No More White Dwarf Monthly : Dwarf cover p 14

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**wuestenfux**

''Unless you’ve been hiding under a rock for the last few weeks...''
Who is hiding under a rock? Not the customers.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

wuestenfux wrote:
Who is hiding under a rock?

Me. But shh, don't tell ! Else, they might find me. And hurt me, maybe kill me ! I need to hide better, let me add more rocks !

**the shrouded lord**

So what happEns to people who have the 12 month subscription?

**AndrewC**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

It wasn't an attempt to belittle the Falklands or the guy that ran the hobby shop.

The WD directory has long been a running joke on dakka. Despite the internet age, despite most of the hobby shops having their own web pages, and despite their details being available with a 5 second google search, WD or GW still insisted in giving us 11 pusage limitges of padding every month for 10 years!!! . It was symptomatic of how things went wrong with WD magazine.

Even the re-launch failed to shed the directory. I know of at least two hobby stores that had been closed for months, but their details were still being printed.

Hope that clears things up.

PM'd you.

Dont worry about it, I used the directory to try and find the Perth shop (UK) to discover it hadn't been there for several years. And your right about the internet, £100 per month for a 5gb usage limit.

Having said that, if you like wind, penguins, wind, sand, wind, sheep, wind, no trees and more wind, then this is the place to be!

Cheers

Andrew

**Ulcis**

Redemption wrote:
What's that 'Monstrous In(vasion?)' bit on the cover? Looks like the top of some sort of Lizardmen model?

Doesn't match any of the Lizardmen models that I know of. Just did a quick scan of the Dwarves range & doesn't match anything there either.

Other than this thread, there doesn't seem to be much in the ways of rumours for Feb (& presumably they'll have something). Could they have stemmed the WD leak with this reformat?

**Azreal13**

Ulcis wrote:
Redemption wrote:
What's that 'Monstrous In(vasion?)' bit on the cover? Looks like the top of some sort of Lizardmen model?

Doesn't match any of the Lizardmen models that I know of. Just did a quick scan of the Dwarves range & doesn't match anything there either.

Other than this thread, there doesn't seem to be much in the ways of rumours for Feb (& presumably they'll have something). Could they have stemmed the WD leak with this reformat?

Dwarves. Feb is Dwarves.

You can't find a match because I expect it'll be a new kit on the cover.

Monstrous Invasion is almost certainly a reference to one of the Nid dataslates.

**fishy bob**

the shrouded lord wrote:
So what happEns to people who have the 12 month subscription?

They'll get the Warhammer Visions mag monthly for the remainder of their subscription, plus the first weekly White Dwarf for free.

azreal13 wrote:
Ulcis wrote:
Other than this thread, there doesn't seem to be much in the ways of rumours for Feb (& presumably they'll have something). Could they have stemmed the WD leak with this reformat?

Dwarves. Feb is Dwarves.

Unless you've been living under a rock

Will that be up there with "This is great news", you people think?

**the shrouded lord**

fishy bob wrote:
the shrouded lord wrote:
So what happEns to people who have the 12 month subscription?

They'll get the Warhammer Visions mag monthly for the remainder of their subscription, plus the first weekly White Dwarf for free.

Sweet, thanks.
I've got th monthly subscription untill July, sorry if this has already been touched on, but do we know what will be diferrent between The weekly and monthly?

**Ulcis**

azreal13 wrote:
Ulcis wrote:
Redemption wrote:
What's that 'Monstrous In(vasion?)' bit on the cover? Looks like the top of some sort of Lizardmen model?

Doesn't match any of the Lizardmen models that I know of. Just did a quick scan of the Dwarves range & doesn't match anything there either.

Other than this thread, there doesn't seem to be much in the ways of rumours for Feb (& presumably they'll have something). Could they have stemmed the WD leak with this reformat?

Dwarves. Feb is Dwarves.

You can't find a match because I expect it'll be a new kit on the cover.

Monstrous Invasion is almost certainly a reference to one of the Nid dataslates.

Aye, Dwarves now the GW-released pic shows a rune, but no lengthy 'Feb release' thread beforehand (like there has been with 'Nids, Dark Elves, etc.) Doubt it'd be the entire reason for the rebrand, but am wondering if its had the side effect of preventing the leaks.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

the shrouded lord wrote:
fishy bob wrote:
the shrouded lord wrote:
So what happEns to people who have the 12 month subscription?

