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With the success of the assassins brood at the GT last week and the reintroduction of the new units I wanted to try out a 1845 competetive list using self allies. thoughts?

Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro

Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS

Malanthrope
Zoanthrope Brood-Neurothrope, Tyrannocyte

Dimachaeron - Tyrannocyte

Assassin Brood
Deathleaper
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor

Zoans and Neuro to work with death leaper and his boys for spirit leach antics and distract from flyrants/ Dima. I think I'm pretty happy without a bastion/coms relay.

Here's one for the Hive.

Tyrannocysts are "transport options" bought alongside other units (are they though?). If a unit from an Endless Swarm formation is destroyed and returns to play, if said unit arrived by Tyrannocyte does the replacement land by Tyrannocyte as well?

Xyptc wrote:
Here's one for the Hive.

Tyrannocysts are "transport options" bought alongside other units (are they though?). If a unit from an Endless Swarm formation is destroyed and returns to play, if said unit arrived by Tyrannocyte does the replacement land by Tyrannocyte as well?

No as the units in the swarm are listed in the formation rules.

that and a Tyrannocyte is a heavy support in the same way a drop pod is a FA in the space wolf codex.
only it does not use up a slot in a CAD.

 Wilson wrote:
With the success of the assassins brood at the GT last week and the reintroduction of the new units I wanted to try out a 1845 competetive list using self allies. thoughts?

Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro

Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS

Malanthrope
Zoanthrope Brood-Neurothrope, Tyrannocyte

Dimachaeron - Tyrannocyte

Assassin Brood
Deathleaper
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor

Zoans and Neuro to work with death leaper and his boys for spirit leach antics and distract from flyrants/ Dima. I think I'm pretty happy without a bastion/coms relay.

I like it, I would be nervous not having something to gaurentee me those reserve rolls though!

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
With the success of the assassins brood at the GT last week and the reintroduction of the new units I wanted to try out a 1845 competetive list using self allies. thoughts?

Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro

Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS

Malanthrope
Zoanthrope Brood-Neurothrope, Tyrannocyte

Dimachaeron - Tyrannocyte

Assassin Brood
Deathleaper
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor

Zoans and Neuro to work with death leaper and his boys for spirit leach antics and distract from flyrants/ Dima. I think I'm pretty happy without a bastion/coms relay.

I like it, I would be nervous not having something to gaurentee me those reserve rolls though!

hmm. What would suggest? There's always Strategic Warlord traits....

 Wilson wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
With the success of the assassins brood at the GT last week and the reintroduction of the new units I wanted to try out a 1845 competetive list using self allies. thoughts?

Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro

Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS

Malanthrope
Zoanthrope Brood-Neurothrope, Tyrannocyte

Dimachaeron - Tyrannocyte

Assassin Brood
Deathleaper
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor

Zoans and Neuro to work with death leaper and his boys for spirit leach antics and distract from flyrants/ Dima. I think I'm pretty happy without a bastion/coms relay.

I like it, I would be nervous not having something to gaurentee me those reserve rolls though!

hmm. What would suggest? There's always Strategic Warlord traits....

Aiming for a 4 with a re-roll isn't unreasonable if you didn't want to invest in a Bastion. It also gives you +1 to seize if you needed it. Honestly I'd find the points in Zoan brood and one unit of Rippers,but that sort of goes against what you are going for, so stick with it see it works. Along as you play with a decent amount of terrain, you should find some ruins or LOS blockers to protect your Hive Tyrants and Malonthrope.

Finished my (first) Dimachaeron. Obviously not painted in my armies colors, I simply got him to paint and sell for the fun of it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/623025.page#7350943

These pics are pre-light box, I've got one arriving tomorrow and will hopefully get some more accurate photos, my camera is light finicky.

Stunning work, mines ready to be built and painted on my desk. Would you recommend painting in sub assemblies?

@lechune
Wow! I'm not really a fan of the Dimachaeron but that color scheme looks pretty damn good on it.

@everyone
If one were to use Ravenors, what's a decent loadout? Are the rending claws an auto-buy? With four attacks base are Spinefists a valid choice over Devourers or Deathspitters?

No, but that doesnt make me right. Of all models, he has some really hard to reach areas if you dont paint in subassemblies. I originally planned to have the upper torso magnetized and thus paint the two halves separate, but when my magnets werent quite sufficiently strong enough I just epoxied it and went for it.

