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 Ian Sturrock wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
The Army Requisition automatically interprets list building in a RAI fashion, so even if something such as the SM Chapter Relics debate comes up, and the force requisition says you can, then you can, as it was designed to allow this. Army Builder or other third party builders can only work from RAW or their own interpretation.

That is pretty useful. So basically you can show up with a digital, verified list if there's a shady rule that happens to have been interpreted in your favour, by the unpaid intern who coded the Army Requisition. Or if there's a shady rule that hasn't been interpreted in your favour, you can do an old-fashioned typed army list and printed codex, and just argue your case, as is traditional.

Well that is pretty Games Workshop -like indeed. I guess noone else came up with that before. A portable referee coded by an unpaid intern on his coffee break that can decide shady rules disputes in your favour without providing any logic or reasoning behind it. It's a reasonable alternative to the "Not even the designer who wrote this knew what he was thinking so let's roll D6 for it" dispute resolution mechanism.

So Genestealers lost Brood Telepathy then by the looks of it? Let's hope if they are indeed subject to Instinctive Behaviour that it's Feed and not Lurk.
I can see myself Infiltrating a couple of Genestealer broods into the opponent's deployment zone and instantly gaining Rage for +2 attacks on the charge first turn (if I go second). The opponent will have no choice but to pay attention to them or risk getting torn apart, meaning I can advance my Fexes while he's forced to deal with the Stealers.
Every cloud...

Enceladus wrote:
So Genestealers lost Brood Telepathy then by the looks of it? Let's hope if they are indeed subject to Instinctive Behaviour that it's Feed and not Lurk.
I can see myself Infiltrating a couple of Genestealer broods into the opponent's deployment zone and instantly gaining Rage for +2 attacks on the charge first turn (if I go second). The opponent will have no choice but to pay attention to them or risk getting torn apart, meaning I can advance my Fexes while he's forced to deal with the Stealers.
Every cloud...

Brood Telepathy did nothing anyway, it was just a placeholder rule that basically said "hey we deliberately left out instinctive behaviour". This time they're simply not listing Instinctive Behaviour next to Genestealers so you know it doesn't apply.
This new codex seems to be removing that all the other pointless rules that do nothing, like Teeth and Claws or armour types.

To those who think that because Adrenal gland gives fleet on models that allready got fleet, they will have somekind of upgrade.

Axe of Blind Fury on a Khorne Lord...nuff said

Looking at those point values, they tend to fall in line with MC upgrade costs. Is anyone besides me getting the feeling they may have upgraded the Broodlord to MC status, however unlikely it is?

nidsNguard wrote:
Looking at those point values, they tend to fall in line with MC upgrade costs. Is anyone besides me getting the feeling they may have upgraded the Broodlord to MC status, however unlikely it is?

No -- His unit type is Infantry.

There's more to this picture than we're seeing, otherwise the upgrade costs are completely out of sync with in-game usefulness.

Also I keep seeing Robin Cruddace's name pop up as the "true" author (White dwarf lists the author as the "games workshop design team"). Could this be a horrible nightmare? 4-5 more years of a Crud-dex??????

Those upgrades don't look like they are from that page.


Maybe it was a silly link or something equally odd.

Maybe it is just me.

This is why I prefer the old 5th Ed army lists to this "Armoury" idea. Sure, it works for something like Marines, where all the stats are pretty even, and the weapon gives the same benefit to all, but for something like Nids where something may be awesome and totally worth it on one thing, like Fleet on your Carnifex, but useless on another, like Fleet on the already fleet genestealers for example, just to nab the Furious Charge, if that's indeed what it does.

Personally I think Adrenal Glands will be something like Rage, and IB-Feed will go back to being something like it was in 5th Ed. After all, the rules only changed because the rule granted was changed by a new edition.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

nidsNguard wrote:
Looking at those point values, they tend to fall in line with MC upgrade costs. Is anyone besides me getting the feeling they may have upgraded the Broodlord to MC status, however unlikely it is?

No -- His unit type is Infantry.

Couldn't find that on any of the leaked scans/screenshots. People are throwing around the idea of tyrant guard being upgraded to MC status so its not implausible that the BL might be too. Again, all speculation but it would seem to make the upgrades worth it.

We CSm we get Furious Charge and reroll to assault distance with the icon of Wrath.

Zerkers can take the Icon of Wrath.

Zerkers allready have Furious Charge.

Zerkers doesn't get anything else to replace the FC of the Icon, they only get the privilege of paying 50% of something that they allready have.

