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PastelAvenger wrote:
Why does every new head have its tongue sticking out? It just looks ridiculous in my eyes.

Because deep down, Nids are just like little puppies who just want to lick andchew everything

I am positive now after looking at the bits that that Warrior is wielding the MC Venom Cannon.

They probably just removed the Stranglethorn and Heavy Venom cannon and just made everything the original Strangler and regular Venom Cannon.

rollawaythestone wrote:Y'know, it's also interesting to note that the Venom Cannon actually looks like a Heavy Venom Cannon. Very cool if the Warriors got access to the MC level heavy weapons.

ergotoxin wrote:Wow, you are right! That venom cannon looks more like a Heavy Venom Cannon as well, by the way.

rollawaythestone wrote:Either that or they dropped the Warrior level upgrades, and consolidated the Barbed Strangler into the Stranglethron, and combined the two Venom Cannons. Might make sense that this happened, given they re-did the Warrior kit, and the Warrior's were the only ones that got the little Venom Cannon and the Barbed Strangler.

Again, prior to the Cruddace codex, there were no "heavy venom cannons" or "stranglethorn cannons". Warriors and MCs had access to the same weapons, using the same bits. The stats on the weapon were derived from the stats of the beastie holding it, so there was no need for separate weapons.

PastelAvenger wrote:
Why does every new head have its tongue sticking out? It just looks ridiculous in my eyes. The concepts are all great and definitely an improvement though.

Maybe they use their tongues as a sense receptor like snakes? They need to lick the air to see where the food is!

 streamdragon wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:Y'know, it's also interesting to note that the Venom Cannon actually looks like a Heavy Venom Cannon. Very cool if the Warriors got access to the MC level heavy weapons.

ergotoxin wrote:Wow, you are right! That venom cannon looks more like a Heavy Venom Cannon as well, by the way.

rollawaythestone wrote:Either that or they dropped the Warrior level upgrades, and consolidated the Barbed Strangler into the Stranglethron, and combined the two Venom Cannons. Might make sense that this happened, given they re-did the Warrior kit, and the Warrior's were the only ones that got the little Venom Cannon and the Barbed Strangler.

Again, prior to the Cruddace codex, there were no "heavy venom cannons" or "stranglethorn cannons". Warriors and MCs had access to the same weapons, using the same bits. The stats on the weapon were derived from the stats of the beastie holding it, so there was no need for separate weapons.

That may be true, but there are two separate bits. Strangler/Venom Cannon made for Warriors, and ones made for MC's. The warrior kit either removed the Warrior-sized weapons, or they got access to stronger weapons.

Maybe it's just me, but all of these new designs look very chunky and kind of cartoony.

And are the 'Gaunts and 'Gants being relegated to online only now? Where's the sense in making your army's basic fodder troops web exclusives?

 Barzam wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but all of these new designs look very chunky and kind of cartoony.

And are the 'Gaunts and 'Gants being relegated to online only now? Where's the sense in making your army's basic fodder troops web exclusives?

It seems to me that only the special 20 Gant/Guant kit will be online only. They will probably continue selling the 12 Gant/Gaunt kit in stores.

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 brassangel wrote:


If every army played the exact same way (like in FoW or WM/H)?

Not to derail this thread, but I'm sorry, but you lost all credibility for whatever argument you were trying to make with that statement. If you played either of those two games, you would know that this isn't the case at all.

rollawaythestone wrote:
Y'know, it's also interesting to note that the Venom Cannon actually looks like a Heavy Venom Cannon. Very cool if the Warriors got access to the MC level heavy weapons.

Hmmm.

any clues as to what the future is for pod-heavy lists? Losing mycetic spores could have massive implications, how come no discussion?

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
any clues as to what the future is for pod-heavy lists? Losing mycetic spores could have massive implications, how come no discussion?

What's to discuss? The only place I routinely used a pod was to deliver the Doom; if he's gone, I won't miss the pod as much. Really, it's a question of delivery mechanisms available - if Tyranids lose pods & assault-from-reserve Ymgarl, then everything else needs to get a lot faster, or a lot cheaper.

If they FIX the Trygon tunnel mechanic, much will be forgiven.

Because its all conjecture at this point. I'm hoping they weren't removed (and I actually find it kinda surprising that they would remove it as well as some of the special characters, that would be a first for 6th edition I think).

rollawaythestone wrote:
That may be true, but there are two separate bits. Strangler/Venom Cannon made for Warriors, and ones made for MC's. The warrior kit either removed the Warrior-sized weapons, or they got access to stronger weapons.

I literally had to go into my closet of shame to see the small difference in weapons. Had no idea there was any difference at all, but the scales are definitely there on the latest Fex/Tyrant models, but not on the original weapon my tyrant carries.

Not sure how much stock I'd put in the change of weapon bit though.

 Janthkin wrote:

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
any clues as to what the future is for pod-heavy lists? Losing mycetic spores could have massive implications, how come no discussion?

What's to discuss? The only place I routinely used a pod was to deliver the Doom; if he's gone, I won't miss the pod as much.

If they FIX the Trygon tunnel mechanic, much will be forgiven.

Trygon tunnels: yes.

