W40k : rumor of 7th edition for 2014 summer ! How on Earth ?!? * news p.45*

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**Bloodwin**

Sir Arun wrote:
Ah.

I know what GW is upto.

By removing the minirulebook, everyone not interested in the bigass BRB can buy their second offering: the "hardcover mini rulebook" like the one they brought for 6th that nobody really bought. lol

That version of the book was released ages ago, certainly before Christmas.

**Davor**

Brother SRM wrote:
I don't buy it. There's actually no way for the Marines to kill 5 Meganobz in that kit, and while the starter sets haven't been perfectly balanced, that seems a bit harsh. That and typical Faeit salt needs to be applied. All that and Dark Vengeance is still available on the website.

Oh come on. When ever were the box sets even? You mean it's not in favour for the SM for once? Is that so bad?

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pretre wrote:
Eldarain wrote:
The Ebay resales of the mini book probably burn like Holy Water amongst the Management.

Why? Each of those mini-books on eBay means that they sold a $100 box set.

Thing is, I believe the accountants don't see a $100 dollar box sold, but a $50 dollar book not sold. Go figure, seems like perfect GW logic.

**warboss**

$50 book? Where do you find that discount!? 2008?

**skarsol**

Brother SRM wrote:
pretre wrote:
Natfka's doubling down.
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/04/7th-edition-rule-changes.html

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
- 7th 40k edition is only a minor update
- 40k run is part of the movement phase
- assault distance is not influenced by terrain, but gives minus two to
initiative
- vector strikes allow armour saves, but deal one to six hits
- 40k uses a percentage system for the army list
- you can bring as many different allies as you want. You can spend a
fourth of your points on allies, but they also count as their normal
category
- you can bring three allies to a game and must choose one
- bikes can strike units in 1” in the movement phase without assaulting
just like chariots, but can attacked back
- fortification and lords of war rules are in, but no profiles
- you have to pass a initiative test to shoot overwatching, get minus three
to ballistic talent
- you can engage new unit after victory in melee, but enemy can shoot
overwatch again
- you can choose to flee if you are charged but can be destroyed
- if you want to run in 12” of enemy you have to pass a leadertest
- vehicles get no cover saves against infantry, only against other vehicles

I think I audibly said "what?" like three times reading that. Some of that is so nonsensical, like vehicles not getting cover saves from infantry (wtf?) and the wording on "you can bring three allies to a game and must choose one" whatever that means.

Logical Translation:
You may spend 1/4 of your total points on allied units but they consume FOC slots in the detachment they're allied with.
You may bring 3 sets of allies (of up to 1/4 of your points each) and at game time select the one you wish to use.

**wana10**

Add a dread or a land speeder to the space marine side and I'd believe it more. every starter box except one has included a vehicle to help new players get comfortable with the vehicle rules and i hope gw doesn't stop that practice.

**Samurai_Eduh**

skarsol wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:
pretre wrote:
Natfka's doubling down.
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/04/7th-edition-rule-changes.html

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
- 7th 40k edition is only a minor update
- 40k run is part of the movement phase
- assault distance is not influenced by terrain, but gives minus two to
initiative
- vector strikes allow armour saves, but deal one to six hits
- 40k uses a percentage system for the army list
- you can bring as many different allies as you want. You can spend a
fourth of your points on allies, but they also count as their normal
category
- you can bring three allies to a game and must choose one
- bikes can strike units in 1” in the movement phase without assaulting
just like chariots, but can attacked back
- fortification and lords of war rules are in, but no profiles
- you have to pass a initiative test to shoot overwatching, get minus three
to ballistic talent
- you can engage new unit after victory in melee, but enemy can shoot
overwatch again
- you can choose to flee if you are charged but can be destroyed
- if you want to run in 12” of enemy you have to pass a leadertest
- vehicles get no cover saves against infantry, only against other vehicles

I think I audibly said "what?" like three times reading that. Some of that is so nonsensical, like vehicles not getting cover saves from infantry (wtf?) and the wording on "you can bring three allies to a game and must choose one" whatever that means.