They'll get the Warhammer Visions mag monthly for the remainder of their subscription, plus the first weekly White Dwarf for free.

Sweet, thanks.
I've got th monthly subscription untill July, sorry if this has already been touched on, but do we know what will be diferrent between The weekly and monthly?

The monthly (WD visions) looks to be pretty pictures and glossy content of minis armies etc

The weekly is taking most of the news/columns and new release advertising

**namiel**

What happens if we still have those subscription vouchers?

**Flashman**

namiel wrote:
What happens if we still have those subscription vouchers?

Already stated in this thread but repeated below for your convenience

Current in-store White Dwarf subscriber?

You will be able to redeem your remaining subscription vouchers for a monthly copy of Warhammer: Visions in any Games Workshop store.

Current mail order White Dwarf subscriber?

If you have a subscription to the current White Dwarf magazine, your subscription will automatically switch over to Warhammer: Visions. With your first issue, we’re also sending you a free copy of the first issue of new White Dwarf weekly, along with a letter from Jes, the editor, explaining the changes. The price you pay will not change during your subscription period.

From March, we’ll begin mailing out your monthly subscriber copy of Warhammer: Visions early so that (Warp storms permitting, of course) you’ll receive your copy during the week before it goes on sale in stores.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Now I'm kinda glad I did the (stupid) thing and subscribe to WD... If GW actually follows its promises I'm going to be pleased.

**Harriticus**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
reds8n wrote:
Unless you’ve been hiding under a rock for the last few weeks...

Like GW's marketing department? Other than their own website GW haven't gone out to tell anyone about this besides the people who have to sell it.

Hiding under a rock...

I browse the front of GW's website periodically, and I wouldn't have known about this if it wasn't for dakka "leaking" their uber-secret classified information. All I notice on GW's website is how there's 440 limited edition Tyranid codex's vs. the 467 there were a few days ago. That countdown's still going. Who knows when they'll hit zero. Tyranid dex is almost 2 weeks old now and they've sold about 60 of these things.

But yeah, GW not believing in advertising is another hilarioust hing they do. They're the only company I can think of that thinks advertising is bad.

Edit: gak! it's 424 now! They're flying off the shelves faster than you can make them, Dubya!

**Sir Arun**

So White Dwarf is not dead...i'm guessing its gonna be a lot thinner though, judging by the price.

Edit: nvm, didnt read page 12

**deepstriker**

Wow. White Dwarf was the mag which my friends went to for WHFB and 40k info. It will be sad to see it replaced by weekly snippets emails etc.

It was an interesting read during my conscription army days, among cars, bikes and lifestyle mags. I will however not mourn the passing.

If the rumour is legit, R.I.P. White Dwarf.

**aliusexalio**

scarletsquig wrote:
Warhammer Visions is a terrible name for the new monthly mag.

What idiot in charge at GW decided that scrapping their 30-year legacy would be a good idea?

Some corporate marketing douchebag. They are milking this cow till its dry and then selling its empty husk at a profit.

**BrassScorpion**

Warhammer Visions is a terrible name for the new monthly mag.

Maybe, and then again, maybe not. In fact, definitely not. When something has gotten a bad rep it's common business practice to "re-brand" it so that customers won't be turned off assuming it's the same old thing.

I got some info on the new mag the other day. It will be about 10 pages thicker than the current now defunct White Dwarf monthly and it will focus on both Warhammer systems (no LotR) and supposedly be full of hobby content the way the old White Dwarf used to be.

In other words, they changed the name to re-brand the magazine because White Dwarf now has a bad reputation of being not much more than an advertising catalog and they want customers to be confident that the new mag will indeed be full of useful hobby content focused on their best selling models and game systems, Warhammer and 40K.

And the White Dwarf name is still being used for the weekly publication, so it hasn't been abandoned.

**Pacific**

Of course like the previous re-launch this is just going to be a case of 'Emperor's new clothes'. It's not going to significantly change the content of the magazine - low word count, poor journalism and every 'article' written as though it has to go through the political office prior to release - so if you had complaints about the magazine before, don't think for a moment that will have changed; if you do, you'll be disappointed.

