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 Janthkin wrote:
Enough with the "Eternal Warrior" discussion. It's wish-listing, at best.

Well nice to see the new picture the stuff looks pretty good to me.
The prices actually seem fairly reasonable not a huge increase in price and the boxes of 20 models for the brood at $33 bucks seems like a pretty good deals actually.

I think the models are nice and everything looks like its shaping up nicely!

Please don't post meme images without adding content; we treat such posts as spam on Dakka. --Janthkin

Ferros wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 gigasnail wrote:
no one cares about a fluff explanation for it, we'd just like the models to be a useful unit.

Pretty much this. And I quite like the idea of the Hive Mind puppeting bugs beyond their bodies' breaking point.

Spoiler:

How fitting. GW is going to be selling us tons of DLC soon, don't you worry.

 Absolutionis wrote:

Ferros wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 gigasnail wrote:
no one cares about a fluff explanation for it, we'd just like the models to be a useful unit.

Pretty much this. And I quite like the idea of the Hive Mind puppeting bugs beyond their bodies' breaking point.

Spoiler:

How fitting. GW is going to be selling us tons of DLC soon, don't you worry.

I thought they were already sorta-kinda doing that with their supplements...

Here is what an anonymous source over at Faeit212 suggest as content for the Tyranid swarm box:
40 Termagaunts
40 Hormagaunts
10 Gargoyles
1 Carnifex-with the options for One Eye
4 Ripper Swarms

 Formosa wrote:
I will call my mate ans just ask him if he can tell me what synapse does, that will probably sort out this whole ew thing

Maybe ask him about Doom, Parasite and Mycetic spores as well (whether those are still in the codex that is).

Yeah the giant crab thing stuck in my head because of the model, it had a grab attack thing I think worked like that blood angel gun, it also looked like bugs had universal access to basic biomorphs like space marine and special weapons in the army list "x can take any of the biomorphs from the x list" or something

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
I will call my mate ans just ask him if he can tell me what synapse does, that will probably sort out this whole ew thing

Maybe ask him about Doom, Parasite and Mycetic spores as well (whether those are still in the codex that is).

...and whether or not the Doom/Parasite exists in spirit in wargear form.

Zookie wrote:
Here's a question about those leaked rule images (Termagants, Warriors and Stealers). If they are legit where did they come from? Has GW started printing copies? If so are they starting to ship? Was it from an advanced copy? A draft copy? Test print? What was the most likely source?

Where is this image? I haven't been able to find it anywhere

 SHUPPET wrote:

Zookie wrote:
Here's a question about those leaked rule images (Termagants, Warriors and Stealers). If they are legit where did they come from? Has GW started printing copies? If so are they starting to ship? Was it from an advanced copy? A draft copy? Test print? What was the most likely source?

Where is this image? I haven't been able to find it anywhere

http://i.imgur.com/8wjxYsf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UAqzUBO.jpg

They're just snippets of the codex printed inside the new WD, hence the poor quality.

Genestealers lost Brood Telepathy?

Eldercaveman wrote:
Genestealers lost Brood Telepathy?

To be fair, it literally did nothing. They still lack instinctive behaviour.

Eyjio wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
Genestealers lost Brood Telepathy?

To be fair, it literally did nothing. They still lack instinctive behaviour.

I suppose having that rule, or not having Instinctive Behaviour are one and the same.

Ymgarls aren't an upgrade unit in the profile, so hopefully they still have their own profile.

Interesting note on the new tyrant guard. Looking at the new picture it seems like the new plate are a simple add on pieces. So, you can either ellect to keep them or hopefully they will be easy to fit on the old tyrant guard. Possibly meaning that if I buy a single box of hive/tyrant guard I can update my old ones while building more hive guard.

Zookie wrote:
Here's a question about those leaked rule images (Termagants, Warriors and Stealers). If they are legit where did they come from? Has GW started printing copies? If so are they starting to ship? Was it from an advanced copy? A draft copy? Test print? What was the most likely source?

The books are likely printed well in advance so that they can have them ready for packaging and shipping on time. If we're looking at a January release for the codex and models, the models and the books are long since printed.

Ever since I saw the Warrior and Stealer sections from WD, I've had the feeling that Tyranids were going to get more of a tweak than overhaul. It's the norm for 6th edition anyway. It probably means some things won't get "fixed" but hopefully that means some other things don't get nerfed.

I'd love to see Warriors become a really strong choice, but again GW has a long tradition of overpricing non-MC multiwounds. It is what it is. *shrug*

honestly everyone getting hung up on EW is a little extreme in my opinion I honestly would be happy with an invuln save of some kind for synapse creatures. It could be more easily written in then EW all the would have to say is due to the hive minds infinite experience with combat it is able to predict the actions of opponents before the move, or something along those lines and that in itself would increase warrior durability enough to justify bringing them.

 Janthkin wrote:
Enough with the "Eternal Warrior" discussion. It's wish-listing, at best.

See above!

 gorgon wrote:
Ever since I saw the Warrior and Stealer sections from WD, I've had the feeling that Tyranids were going to get more of a tweak than overhaul. It's the norm for 6th edition anyway. It probably means some things won't get "fixed" but hopefully that means some other things don't get nerfed.

I'd love to see Warriors become a really strong choice, but again GW has a long tradition of overpricing non-MC multiwounds. It is what it is. *shrug*

at least according to rumors we have seen some major price drops across the board so far. I've honestly given up hope that Warriros will be viable in this dex, I guess we can hold out for four more years.