Welcome to the Ponyland of Games Workshop, where you pay for rules you allready have.

nidsNguard wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

nidsNguard wrote:
Looking at those point values, they tend to fall in line with MC upgrade costs. Is anyone besides me getting the feeling they may have upgraded the Broodlord to MC status, however unlikely it is?

No -- His unit type is Infantry.

Couldn't find that on any of the leaked scans/screenshots. People are throwing around the idea of tyrant guard being upgraded to MC status so its not implausible that the BL might be too. Again, all speculation but it would seem to make the upgrades worth it.

They are new sculpts on 50mm bases though, so its got basis. Broodlord is still the same sculpt and on a 40mm. The only MC currently on a 40mm is the Avatar IIRC and C'tan Shards, and the Transcendent C'tan on the flying base but whatever.

 Deadshot wrote:
This is why I prefer the old 5th Ed army lists to this "Armoury" idea. Sure, it works for something like Marines, where all the stats are pretty even, and the weapon gives the same benefit to all, but for something like Nids where something may be awesome and totally worth it on one thing, like Fleet on your Carnifex, but useless on another, like Fleet on the already fleet genestealers for example, just to nab the Furious Charge, if that's indeed what it does.

I would agree in this specific case. Tyranids do not have an armoury, they have organs grown by and attached to specific creatures, so the armoury concept is inherently invalid for them where it is not for other factions.

Slayer le boucher wrote:We CSm we get Furious Charge and reroll to assault distance with the icon of Wrath.

Zerkers can take the Icon of Wrath.

Zerkers allready have Furious Charge.

Zerkers doesn't get anything else to replace the FC of the Icon, they only get the privilege of paying 50% of something that they allready have.

Welcome to the Ponyland of Games Workshop, where you pay for rules you allready have.

That's just bad writing, no getting around that. Best we can hope for is that AG on units with fleet already either get a discount (which we know didn't happen) or it give something else to them (rampage isn't likely, but rage isn't impossible). Just hope GW doesn't space out on this one.

nidsNguard wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

nidsNguard wrote:
Looking at those point values, they tend to fall in line with MC upgrade costs. Is anyone besides me getting the feeling they may have upgraded the Broodlord to MC status, however unlikely it is?

No -- His unit type is Infantry.

Couldn't find that on any of the leaked scans/screenshots. People are throwing around the idea of tyrant guard being upgraded to MC status so its not implausible that the BL might be too. Again, all speculation but it would seem to make the upgrades worth it.

There's exactly zero chance guard are MCs now. I mean, they COULD be, there's a precedent sub-60 point monstrous creatures in Tomb spiders. They will have access to crushing claws (which is going to be the tyranid powerfist basically) but that's all the evidence we have, since crushing claws were MC only in the fifth book.

nidsNguard wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

nidsNguard wrote:
Looking at those point values, they tend to fall in line with MC upgrade costs. Is anyone besides me getting the feeling they may have upgraded the Broodlord to MC status, however unlikely it is?

No -- His unit type is Infantry.

Couldn't find that on any of the leaked scans/screenshots. People are throwing around the idea of tyrant guard being upgraded to MC status so its not implausible that the BL might be too. Again, all speculation but it would seem to make the upgrades worth it.

Page 27 of the January white dwarf, preview pictures of the tyranid codex.

Tyranids Codex, 6th edition, page 43 wrote:

...Unit Type: Infantry, Broodlord is Infantry, Character.

I assure you with 100% certainty the broodlord is NOT a monstrous creature.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
We CSm we get Furious Charge and reroll to assault distance with the icon of Wrath.

Zerkers can take the Icon of Wrath.

Zerkers allready have Furious Charge.

Zerkers doesn't get anything else to replace the FC of the Icon, they only get the privilege of paying 50% of something that they allready have.

Welcome to the Ponyland of Games Workshop, where you pay for rules you allready have.

You forgot one detail

Zerkers get the Icon of Wrath for 5 points cheaper then CSM -- presumably because they already have furious charge.

You are proving the point people are trying to make about one size fits all costs on wargear pages. If the Icon had been on a wargear page then that sort of adjustment wouldn't have happened. Like say broodlords paying MC prices for adrenal glands.

Thanks for that tetrisphreak. Like I said, it was just a shot in the dark to try and make those point costs make sense

nidsNguard wrote:
Looking at those point values, they tend to fall in line with MC upgrade costs. Is anyone besides me getting the feeling they may have upgraded the Broodlord to MC status, however unlikely it is?

I don't think they upgraded him to MC status but it reads like that is the "independent character table".