But we pod in Zoanthropes, sometimes the doom, and dakkafexes... seems so old-fashioned to walk 'em on. Yup, so much more we need to know.

I hope we don't lose the distinction between the Barbed Strangler and the Stranglethorn, if only because Stranglethorn was a cool name and one of the few cool new things the last 'Nid Codex came up with.

Any information on 6E's versions of the Biovore/Pyrovore, or are the two new monsters replacing it?

Don't troll. Last warning. --Janthkin

Anyway, back on topic:

The Vanguard Dataslate sounds interesting and carries a lot of potential. Fun new way to field Lictors and Genestealers? About time!

Just for the record:

anonymous source over at Faeit 212 wrote:two new dataslates coming alongside tyranids next month. you might find it interesting that they are called codex dataslates. not sure what that means.

-Codex Dataslate: Tyranid Vanguard
advanced force of lictors, genestealers and more

-Codex Dataslate: Tyrannic War Veterans
Chaplin Cassius and his elite forces

Also, this seems to be the first Codex release with no new model below 50$, correct?

I bought a Tyrant Guard today. I explained to the guy in GW (normally I don't buy directly from them, but Tyrant Guard are out of my normal retailers and I was in GW anyway) that I wanted one of the 5th models before they became unavailable, and he told me quite nonchalantly that the new models look great.

It's not worth much, but it seems that GW employees are allowed to say such things, at this point. That's actually why I came to check this thread, because I hadn't seen the Tyrant Guard picture at that point.

It'll be weird to own OOP models. My best friend's dad has been a Tyranid/SM player since Rogue Trader, so aforementioned friend has a whole pile of ancient Tyranid models, such as the hilarious waving Tyrant Guard. It's weird in a good way, though. It makes me start to feel like a veteran player. *tear*

EDIT: I wonder if Tyrannic Veterans could serve as Deathwatch.

Eldercaveman wrote:

Oh no! he terrible Toothed Vagina Monster!
(Damn you GW, how the heck am I going to scratchbuild THAT?)

I think the reason there's nothing under $50 is because there aer no character models. How long has it been since we've had a release with no single characters (FineCost or otherwise)? Makes me hope that there is a second wave, although I suspect that if there was some of those models might have shown up in the Battle Report.

Actually, that's a better question for those who can remember:


Did the stuff in the Dark Elf second wave show up in their Army Book or in WD before they went up for pre-order?

They were in the army book. (wave II)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think the reason there's nothing under $50 is because there aer no character models. How long has it been since we've had a release with no single characters (FineCost or otherwise)?

Actually, there have been: Doom and Parasite. But instead of providing models, GW rather deleted the units (as current rumours indicate).

And in principle, it is not impossible to release models for less than 50$, see the vast majority of current Tyranid models (actually everything non-monstrous).

 Kroothawk wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think the reason there's nothing under $50 is because there aer no character models. How long has it been since we've had a release with no single characters (FineCost or otherwise)?

Actually, there have been: Doom and Parasite. But instead of providing models, GW rather deleted the units (as current rumours indicate).

And in principle, it is not impossible to release models for less than 50$, see the vast majority of current Tyranid models.

Your response doesn't make sense. H.B.M.C. is saying that there are no character models in this release. Not that there are no character models period, so your response ends up being a non-sequitor.

As for models under $50, GW has made all of those and released them (gaunts, gants, etc). They exist in the range already. They are working on big new stuff already. Actually, this is a better point than I thought. Previous re-releases of armies have focused on the core troops that you need a lot of. (Gants, gants, Cadians, Chaos Marines, etc.) The 'cheap' stuff. Once that's done, you move on in later re-releases to the big new flashy stuff. That could explain some (not all) of the price creep. I.e. GW long ago finished the 'cheap, need lots' models and are moving onto the 'don't need a lot but so we charge more' for models.

Rumor has it that there are several mutations/wargear that's available for the army. Some of them will be a one-per-army mutation/wargear.

For all we know, some of these one-ofs will give us the ability to field essentially a Doom or Parasite without having their own listings. Give a Zoanthrope a "Spirit Leech" mutation or a Prime a "Ripper Host + Wings" mutation and it's all good.

After all, the Eldar got a piece of wargear that essentially allowed you to field a Solitaire without releasing a specific model for it.

THAT'S the Haruspex? Excuse me while I wipe up. Somebody at GW owes a HUGE dept to H. P. Lovecraft.

 warpcrafter wrote:
THAT'S the Haruspex? Excuse me while I wipe up. Somebody at GW owes a HUGE dept to H. P. Lovecraft.

This just in. All art is derivative. Back to you, Bob.

I think, Tyranids are the first victim of the new no-Finecast policy, that eventually will reduce all HQ Codex entries to just a handfull plastic blisters/boxes. This Codex will probably be the first with less HQ entries than its predecessor.

 Kroothawk wrote:
I think, Tyranids are the first victim of the new no-Finecast policy, that eventually will reduce all HQ Codex entries to just a handfull plastic blisters/boxes. This Codex will probably be the first with less HQ entries than its predecessor.

It's possible. Right now we have the Tyrant, Swarmlord, Prime, Tervigon, and the rumoured Trygon Prime in HQ. While rumors have it that we lost the Parasite. So as we guess now, we still have 6 HQ's in the slot.