Logical Translation:
You may spend 1/4 of your total points on allied units but they consume FOC slots in the detachment they're allied with.
You may bring 3 sets of allies (of up to 1/4 of your points each) and at game time select the one you wish to use.

Thats how I read it too. An interesting idea, sort of like WarmaHordes where you have multiple lists.

**pretre**

skarsol wrote:
Logical Translation:
You may spend 1/4 of your total points on allied units but they consume FOC slots in the detachment they're allied with.
You may bring 3 sets of allies (of up to 1/4 of your points each) and at game time select the one you wish to use.

Hoo boy, sideboards.

**drbored**

pretre wrote:
skarsol wrote:
Logical Translation:
You may spend 1/4 of your total points on allied units but they consume FOC slots in the detachment they're allied with.
You may bring 3 sets of allies (of up to 1/4 of your points each) and at game time select the one you wish to use.

Hoo boy, sideboards.

I'm really hesitant to think sideboards are how it's going to fly.

Natfka said this was translated. I'm thinking that the actual translation is going to go something more like this:

You may bring up to 3 Detachments. Select one as your Primary (where you'd generate your Warlord, Warlord Traits, etc).

**Red Corsair**

I think the sideboards works out better for GW though. They would in essence make a 2000 point list into 3000. 1500 primary + 3 x 500 pick one of the 3 before the game. That milks allied sales even further. In the vein of allies I think it makes the game even more dynamic and would be cool if not for the nightmare for list checking and transporting.

**H.B.M.C.**

Vehicle rules are a deal-breaker for me. Always have been. Always will be. I skipped 5th because of its stupid vehicle rules. 6th vehicle rules are closer to what they should be. If they start adding in arbitrary nonsense like "Vehicles can only take cover saves vs shooting from vehicles", then I'm done (and that's before you even consider the things that should be vehicles - Riptides et. al.) and how this won't effect them at all, and just how arbitrary and silly that is.

pretre wrote:
Why? Each of those mini-books on eBay means that they sold a $100 box set.

Given GW's track record and their apparent hatred of eBay, do you honestly think they see it that way? They see it as a sale they didn't make (even if it is a sale they made originally).

**jonolikespie**

Of course GW see it that way. GW see sales made through FLGSs as lost sales because they didn't receive the full retail price for it...

**Harriticus**

Since 2009 I've learned any stupid or nonsensical sounding rumor is usually true because GW gonna GW.

**pretre**

Harriticus wrote:
Since 2009 I've learned any stupid or nonsensical sounding rumor is usually true because GW gonna GW.

THe facts would disagree. Most of the nonsensical stuff is just nonsensical.

**H.B.M.C.**

Yeah, I mean all that crazy stuff - ditching their entire metal line for resin, putting in an embargo/regional sales system, releasing English-only limited edition books, removing tons of core items from general release and making them direct only - those sorts of things are just crazy.

They'll never happen.

**pretre**

Stupid or Nonsensical is different than 'something I didn't like'. If we reparse his statement to say 'anytime I hear a rumor I don't like it's usually true' it's a bit different.

All of those decisions made sense from a cost cutting perspective just not from a pro-customer or hobby growth perspective.

Nonsensical/stupid rumors are the metal trucks rumor or the 'red shirt told me 30k starter set' type crap.

Then, of course, there's too good to be true rumors but that's another story...

**insaniak**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, I mean all that crazy stuff - ditching their entire metal line for resin, putting in an embargo/regional sales system, releasing English-only limited edition books, removing tons of core items from general release and making them direct only - those sorts of things are just crazy.

They'll never happen.

They'll happen when Cadians go plastic!

**bubber**

Re the rumour of the new box without a vehicle & the SM's being under-pointed - maybe they'll bring back the cardboard dread like in the first box set!!

**Ascalam**

Not so much underpointed, if they hold to tradition, as having about 1 1/2 times as much in points as the opponents, and wargear suitable for fighting them.

I still have that dread. Doesn't look that great, but you should see him turn sideways and vanish

**Wakshaani**

I'll have to see if I can dig Stubby out sometime. He's a ROgue Trader-era dread that got shipped out with Furioso legs, so short and squatty body for a lascannon, but has twin power fists/storm bolters, so he has kind of a gorilla look about him.