I prefer greatly to paint fully assembled, but in this instance I paid for it with a lot of extra time.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
@lechune
Wow! I'm not really a fan of the Dimachaeron but that color scheme looks pretty damn good on it.

Hey thank you, he wasnt what I envisioned but I kind of like how it turned out as well.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
@lechune
Wow! I'm not really a fan of the Dimachaeron but that color scheme looks pretty damn good on it.

@everyone
If one were to use Ravenors, what's a decent loadout? Are the rending claws an auto-buy? With four attacks base are Spinefists a valid choice over Devourers or Deathspitters?

See my list above, I'm going to try them out with just rending claws, I'm really bothered about them shooting, I'd rather run them into terrain the turn they arrive, and then assualt out of it next turn

 SHUPPET wrote:
So Zoanthropes - say I have a squad of 6 and I succesfully cast, I make 1 roll to hit and am successful, I then go on to make 1 roll to pen? Or 6?

I think the answer is 6. (6 rolls to hit, and roll to pen for each hit...)

 Wilson wrote:
With the success of the assassins brood at the GT last week and the reintroduction of the new units I wanted to try out a 1845 competetive list using self allies. thoughts?

Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro

Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS

Malanthrope
Zoanthrope Brood-Neurothrope, Tyrannocyte

Dimachaeron - Tyrannocyte

Assassin Brood
Deathleaper
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor

Zoans and Neuro to work with death leaper and his boys for spirit leach antics and distract from flyrants/ Dima. I think I'm pretty happy without a bastion/coms relay.

The success of the Assassin Brood at the GT was due to the list/concept design around it to really make the most out of the formation.
I'm not sure how it performs outside of that and haven't really given it much thought outside of considering the use it with Mawlocs for about 2 minutes and then thinking it wouldn't be that great.

Then you see the results of someone list building around it so it performs actually very well within the design of the list itself.
Better I think with mucolid spores, that could be quite nasty. it's certainly shown me there's more to Nids than Skyblight lol.

For the list though, why not throw some mucolid spores and mawlocs in there, might as well if your taking that many lictors.
And agreed, Comms relay is required.
Edit - As well as the bastion to hide your Flyrants behind in case there isn't much BLOS terrain.

 L0rdF1end wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
With the success of the assassins brood at the GT last week and the reintroduction of the new units I wanted to try out a 1845 competetive list using self allies. thoughts?

Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro

Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS

Malanthrope
Zoanthrope Brood-Neurothrope, Tyrannocyte

Dimachaeron - Tyrannocyte

Assassin Brood
Deathleaper
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor

Zoans and Neuro to work with death leaper and his boys for spirit leach antics and distract from flyrants/ Dima. I think I'm pretty happy without a bastion/coms relay.

The success of the Assassin Brood at the GT was due to the list/concept design around it to really make the most out of the formation.
I'm not sure how it performs outside of that and haven't really given it much thought outside of considering the use it with Mawlocs for about 2 minutes and then thinking it wouldn't be that great.

Then you see the results of someone list building around it so it performs actually very well within the design of the list itself.
Better I think with mucolid spores, that could be quite nasty. it's certainly shown me there's more to Nids than Skyblight lol.

For the list though, why not throw some mucolid spores and mawlocs in there, might as well if your taking that many lictors.
And agreed, Comms relay is required.
Edit - As well as the bastion to hide your Flyrants behind in case there isn't much BLOS terrain.

What would you suggest? Drop the third tyrant and rippers for 2 Mawlocs?

 Wilson wrote:

 L0rdF1end wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
With the success of the assassins brood at the GT last week and the reintroduction of the new units I wanted to try out a 1845 competetive list using self allies. thoughts?

Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro

Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS

Malanthrope
Zoanthrope Brood-Neurothrope, Tyrannocyte

Dimachaeron - Tyrannocyte

Assassin Brood
Deathleaper
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor

Zoans and Neuro to work with death leaper and his boys for spirit leach antics and distract from flyrants/ Dima. I think I'm pretty happy without a bastion/coms relay.

The success of the Assassin Brood at the GT was due to the list/concept design around it to really make the most out of the formation.
I'm not sure how it performs outside of that and haven't really given it much thought outside of considering the use it with Mawlocs for about 2 minutes and then thinking it wouldn't be that great.