 Kanluwen wrote:

nidsNguard wrote:
Looking at those point values, they tend to fall in line with MC upgrade costs. Is anyone besides me getting the feeling they may have upgraded the Broodlord to MC status, however unlikely it is?

I don't think they upgraded him to MC status but it reads like that is the "independent character table".

I wish...I read it more like a veteran sergeant access to the armory type of selection.

Mr. Broody also isn't listed under any of the many lists of HQs that we've seen.

Does it look like a cc flyrant will be more viable now that we have the Crone?

Noctem wrote:
Does it look like a cc flyrant will be more viable now that we have the Crone?

He's viable now...

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
To those who think that because Adrenal gland gives fleet on models that allready got fleet, they will have somekind of upgrade.

Axe of Blind Fury on a Khorne Lord...nuff said

True but seem an odd upgrade in an army where fleet is fairy common. But you are right, it is quite possible that is all it will be.

 ductvader wrote:

Noctem wrote:
Does it look like a cc flyrant will be more viable now that we have the Crone?

He's viable now...

I guess that's why I said more viable, but I just see everyone uses devouerers

 ductvader wrote:

Noctem wrote:
Does it look like a cc flyrant will be more viable now that we have the Crone?

He's viable now...

Looking like they are taking away his access to biomancy according to the guy that has the book. So maybe not so viable, unless it got a massive points drop.

Noctem wrote:

 ductvader wrote:

Noctem wrote:
Does it look like a cc flyrant will be more viable now that we have the Crone?

He's viable now...

I guess that's why I said more viable, but I just see everyone uses devouerers

My bad, I think the codex wide 20% pt reduction alone immediately allows for more flexibility in choices.

The addition of the crone will add another serious, in your face target for enemies to deal with. So CC tyrants will probably stand a better chance of getting close while still alive. Though I see vector striking/shooting FMC spam being much more viable.

Hmm..fleet, furious charge rippers with poison (4+) in CC for 23 points per base.

No sir, I don't see that being worth it. Not at all.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Hmm..fleet, furious charge rippers with poison (4+) in CC for 23 points per base.

No sir, I don't see that being worth it. Not at all.

Oh fleet son, made my night...I have 60 ripper bases.

 ductvader wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Hmm..fleet, furious charge rippers with poison (4+) in CC for 23 points per base.

No sir, I don't see that being worth it. Not at all.

Oh fleet son, made my night...I have 60 ripper bases.

Unless the FOC is changed you can only take 54 (6 broods x9 bases). And they're still swarms so no scoring. :-P. I might try a unit or two of them for lolz

Well I have more than 60...comes with owning hundreds of gants and hundreds of gaunts.

 The Shadow wrote:

Kirasu wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:

gorgon wrote:It sounds like some kind of funny cliche, but Tyranids have been through so many evolutions over the years that it's forced Tyranid players to become very good at adapting.

It all makes sense! GW are trying to make Tyranid players think like the Hive Mind!

Imposter101 wrote:This looks to be like another CSM situation. Pretty disappointing over all.

Meh, this annoys me as well. I remember how people were complaining about how utterly broken the Helldrake was and how CSM would kill us all. Now, "CSM are really bad".

An army can still be powerful in a tournament yet still be a complete failure of a book. GW doesnt like tournaments, therefore we should judge the book by how decent it is overall. CSM has so many completely useless entries and yes some good ones.

Point taken and I agree, just that the impression I get from many people is that they're shelving such and such an army because it's "terribad" or whatever, because they keeping getting beaten (no accusations of people being sore losers, by the way). They're not shelving it because it's mono-build.

Personally, since I've been using Tyranids again in 6th, I've had great success, often including some units people would call bad, like Hormagants and Venomthropes, and dropping the ones people view as auto-include, namely Hive Guard.

What? You've come into this thread and decided that's why people are shelving it so that you can label them whiners, even when almost every post has legitimate reasons and has mentioned the fact that we are being locked into one build and it's disappointing not to be able to use models that needed a buff in our new codex.

NOBODY thinks its going to be weak. Improvements to Flyrant, Tervigon, Carnifex, Tyrannofex, Termagants, new toys such as the Crone & Exocrine will certainly find their role as well.

It's just going to be boring having the large list of useless models from the 5E codex actually grow LARGER in this edition. And it's almost ALL of our infantry units, there is I think two exceptions.


CSM is a terrible codex, and the same complaints there are accurate here if not more so. Telling CSM players that they have to rely on the Heldrake to be competitive is what I think we are about to become with the Crone. Except with even more basura in our dex than they have.