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**Ahtman**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Those two reports contradict one another. One says it rose for the second week in a row and isn't the series low, and the other says its a series low.

Both say that it dropped, one just also says that it isn't a new low (1.9 versus 1.8) while the other does (1.7). I don't see either saying it went up from the previous week, which was listed as 2.0.

**H.B.M.C.**

Ahtman wrote:
I don't see either saying it went up from the previous week, which was listed as 2.0.

Umm...

"The final numbers are in and Marvel’s Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. has seen a rise of two tenths for a second week in a row."

**Ahtman**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
I don't see either saying it went up from the previous week, which was listed as 2.0.

Umm...

"The final numbers are in and Marvel’s Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. has seen a rise of two tenths for a second week in a row."

DOH. Even though it was the first listed it was the second one I saw, and just looked for the numbers.

**H.B.M.C.**

Hmm... I wonder if lower ratings could be due to the fact that a lot of people who would otherwise watch the show didn't specifically because they hadn't seen The Winter Soldier yet?

**Breotan**

TheMeanDM wrote:
Holy crap I did not see that twist!

I assuming you're talking about the last one?

Spoiler:

**bbb**

One thing I'm confused about is why Deathlok attacked the Shield safehouse with Garrett and Triplett. Was that a ruse to throw people off Garrett's tail? Does that mean that Triplett is really truely not a Hydra agent? After the end with Ward I'm not sure if Triplett wasn't just playing Hand when she showed up.

Will Triplett replace Ward on Coulson's team?

I hope they keep Ward evil and they don't wuss out. I think there's part of him that is smitten with Skye, but I don't want to see that turn him from the dark side.

Did Ward shoot the Fakevoyant on Garrett's orders? He had to know the Clairvoyant was Hydra, so I'd think that whole thing was a ruse.

**Platuan4th**

Considering Tripplett's reaction to Garret when he was being led away, I don't think Trip is or was Hydra at any point.

**ironicsilence**

I liked the episode overall, what I didnt like was the preview for next weeks episode... from the look of it ward is growing a beard....why is it every time a character turns evil they forget to shave?

**bbb**

ironicsilence wrote:
I liked the episode overall, what I didnt like was the preview for next weeks episode... from the look of it ward is growing a beard....why is it every time a character turns evil they forget to shave?

Wait a minute...are you saying Riker went to the dark side too?

**timetowaste85**

So, my boss is salivating at the mouth to find out who Ward actually is. He keeps telling me not to let him in on who I think he is. But based on what he's told me (I haven't watched yet), I suspect he has a Skull mask and a sword and shield combo. I told my boss that to torture him. It fits.

**Ahtman**

timetowaste85 wrote:
I suspect he has a Skull mask and a sword and shield combo.

Crossbones mixed with Baron Zemo with Caps shield? I think Ward is just Ward.

**bbb**

Ahtman wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
I suspect he has a Skull mask and a sword and shield combo.

Crossbones mixed with Baron Zemo with Caps shield? I think Ward is just Ward.

I think he means Taskmaster

http://marvel.com/universe/Taskmaster

**Grimskul**

Ahtman wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
I suspect he has a Skull mask and a sword and shield combo.

Crossbones mixed with Baron Zemo with Caps shield? I think Ward is just Ward.

*cough cough* Taskmaster *cough cough*

**Ahtman**

I was being a bit facetious because I don't think Ward is going to be a known comic character.

**ironicsilence**

Ahtman wrote:
I was being a bit facetious because I don't think Ward is going to be a known comic character.

agreed, i dont see them doing that kind of development on the show

**bbb**

I have a theory about how things might pan out in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but I'll put it in a spoiler tag just in case someone wants to skip it.

Spoiler:

**timetowaste85**

Yeah, I sincerely hope that was a joke.

I think Tasky is involved somehow, as the character biographies have enough similarities where you could draw some parallels. Identical? No. Similarities that still allow for the film universe to be its own self? Absolutely.

**H.B.M.C.**

Taskmaster is a difficult character to just introduce like that. Really? He has a sword and shield? And a bow and arrow? What???