Overall, as long as we aren't shoehorned into one or two builds, and get a lot of good options I'll be really happy.

Honestly my thoughts for the new codex is "how cheap will it be to upgrade my army?"

There are 4 new kits:

Warriors seem to be pretty bad still, will not buy.
H/T Guard will be useful, but I don't like walking Tyrants and I already have 6 Hive Guard, so I anticipate being fine there.
New big MC will most likely have one of its variants be great. I'll have to buy at least one.
Harpy/Crone will also have one variant be noticeably better, so I'll have to buy one.
Codex (must buy)

So, if I can keep it around or below $200 to transition my army from 5th to 6th, I'll be happy. Maybe even less if I decide other units are better that were already existing, as I have a pretty decent collection... one can hope.

 Sasori wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Ever since I saw the Warrior and Stealer sections from WD, I've had the feeling that Tyranids were going to get more of a tweak than overhaul. It's the norm for 6th edition anyway. It probably means some things won't get "fixed" but hopefully that means some other things don't get nerfed.

I'd love to see Warriors become a really strong choice, but again GW has a long tradition of overpricing non-MC multiwounds. It is what it is. *shrug*

at least according to rumors we have seen some major price drops across the board so far. I've honestly given up hope that Warriros will be viable in this dex, I guess we can hold out for four more years.

Overall, as long as we aren't shoehorned into one or two builds, and get a lot of good options I'll be really happy.

So the tweaks are:
1.) You may buy more models (same as before but less points)
2.) You may buy new models (new rules made to make it a must buy for competitive play).

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Ever since I saw the Warrior and Stealer sections from WD, I've had the feeling that Tyranids were going to get more of a tweak than overhaul. It's the norm for 6th edition anyway. It probably means some things won't get "fixed" but hopefully that means some other things don't get nerfed.

I'd love to see Warriors become a really strong choice, but again GW has a long tradition of overpricing non-MC multiwounds. It is what it is. *shrug*

at least according to rumors we have seen some major price drops across the board so far. I've honestly given up hope that Warriros will be viable in this dex, I guess we can hold out for four more years.

Overall, as long as we aren't shoehorned into one or two builds, and get a lot of good options I'll be really happy.

So the tweaks are:
1.) You may buy more models (same as before but less points)
2.) You may buy new models (new rules made to make it a must buy for competitive play).

Would you honestly prefer:

3.) All the new stuff sucks and none of the existing models are getting new versions so you don't need to buy anything but your existing army becomes 12.6% stronger.

that Haruspex looks horiffic.... I like it

Hmm this or iron hands....

I can't quite make out the mastery levelof the brood

Is it 2?

 Kroothawk wrote:

1.) You may buy more models (same as before but less points)
2.) You may buy new models (new rules made to make it a must buy for competitive play).

But.... if everyone who like Tyranids buys a few new models, is that such a terrible thing?

Because we like tyranids don't we? We, despite all our reservations, want GW to continue in business, don't we?

Personally, I'm a little worried, about issues as to whether synapse brings EW - but I'll resent the £££ spent on tyranids a great deal less than I will the ££ spent on that dreadful Desolation of Smaug movie.

 Bloodhorror wrote:
I can't quite make out the mastery levelof the brood

Is it 2?

I'm pretty sure it's 1.

I feel like biomorphs are going to end up being the saving grace of the Tyranids

There was a rumor a while back that the Tyranid Prime's "retinue" of Warriors would be upped to T5. That alone would make EW overall unnecessary. Warriors' lack of resistance to power fists and missile launchers is all that's heavily holding them back.

Raveners and Shrikes can (and should) pick their assaults and don't need EW. Bonus if this retinue can have wings.

If vehicles can be exploded with one well-placed high Strength shot, the monstrous Tyranids' vulnerability to Force weapons is a decent trade-off for being able to eat multiple anti-tank weapons before going down.

Eternal Warrior is not necessary. At their cost, Warriors are essentially Tyranids' version of Terminators.

 Absolutionis wrote:
There was a rumor a while back that the Tyranid Prime's "retinue" of Warriors would be upped to T5. That alone would make EW overall unnecessary. Warriors' lack of resistance to power fists and missile launchers is all that's heavily holding them back.

Raveners and Shrikes can (and should) pick their assaults and don't need EW. Bonus if this retinue can have wings.

If vehicles can be exploded with one well-placed high Strength shot, the monstrous Tyranids' vulnerability to Force weapons is a decent trade-off for being able to eat multiple anti-tank weapons before going down.

Eternal Warrior is not necessary. At their cost, Warriors are essentially Tyranids' version of Terminators.

And this is a good thing? The consensus among me and other TEQ players is that Termies (loyalist and to a lesser degree CSM) are way over-costed this Gen...

 Absolutionis wrote:
Eternal Warrior is not necessary. At their cost, Warriors are essentially Tyranids' version of Terminators.

That's an interesting comparison, especially since terminators are poor. I don't disagree with the comparison, and the tyranid warriors suffer from all of the same flaws that terminators do, mainly, they are extremely vulnerable, point for point to both heavy AND small arms weapons.

Warriors CAN be good without eternal warrior, but they are need a 3+ save, or T5, or buffs available from other units need to make up for the lack of improvements to the warriors themselves. Of course, if that's the case, then you are just tossing buffs on a mediocre unit, when you could be buffing an actually GOOD unit and getting more mileage of them. If the venomthrope and the new tyranid psychic powers are extremely solid we could get some mileage out of them, but I'm not holding my breath.