Then you see the results of someone list building around it so it performs actually very well within the design of the list itself.
Better I think with mucolid spores, that could be quite nasty. it's certainly shown me there's more to Nids than Skyblight lol.

For the list though, why not throw some mucolid spores and mawlocs in there, might as well if your taking that many lictors.
And agreed, Comms relay is required.
Edit - As well as the bastion to hide your Flyrants behind in case there isn't much BLOS terrain.

What would you suggest? Drop the third tyrant and rippers for 2 Mawlocs?

To me that would be a much scarier list. I think unless you are going full air force, 2 Hive Tyrants are enough.

 L0rdF1end wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
With the success of the assassins brood at the GT last week and the reintroduction of the new units I wanted to try out a 1845 competetive list using self allies. thoughts?

Spoiler:

Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro

Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS

Malanthrope
Zoanthrope Brood-Neurothrope, Tyrannocyte

Dimachaeron - Tyrannocyte

Assassin Brood
Deathleaper
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor

Zoans and Neuro to work with death leaper and his boys for spirit leach antics and distract from flyrants/ Dima. I think I'm pretty happy without a bastion/coms relay.

The success of the Assassin Brood at the GT was due to the list/concept design around it to really make the most out of the formation.

I agree (and would go farther to add that mission design, and terrain play a big part in the success of that GT win).

The problem with the list you posted is the Dimacharon. He doesn't really synergise with anything else, and simplifies your opponent's target priority. Add to that no bonus for reserves, apparently expecting Zoeys to dish out damage, and I don't think you are looking at the most competitive list. If your in a meta where 3 sources are allowed, spam and deathstars are going to rule it with an iron fist, so something like Sean's list might actually do very well at countering the meta, but this list is not Sean's because it compromises the reliability and MSU nature of it.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
@lechune
Wow! I'm not really a fan of the Dimachaeron but that color scheme looks pretty damn good on it.

@everyone
If one were to use Ravenors, what's a decent loadout? Are the rending claws an auto-buy? With four attacks base are Spinefists a valid choice over Devourers or Deathspitters?

See my list above, I'm going to try them out with just rending claws, I'm really bothered about them shooting, I'd rather run them into terrain the turn they arrive, and then assualt out of it next turn

You can DS them right in to the cover now without having to worry about the DT test, so I run them gunned. Deathspitters normally for pooping rear armor. If you got claws, then you may not need the shooting. Spinefists are good against infantry being TL and 3 shots.

I have 8 raveners, I used to play them as 4-member broods but with 1 or 2 dead they were unefficient.
So I played one brood of 8, but at this time they were overkilling their target and shot to death...
I found a 5 + 3 method: 3 are not a great threat so no one cared and they could wreck a tank whereas 5 were enough to move hidden and sufficient to damage one unit (tac squad by example) at each time. The problem was they took 2 FA slots. 6 may be the better compromise.
Since january I use gargoyles and crone in FA and I'm know thinking like you about MTO with spore-pod, lictors, out-flanking and deep-striking units like my list early in 6th with Ymgarl genestealers and zopes in a spore... but hive commander has changed and I have no comrelay.
Anyway, there's always Strategic warlord traits... xD

Sorry fellas, been at work all day so trying to catch up now.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Would you be interested in giving a unit by unit breakdown of why you chose it and how you used it? I think everyone really wants to pick your brain over this list since it's so different from the conventional wisdom that's been established here in this thread. It might be a lot of work, but I'm sure quite a few people would appreciate it.

Well something that you need to know about me is I hate to be boring. Most of my list design process starts with me deciding either a theme or a group of units that I want to use. So for example Beast Star Dark Eldar for me was born out of my desire to win games with close combat and use the special character VECT, now that list paradigm certainly evolved into the hated beast star style list that exemplified everything that people hated about 6th edition... but it was not born out of the desire to create an all encompassing unbeatable list.

So backtrack and forward. Ive had tyranids since 5th edition. Bought built a list with lictors, genestealers, a flyrant and some mawlocs, had a lot of fun. All reserves style stuff. 6th edition comes out and you cant put more than 50% in reserves list is dead for that edition. 7th edition its up to you now what and how much... just have to not get tabled, so Lictor/mawloc stuff can work again. Dark eldar get a new book and my assault stuff sucks and Vect is gone so need to make some changes, for kicks and giggles use death leaper formation with old dark eldar in a tournament go 5-1 and really like what the lictors do. So start thinking about playing bugs again.