When 1st edition dropped, he had two tricks: One is that he could ride in a Rhino, since back then a Rhino could carry a single dread, and that was always a fun surprise, but the other was that, due to his unique build, he was able to fit through gate templates. Surprise Dreadnought! *FWOMP*

(The downside, of course, is that there were no rules for a double-puncher back then, but most people let me pay points as if he had a better weapon and go out there as he was, since a second punch was nowhere near as powerful as a missile launcher or a lascanon would have been. Ah, the days of olde...)

**Zweischneid**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, I mean all that crazy stuff - ditching their entire metal line for resin, putting in an embargo/regional sales system, releasing English-only limited edition books, removing tons of core items from general release and making them direct only - those sorts of things are just crazy.

They'll never happen.

Well, doesn't change that the trackrecord for rumours on rules/releases is poor.

Look at what Natfka predicted for the Eldar release last year

Spoiler:

And that is just one. Black Templar Codex with a large Dreadknight-style guy wielding a two-handed chainsword. Plastic Thunderhawk. The persistent FW-rolled-into-the-GW-store, the (not Faeit, but BoK) Inquisitor Skirmish Game, Supplements for White Scars, Hive Fleet Behomoth and Ultramarines, while he never saw things like Crimson Slaughter or Iron Hands coming....

It just goes on and on.

Not saying it might not be true, but unless 40KRadio backs it, I am gonna assume it is wrong.

**Backfire**

thesoupdragon wrote:
I just saw this over on Faeit 212, couldn't see it here so thought I'd share:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
40k 7th edition and the new starter kit Beachhead Stygia. It is small kit, with only five scouts, five blood angels, a commander with jump pack, five meganobs, 10 armoured ork shootas including a nob with two-handed axe and 10 gretchins. There are some destroyed columns, destroyed gothic stone walls and a three-piece stone bridge carried by gargoyles. It has a 96 page book, but only about the half is used for rules including three scenarios. Expert rules like all vehicle-related stuff are omitted completely. There are a handful of dice, a ruler, but no blast markers.

Sounds bizarre that they'd go back to old-style small 'starter sets', as their newer, complete sets have been a huge success. OTOH if it's real cheap, might be useful to hook up kids, and maybe that's what it's for, who knows??
And yeah, the makeup sounds even more unbalanced than DV. How do you stop 5 Meganobz with just few Scouts and Power armour marines?

I don't believe it, but if it's true, Plastic Meganobz, Hard Boyz and Jump Pack Commander, oh yeah.

**Zweischneid**

It doesn't.

Just as a reminder.... 40KRadio.. who have a pretty solid record, said that Dark Vengeance stays. Or at least, they said there was no new starter box.

Of course, it could be the final slip by 40KRadio after their success with Imperial Knights and the prediction of 40K 7th Edition in the first place.

But until they do slip, I'd not simply discount 40K Radio entirely.

40K Radio Rumour from January 27th

Some updates on 7th edition: 1) It will purely be a book release. 2) It could be released as early as May.

On the Chaos Space Marine Releases. 1) Look for the stuff to be released beginning of summer. 2) Crimson Slaughter(CSM in the DV starter) might receive a Supplement as well.

**schadenfreude**

pretre wrote:
Natfka's doubling down.
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/04/7th-edition-rule-changes.html

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
- 7th 40k edition is only a minor update
- 40k run is part of the movement phase
- assault distance is not influenced by terrain, but gives minus two to
initiative
- vector strikes allow armour saves, but deal one to six hits
- 40k uses a percentage system for the army list
- you can bring as many different allies as you want. You can spend a
fourth of your points on allies, but they also count as their normal
category
- you can bring three allies to a game and must choose one
- bikes can strike units in 1” in the movement phase without assaulting
just like chariots, but can attacked back
- fortification and lords of war rules are in, but no profiles
- you have to pass a initiative test to shoot overwatching, get minus three
to ballistic talent
- you can engage new unit after victory in melee, but enemy can shoot
overwatch again
- you can choose to flee if you are charged but can be destroyed
- if you want to run in 12” of enemy you have to pass a leadertest
- vehicles get no cover saves against infantry, only against other vehicles

More WHFB rules entering 40k. Here is how WHFB rules would translate.

