change when we get more images. Also they way in which the shoulders are "opening up" almost reminds me off a beetle before it starts to fly, maybe we get flying guard that accompany a flyrant...

In short, I want them, I want them all

I'll wait to see the models in the flesh before I judge, GW always seem to mess up on the photography side if things these day, always uninspiring in my books.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
...Stuff...

Sarcasm, great way of starting an argument I'll stop being a troll now......

 tomball0706 wrote:

The new tyrant guard I'm a bit skeptical on, I like the way the shoulders are...

For anyone saying this about the Tyrant Guard... remember that they share their kit with the Hive Guard and it's pretty likely those shoulder pauldrons are separate parts than can just be left off the model if you prefer.

 xttz wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:

The new tyrant guard I'm a bit skeptical on, I like the way the shoulders are...

For anyone saying this about the Tyrant Guard... remember that they share their kit with the Hive Guard and it's pretty likely those shoulder pauldrons are separate parts than can just be left off the model if you prefer.

This was my first though, however I like the beetle idea someone just suggested.

Anyone else notice that the dude that leaked the photos on 4chan said that Gargoyles are listed in the Troops section?
Carnifexes about 110-120 points each.
Tyrannofexes are 205 with Rupture Cannons (60 point drop!).
A 2xTL Brainleech Devourer, Wings, Psychic Mastery Level 2 Hive Tyrant is 230 points, 30 points cheaper than a ML1 Hive Tyrant equipped the same way. Crazy!
Trygon Prime is 230 points (10 point drop).

Eldercaveman wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:

The new tyrant guard I'm a bit skeptical on, I like the way the shoulders are...

For anyone saying this about the Tyrant Guard... remember that they share their kit with the Hive Guard and it's pretty likely those shoulder pauldrons are separate parts than can just be left off the model if you prefer.

This was my first though, however I like the beetle idea someone just suggested.

good point about the pauldrons, though I'll love them knowing me as soon as I more pictures

The idea about flying beetle like guard is making me way to happy