Consider two other characters from the MCU - Deathlok and Crossbones. It took multiple episodes for Mike Peterson to become Deathlok, and it's still a gradual process of upgrades and extra bionics. Crossbones isn't even Crossbones yet in The Winter Soldier, but they show him surviving the events of TWS (in a horribly burned state) to give them the opportunity of developing him into Crossbones later on.

To just have a character suddenly go "Now I am the task master!" would be a little jarring.

As for the Red Skull, well Hugo Weaving said he has no interest in playing the character again. Of course, Marvel isn't above re-casting (Banner, Rhodey), and really, recasting Red Skull might be a good thing as Hugo Weaving was easily the worst part of that first Cap film.

**Ahtman**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Taskmaster is a difficult character to just introduce like that. Really? He has a sword and shield? And a bow and arrow? What???

They would probably go with this newer iteration:

**H.B.M.C.**

Well this is (potentially) interesting:

IGN: This is another question that you may give me a similar answer on, but can we also assume that Victoria Hand and those other unfortunate gentlemen are definitely dead?

Bell: Let's say that Ward definitely killed them.

IGN: [Laughs] Okay!

Bell: It's the Marvel Universe... But he definitely put three shots in her, and he killed her.

IGN: It wasn't the ICER he was using at that point.

Loeb: No, no. He iced her in the old-school version of "iced her."

I guess that (95%) nixes the triple agent idea... but sadly makes the 4th quarter conversion to the light side thanks to the "power of love" more of a certainty unless, of course, the writers of the show really have a spine.

**bbb**

I agree he should stay evil, but I might be okay with a turn to the light side if he dies saving Skye. Not that I care about him, her or their relationship, but it would at least be better than, "my love for you is greater than my love for Hydra, so I'm a good guy again!"

**Soladrin**

bbb wrote:
I agree he should stay evil, but I might be okay with a turn to the light side if he dies saving Skye. Not that I care about him, her or their relationship, but it would at least be better than, "my love for you is greater than my love for Hydra, so I'm a good guy again!"

I would be fine with that, as long as he subsequently get's shot in the head by Nick Fury.

**Corpsesarefun**

I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the most recent 2 episodes, I'd heard that they were much better but I didn't believe it was true until I watched it for myself. Those 2 episodes are on a par with most of series 2 of Arrow.

**Soladrin**

To be fair, series 2 of arrow so far has actually been somewhat less interesting for me.

This has actually overtaken it on my priority list.

**Hulksmash**

Just watched the two most recent episodes of Agents this morning. It's maintaining the change it's had since the Olympic break. Glad to see it and really enjoyed it.

From the last episode I'm betting on the love bringing him back direction. It's pretty obvious that he's contemplating his choices at that point. Though, like everyone else, I'd like to see him die redeeming himself if they go that direction.

**Compel**

I suppose the question is.

Is there a readily available replacement for the character (whoever that might be

) been introduced in the last couple of episodes.

Spooks (AKA MI5) used to do that all the time, you could tell whenever a cast member would get killed off, because you'd get someone coming in an episode or two beforehand with, "hey, this is Gary from the SBS, he's here to help out with the latest disaster."

**H.B.M.C.**

Heh. Can you imagine if Agents of SHIELD had the same balls as Spooks did when it came to killing off cast members?

And the obvious answer is Trip.

**TheMeanDM**

I suppose Ward becoming Taskmaster isnt that much of a stretch.

Hydra (being German/Nazi born) could have had or does have access to the "primer" that TM used to gain his procedural/muscle memory power.

Perhaps he already has that ability (the scores since Romanov comment comes to mind).

He is already an excellent combatant...so it could be feasible.

Maybe they won't do the sword/shield thing and instead make him just a "super human" combatant (a la Cap).

Could be that now he's away from SHIELD he can stop sandbagging his abilities?

Or maybe he'll undergo some treatment now with Hydra....?

Who knows...its all up in the air!

**KamikazeCanuck**

Finally watched the last episode. The ending was pretty shocking but I'm glad they're doing something with Ward. He was just such a bland character and it looks like they figured that out.

**AduroT**

Yeah, I'm betting on the guy who was helping science gal replacing Ward.