**filbert**

BrassScorpion wrote:
Warhammer Visions is a terrible name for the new monthly mag.
Maybe, and then again, maybe not. In fact, definitely not. When something has gotten a bad rep it's common business practice to "re-brand" it so that customers won't be turned off assuming it's the same old thing.

I got some info on the new mag the other day. It will be about 10 pages thicker than the current now defunct White Dwarf monthly and it will focus on both Warhammer systems (no LotR) and supposedly be full of hobby content the way the old White Dwarf used to be.

In other words, they changed the name to re-brand the magazine because White Dwarf now has a bad reputation of being not much more than an advertising catalog and they want customers to be confident that the new mag will indeed be full of useful hobby content focused on their best selling models and game systems, Warhammer and 40K.

And the White Dwarf name is still being used for the weekly publication, so it hasn't been abandoned.

That's contrary to the GW 'press-release' that they posted on the website:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=12900004

The weekly WD will be the one that contains the editorial content and hobby related stuff and that magazine is only available by going in-store (assuming you have a store nearby and the inclination to visit it).

The monthly magazine just seems to be about photos:

...packed from cover to cover with pictures of beautifully painted miniatures including everything from Golden Demon and Armies on Parade to Kit Bash, Blanchitsu and so much more.

I am a subscriber so I will give it an issue or two but I am not holding out much hope. I'm not convinced that people will want to pay £8 or whatever to flick through photos of miniatures when that same content is available online in spades. I used to get WD as it was an interesting enough way for me to spend half an hour flicking through; I didn't take it too seriously but for £3 an issue (as is my subscriber rates) it was functional enough for me.

**Kilkrazy**

AndrewC wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

It wasn't an attempt to belittle the Falklands or the guy that ran the hobby shop.

The WD directory has long been a running joke on dakka. Despite the internet age, despite most of the hobby shops having their own web pages, and despite their details being available with a 5 second google search, WD or GW still insisted in giving us 11 pusage limitges of padding every month for 10 years!!! . It was symptomatic of how things went wrong with WD magazine.

Even the re-launch failed to shed the directory. I know of at least two hobby stores that had been closed for months, but their details were still being printed.

Hope that clears things up.

PM'd you.

Dont worry about it, I used the directory to try and find the Perth shop (UK) to discover it hadn't been there for several years. And your right about the internet, £100 per month for a 5gb usage limit.

Having said that, if you like wind, penguins, wind, sand, wind, sheep, wind, no trees and more wind, then this is the place to be!

Cheers

Andrew

Don't forget to add your details to the DakkaDakka player directory. You never know when someone will arrive in Port Stanley with a suitcase full of Tyranids!

**Medium of Death**

So these four weekly supplements will be available in the store, but the rumour of a combined version isn't happening?

This doesn't look very groundbreaking. I could see the point if GW were going to hint at future releases and control there own rumours in a weekly update. I'd imagine the time from printing to shop will be reduced so they'd be less time for leaks. Actually giving us a heads up on what's coming would probably calm the rumour frenzy that surrounds GW.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Flashman wrote:
namiel wrote:
What happens if we still have those subscription vouchers?

Already stated in this thread but repeated below for your convenience

Current in-store White Dwarf subscriber?

You will be able to redeem your remaining subscription vouchers for a monthly copy of Warhammer: Visions in any Games Workshop store.

Current mail order White Dwarf subscriber?

If you have a subscription to the current White Dwarf magazine, your subscription will automatically switch over to Warhammer: Visions. With your first issue, we’re also sending you a free copy of the first issue of new White Dwarf weekly, along with a letter from Jes, the editor, explaining the changes. The price you pay will not change during your subscription period.

From March, we’ll begin mailing out your monthly subscriber copy of Warhammer: Visions early so that (Warp storms permitting, of course) you’ll receive your copy during the week before it goes on sale in stores.

It occurred to me that you won't be able to read this new version of WD for free in your local newsagent, anymore! Your evil plan is foiled!

**filbert**

Levity aside, that is almost certainly a key factor in this re-imagining of WD - to cut down on leaks as part of GW's irrational purge of rumours.

