Tyranid Release in January: GW pre-orders up, discussion starts pg 80

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**Souleater**

I was hoping the Exocrine would be the same height just bulkier. A little disappointing.

The new MCs are nice but don't have that wow factor for me.

Thanks for posting the pictures.

**Therion**

These new pictures are great. The Exorcrine could use a bit more aggressive looking head as the one it has is goofy in a similar way as the Biovore head is, but that's about an easy a fix as fixes go since Tyranids are a kitbasher's and convertor's dream these days. Other than that the model is great and the price can be explained with you having a ton of bits left over after constructing either variant. The flyer looks fantastic. I love how compact and yet so elegant it looks. It's one of my favorite Tyranid models now.

I wonder has there been any rumours about the rules for Pyrovores? Anyone knows? I think people were saying they'd get the torrent rule and a price drop but I've no idea if it was just wishlisting.

**Zach**

The Crone/Harpy bodies look too 'bulbous' for me. Like flying fat bumblebees instead of lean scary wasps.

**Redemption**

SHUPPET wrote:
Pretty sure this theory makes no sense. From business perspective, first step is making a cool model, this is going to increase sales. If the unit has bad rules, well, just give them good rules. Your crazy if you think Harpy is getting a makeover with this codex, and would be getting ignored if someone from GW's modelling team hadn't decided to model it. They aren't just sitting there like hmmm, can't make this model too big, the rules just aren't good enough to justify selling it

Hell its a dualkit so people have to only want either it or the Crone and its going to sell. It is going to cost them nowhere near as much as you think per kit to spread the stuff out over a third sprue just to make the wings bigger if they desired - and if it did, they would just charge for it, and people WILL buy it.

No, they're limited in the number of sprues they can make in a new release - they even stated exactly that at the Eldar release (if they wanted to do plastic Jetbikes, they'd have to drop the new Wraithguard kit). Also adding an extra sprue to the box would have most likely raised the price to Wraithknight price levels (~$115/€90). Also consider that it's probably going to be a T5 4+ monster that will probably have to rely on cover to give it some survivability against AA, it would be weird to much larger than all the T6 stuff.

Therion wrote:
I wonder has there been any rumours about the rules for Pyrovores? Anyone knows? I think people were saying they'd get the torrent rule and a price drop but I've no idea if it was just wishlisting.

Considering any information that didn't come from the recent WD leaks as complete speculation and wishlisting is probably your best bet.

**SHUPPET**

Redemption wrote:
SHUPPET wrote:
Pretty sure this theory makes no sense. From business perspective, first step is making a cool model, this is going to increase sales. If the unit has bad rules, well, just give them good rules. Your crazy if you think Harpy is getting a makeover with this codex, and would be getting ignored if someone from GW's modelling team hadn't decided to model it. They aren't just sitting there like hmmm, can't make this model too big, the rules just aren't good enough to justify selling it

Hell its a dualkit so people have to only want either it or the Crone and its going to sell. It is going to cost them nowhere near as much as you think per kit to spread the stuff out over a third sprue just to make the wings bigger if they desired - and if it did, they would just charge for it, and people WILL buy it.

No, they're limited in the number of sprues they can make in a new release - they even stated exactly that at the Eldar release (if they wanted to do plastic Jetbikes, they'd have to drop the new Wraithguard kit). Also adding an extra sprue to the box would have most likely raised the price to Wraithknight price levels (~$115/€90). Also consider that it's probably going to be a T5 4+ monster that will probably have to rely on cover to give it some survivability against AA, it would be weird to much larger than all the T6 stuff.

Therion wrote:
I wonder has there been any rumours about the rules for Pyrovores? Anyone knows? I think people were saying they'd get the torrent rule and a price drop but I've no idea if it was just wishlisting.

Considering any information that didn't come from the recent WD leaks as complete speculation and wishlisting is probably your best bet.

This makes a lot more sense. The logic from my quoted post didn't make much sense, but I didn't know the facts behind it. TY for enlightening me.

I'm actually a huge fan of the Haruspex model, and suprised it hasn't had as much feedback. I guess that paint scheme is really bad, but I think the model itself is nice and I prefer it much more than the exocrine.

**Ratliker**

Don't see what not to like in Exocrine/haruspex being smaller. Lower profile = easier to find cover

**HoverBoy**

Or it can just dip it's toe in the edge of area terrain.