WHFB over runs are not like 4th ed 40k. When units break in cc they make a fallback move and the unit in cc makes a chase move. If they catch the unit it's destroyed, and if they run into another unit while chasing them it's an overun that engages them in cc with the overun unit. Once engaged in CC the units do not actually fight until the next assault phase. This gives the charged unit's player an opportunity to move the rest of his army or charge a bunch of his other units into cc

Fallback moves from breaking in cc and flee as reaction to a charge go in the direction away from the charging unit.

Flee reactions are simple. The unit breaks in the same way it would from a failed morale test and falls back. After the fleeing unit completes it's fallback move the charging unit then rolls charge distance and destroys the fleeing unit if charge range is enough to catch them. The fleeing unit needs to roll to regroup at the start of it's turn as if it had failed a morale test, but there are exceptions to that rule.

After a unit makes it's fallback move from a flee the charging unit has the option to charge a different unit instead or continue charging the fleeing unit.

**Perfect Organism**

Backfire wrote:
How do you stop 5 Meganobz with just few Scouts and Power armour marines?

Nerf meganobs down to 3+ saves, give marines plenty of power swords and plasma pistols. GW loves releasing models with power swords and plasma pistols.

**schadenfreude**

Perfect Organism wrote:
Backfire wrote:
How do you stop 5 Meganobz with just few Scouts and Power armour marines?

Nerf meganobs down to 3+ saves, give marines plenty of power swords and plasma pistols. GW loves releasing models with power swords and plasma pistols.

Give the commander a power fist, melta pistol, and iron halo. Give the 5 marines a multi melta and the sergeant a combi melta. Mega nobs get ID with no invo saves.

**Avian**

That's a LOT of assumptions to make in order to get this sounding at least remotely possible.

**Kosake**

Well, maybe the marines get a kicking for once? But there was a second set of rumors without the meganobs, so I guess tough luck. Would be too nice to get some plastic megas though...

**Slaanesh-Devotee**

I like the idea of an I test or similar for Overwatch, and Ld checks for more stuff (running near enemy).

**schadenfreude**

Avian wrote:
That's a LOT of assumptions to make in order to get this sounding at least remotely possible.

The question was how could a jump pack hq, 5 marines, and 5 scouts take out 5 manz, not will GW balance the starter box. Given GW's history of favoring marines in a starter box the odds are good that the marines have something going for them.

**gorgon**

I don't trust the source at all, but actually a lot of the rumored rules changes sound reasonable and plausible if I understand them properly.

- 40k run is part of the movement phase
Speeds up the game.

- assault distance is not influenced by terrain, but gives minus two to initiative
Helps assaulters.

- vector strikes allow armour saves, but deal one to six hits
Minor nerf to FMCs.

- 40k uses a percentage system for the army list
- you can bring as many different allies as you want. You can spend a fourth of your points on allies, but they also count as their normal category
So a percentage system for each org chart category like in WFB? Presumably the second bullet means that allied units also count against their org chart category cap. Depending on the cap size, it could do a lot toward reining in deathstars and allies in general.

- you can bring three allies to a game and must choose one
Three detachments and must choose one to be primary?

- bikes can strike units in 1” in the movement phase without assaulting just like chariots, but can attacked back
WFB influence. Whatever.

- fortification and lords of war rules are in, but no profiles
Expected.

- you have to pass a initiative test to shoot overwatching, get minus three to ballistic talent
Helps assaulters.

- you can engage new unit after victory in melee, but enemy can shoot overwatch again
Helps assaulters.

- you can choose to flee if you are charged but can be destroyed
WFB influence. Whatever.

- if you want to run in 12” of enemy you have to pass a leadertest
WFB influence. Whatever.

- vehicles get no cover saves against infantry, only against other vehicles
Little bit of a headscratcher. But what if "against" actually means "from"?