It may well be that they are moving production of the weekly WD in-house to stop printer leaks.

**Flashman**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Flashman wrote:
namiel wrote:
What happens if we still have those subscription vouchers?

Already stated in this thread but repeated below for your convenience

Current in-store White Dwarf subscriber?

You will be able to redeem your remaining subscription vouchers for a monthly copy of Warhammer: Visions in any Games Workshop store.

Current mail order White Dwarf subscriber?

If you have a subscription to the current White Dwarf magazine, your subscription will automatically switch over to Warhammer: Visions. With your first issue, we’re also sending you a free copy of the first issue of new White Dwarf weekly, along with a letter from Jes, the editor, explaining the changes. The price you pay will not change during your subscription period.

From March, we’ll begin mailing out your monthly subscriber copy of Warhammer: Visions early so that (Warp storms permitting, of course) you’ll receive your copy during the week before it goes on sale in stores.

It occurred to me that you won't be able to read this new version of WD for free in your local newsagent, anymore! Your evil plan is foiled!

Yes, I was probably responsible for this shift in approach. To be honest, I've stopped flicking through them in the shop in the last couple of months. I'll swing by GW Southampton to have a look at this Brand. New. Magazine., but it will have to be a spectacular change for it to prise open my wallet. I very much doubt a grumpy 38 year old man is in the target audience anyway

**reds8n**

http://www.icv2.com/articles/talkback/27677.html

Dave Salisbury of Fan Boy Three in Manchester, England read about the upcoming changes to Games Workshop's White Dwarf magazine (see "Rolling for Initiative--Games Workshop Changes a Comin'") and had this to say.

Well, it takes bravery or insanity to do something this extreme in the world of magazine publishing. When we heard venerable industry institution White Dwarf was for the chop, we naturally assumed it was going to return in digital format like Dragon & Dungeon. Boy were we wrong!

Currently in the UK, Games Workshop produces one single magazine every month for £5.50. Now, if you want to keep up with the GW hobby there will be a New Release focused weekly magazine for £2.80 and a monthly magazine for around £8. So, just your *magazine* spend has increased-- as a consumer--from £66 a year to £241. Games Workshop freely admit they do not expect every player to buy every issue of the weekly-- just the issues that focus on the New Releases for armies that they currently buy, which would reduce the spend a bit for all but the most rabid fanboys.

But still, those rabid fanboys are about to be stung by a price increase of 365%.

Now, it is possible that Games Workshop can fly in the face of the closing doors and mothballing printers endemic in the current magazine industry. But in doing so they would have single handedly proven every other magazine publisher in the world to be wrong.

Games Workshop has made an entire industry out of treading the fine line between the devotion of their dedicated player base and the maximum price the market can bear. Lets hope they can tread the fine line between genius and madness as adroitly.

The opinions expressed in this Talk Back are solely those of the writer, and do not necessarily reflect the views of the editorial staff of ICv2.com.

**filbert**

It's a good point. Fortunately, I am a subscriber so my monthly issue of WD/whatever it's called now will cost me £3 per issue until such time as I cancel my sub so there is no price change for me. If I wasn't a subscriber however, there is no way I would pay £8 for a magazine, monthly or not.

**Flashman**

filbert wrote:
It's a good point. Fortunately, I am a subscriber so my monthly issue of WD/whatever it's called now will cost me £3 per issue until such time as I cancel my sub so there is no price change for me. If I wasn't a subscriber however, there is no way I would pay £8 for a magazine, monthly or not.

Those pretty pictures aren't cheap you know.

Joking aside, there may well be a niche market for this approach (possibly the same nutters who buy those limited edition codecies), but it's another example of a GW product leaving me cold.

**Herzlos**

I think they are aiming at the coffee table art book market, because some of them go for a lot of money. Whether this product really compares is still open to speculation though.

Edit: I got the impression it'd be something more like Wargames Illustrated's Mega Battles book, which is 180 pages: http://www.wargamesillustrated.net/hobby.aspx?art_id=4161, but with more filler.

**dakkajet**

Why in the name of gork did they make it issue 1? Its been counting onwards from 1977! 36 YEARS of counting up every month coming to an end! Why!