**streamdragon**

I actually like the exorcine being smaller than the Tyranofex. With the exorcine supposedly being artillery, it makes sense it would be smaller than the walking tank of a Tyranofex. Then again, I think that in terms of bulk it actually edges out the T-Fex because it doesn't have that tall skinny back end ala the Heirophant Bio-Titan.

So with C-Fexes coming two in a box, do we think unit size is 1-2 or 1-4 now? Seems odd to have a 1-3 unit size for a 2 model box.

Hive Guard - 3 per box (currently) in units of 1-3.
Raveners - 3 per box (currently) in units of 3-9 I think.
Warriors - 3 per box (currently) in units of 3-9.
Gargoyles - 10 per box, units of 10-30.

Granted, Terms and Horms are 12 per box with units of 10-30, but those are older sprues I believe?

**xttz**

streamdragon wrote:

So with C-Fexes coming two in a box, do we think unit size is 1-2 or 1-4 now? Seems odd to have a 1-3 unit size for a 2 model box.

I suspect it's a cost-cutting and stock-clearing exercise. I wouldn't be surprised if you only got 1 weapons sprue between the 2 Fexes in the box.

**xghostmakerx**

If the Exocrine is going to be smaller than the Terranofex why is if elected to be $13+ more?

**streamdragon**

xttz wrote:
streamdragon wrote:

So with C-Fexes coming two in a box, do we think unit size is 1-2 or 1-4 now? Seems odd to have a 1-3 unit size for a 2 model box.

I suspect it's a cost-cutting and stock-clearing exercise. I wouldn't be surprised if you only got 1 weapons sprue between the 2 Fexes in the box.

That would at least mean they'd be able to take different weapons, as the current rules dictate all Fexes in the same brood have to take the same gear.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

brassangel wrote:
Aren't there points costs associated with the stat line as well?

No. GW decide point costs and GW decide stat lines and GW has no obligation to make them match. For instance, a chaos space marine and a dominion cost the same, IIRC. The chaos space marine has +1BS, +1S, +1T, +1I, …

brassangel wrote:
It's possible they didn't want Celestine (who's already cheap for what she does)

She was cheap for what she did. Not anymore. Now, she is a little bit on the expensive side, but still so much better than our only generic HQ…

**Obsidorox**

streamdragon wrote:
xttz wrote:
streamdragon wrote:

So with C-Fexes coming two in a box, do we think unit size is 1-2 or 1-4 now? Seems odd to have a 1-3 unit size for a 2 model box.

I suspect it's a cost-cutting and stock-clearing exercise. I wouldn't be surprised if you only got 1 weapons sprue between the 2 Fexes in the box.

That would at least mean they'd be able to take different weapons, as the current rules dictate all Fexes in the same brood have to take the same gear.

Based on the leaked Tyranid warrior entry, if there isn't extra language in the biomorph upgrade section it looks like you can mix and match weapons. I think the only restriction was only one could purchase a weapon of the bio-canon list. Carnifex could follow the same trend.

**gorgon**

Regarding the Harpy/Crone kit, it looks like they took some design cues from the old Epic Harridan.

**The Miniature Man**

Hi,
I've just joined this forum, because i've noticed on the UK GW site the Hive Guard and Tyrant Guard have been removed.
Don't know if this means anything but i thought i'd share it anyway

**Sasori**

The Miniature Man wrote:
Hi,
I've just joined this forum, because i've noticed on the UK GW site the Hive Guard and Tyrant Guard have been removed.
Don't know if this means anything but i thought i'd share it anyway

I have a hunch that they will be combined in a new plastic kit that will be released in January. Just a hunch though.

**stonehorse**

Having seen the new picture of the Exocrine, I have to say that it looks like a much faster creature than the Tyrannofex. The powerful built legs seem more designed for speed. This could mean that the Haruspex is a fast Monstrous Creature as they share the same body design.

Annoyed that it is smaller than the Tyrannofex, would have loved to have a truly large monster to add to the Fleet.

The Swarm box seems to be a place addition to Tyranid forces. Also, as it comes with a single Carnifex, I think it is safe to say that they still come in Broods of 1+. Just need to have the price confirmed, if it is £100 that is a brilliant deal!

**Azreal13**

No such thing, in game terms, as a fast MC dude. Are you perhaps getting mixed up with Flying MC, or are you proposing there will be a new type?

**Sasori**

azreal13 wrote:
No such thing, in game terms, as a fast MC dude. Are you perhaps getting mixed up with Flying MC, or are you proposing there will be a new type?

He probably means a MC that is fast, I.E. Can move 12' instead of 6, or something a long those lines.

**stonehorse**

azreal13 wrote:
No such thing, in game terms, as a fast MC dude. Are you perhaps getting mixed up with Flying MC, or are you proposing there will be a new type?

Correct, still space for special rules to allow for faster movement. Whether that be a special assault rule, or moves 12" in the movement phase.

**BeeCee**

Much like the maulerfiend is a walker but can move 12"

**AesSedai**

The new shots are great.

The crone looks fine. The red paint scheme shot makes it look like an upsized gargoyle.

The new shot has turned the exocrine into a strong pass from a fail. I'm happy it bucks the trend of bigger, bigger, bigger. Derpy head is easily remedied, fluff be damned.

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PS. Thanks for some new content! Finally!

**stonehorse**

The more I look at the new pictures of the crone the more it is growing on me. I love the tail spike, that looks rather deadly, think the one painted in Behemoth colours gives a better feel for the model. The pale colour of Leviathan doesn't capture the size well I find.

**James811**

What's the latest on the exocrines proposed stats? 4 shots str7 ap2 or has that changed?

**Melcavuk**

Last rumour I saw said 6 shots or 1 large blast for the exocrine but that was a while back

**skkipper**

catharsix wrote:
BlaxicanX wrote:
brassangel wrote:

If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Or, stop not being able to afford it by planning accordingly.

This is just... one of the worst things I have seen someone say in awhile.

Thank you. If I can't afford it, I DON'T buy it. The fact that I can't afford it, and don't buy it does not change the fact that the recent price increases have been egregious. I'm not some kind of knee-jerk GW-hater. But I'd really like to see you somehow justify the shameless cash-grab policies that GW has been degenerating into lately.

-C6

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tetrisphreak wrote:
User "endobai" on warseer has posted with a couple cryptic messages that sound like they've had access to the January white dwarf, or possibly vendor pricing list. He inasmuch said he's seen the prices of the new kits.

In that same vein he said the price raise of the new warriors would be akin to the one space marine tacticals had, IE 37-40 bucks. The tac squad box came with a ton of new bits and the warrior box is expected to come with new bits too, i would maybe tentatively suggest it goes from $47 to $49.50 or $50.00 like terminators.

Either way, even if the price stays the same, something needs to be done with their rules to make them worth the same IN GAME as 5 terminators or wraith guard.

I actually was thinking about the new Tac. squad just after I posted my original comment. I like the wealth, and utility, of the new stuff added to that box. If this one comes with many useful new bits, a price increase would be more justified.

With that in mind, I'll suspend my (admittedly premature, since we don't know the new costs) judgement and wait to see the prices and contents of the new stuff.

That all said though, I don't think GW deserves the benefit of the doubt. At the very least, at 3 Warriors per box, it seems very unlikely that GW will pull a Dire Avengers and stick you with the same/higher price for less models.

-C6

Here is a games workshop defense on pricing. They are in a business to make money. They will continue to raise prices as long as they make money. This is what a business does. Could the sell them for less? Yes but why should they. They make good rules for new models and price them high. Would they have sold as many helldrakes if it was ap5 and not 360

**James811**

@brassangel

I've seen you say a lot of things that have annoyed people on here over the last few weeks, the quote skkipper has put of your words above this post are appalling. Some people barely get by month to month so affording it is not a choice, regardless of how much they 'plan accordingly'.

You deserve to be banned for what you have said. It is disgusting!

**pretre**

James811 wrote:
Some people barely get by month to month so affording it is not a choice, regardless of how much they 'plan accordingly'.

If you barely get by month-to-month, you might not want to have expensive hobbies like wargaming.

Also, banning people for their opinions is just silly.

**Maelstrom808**

skkipper wrote:
They make good rules for new models and price them high.

I needed a good chuckle today.

**James811**

I don't just get by thank you, I wasn't talking about me but if someone spoke to me that way I would not be happy if I was in that situation. And everyone deserves to do a little something they enjoy. And it wasn't his opinion, it was how he put it across as if they guy he was talking about had no capability of planning maybe he doesn't have enough regardless of how much he plans!