So with that in mind the list starts to develop, obviously the theme is once again surprise were here so death leaper formation is in, to augment that push as many other lictors as I can in so we end up with 8. From there 3 mawlocs are an easy addition, I already had 2 and so spent a lot of discussion and introspection whether to add a 3rd or go with something else like a carnifex or tyranofex as I had some in boxes I had won in the intervening years... but the 3rd mawloc was a better fit in every way so conceded to the better choice there. I already had one flyrant built and ready(sexy forgeworld one) so thats easy and again I conceded that in this instance its probably not necessary to try and reinvent the wheel, double flyrant is pretty darn solid and nothing else in the slot is fast enough or fits into the list as well. In some test ideas I had ravenors and shrikes in the fast slot and liked them as light lictors... but that involved buying and painting the models so I looked at my case and said well genestealers are kinda like that too.... plus they are already painted. The bastion is just so useful for the comms and line of sight blocking that its an auto take, because you never know if the tournament you are going to will have enough good terrain.

From there you have to start looking at a little psychology too... the whole list is crazy and its nickname is #LictorShame... mainly as a goof ball idea that people would be ashamed to admit defeat to not only Tyranids but also these tyranid models in particular. So my friend suggested that since I had a few points to spare I might as well toss in some spore mines because it was just one more hilarious unit to add to that psyche out moment when opponents read your list at the table. Then once we got the list on the table we quickly realized that the crazy theme and list was actually gelling together even better then I had expected... I had ideas that it should work, but to see it not only work but really work well gave me a lot of confidence to bring it to 11th company. SO much confidence that I was telling a lot of people that I was going to win the event, and even stealth posted the list on here to kinda put it out there before the event so that when I did win I could point back and say I warned people it was coming.

But the overriding idea of the list is to push the boundaries of competitive 40k. Because I feel that a lot of times there isnt enough belief in some forgotten units... but the right combos and outside the box thinking can create powerful builds that dont strictly come out of analyzing the most points efficient models and highest math hammer based attrition.

So after that little rambling introspection into how and why the list came into existence... hopefully not too boring Ill go back to searching through the thread to try and answer question.

OrdoSean wrote:
Sorry fellas, been at work all day so trying to catch up now.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Would you be interested in giving a unit by unit breakdown of why you chose it and how you used it? I think everyone really wants to pick your brain over this list since it's so different from the conventional wisdom that's been established here in this thread. It might be a lot of work, but I'm sure quite a few people would appreciate it.

Well something that you need to know about me is I hate to be boring. Most of my list design process starts with me deciding either a theme or a group of units that I want to use. So for example Beast Star Dark Eldar for me was born out of my desire to win games with close combat and use the special character VECT, now that list paradigm certainly evolved into the hated beast star style list that exemplified everything that people hated about 6th edition... but it was not born out of the desire to create an all encompassing unbeatable list.

So backtrack and forward. Ive had tyranids since 5th edition. Bought built a list with lictors, genestealers, a flyrant and some mawlocs, had a lot of fun. All reserves style stuff. 6th edition comes out and you cant put more than 50% in reserves list is dead for that edition. 7th edition its up to you now what and how much... just have to not get tabled, so Lictor/mawloc stuff can work again. Dark eldar get a new book and my assault stuff sucks and Vect is gone so need to make some changes, for kicks and giggles use death leaper formation with old dark eldar in a tournament go 5-1 and really like what the lictors do. So start thinking about playing bugs again.

So with that in mind the list starts to develop, obviously the theme is once again surprise were here so death leaper formation is in, to augment that push as many other lictors as I can in so we end up with 8. From there 3 mawlocs are an easy addition, I already had 2 and so spent a lot of discussion and introspection whether to add a 3rd or go with something else like a carnifex or tyranofex as I had some in boxes I had won in the intervening years... but the 3rd mawloc was a better fit in every way so conceded to the better choice there. I already had one flyrant built and ready(sexy forgeworld one) so thats easy and again I conceded that in this instance its probably not necessary to try and reinvent the wheel, double flyrant is pretty darn solid and nothing else in the slot is fast enough or fits into the list as well. In some test ideas I had ravenors and shrikes in the fast slot and liked them as light lictors... but that involved buying and painting the models so I looked at my case and said well genestealers are kinda like that too.... plus they are already painted. The bastion is just so useful for the comms and line of sight blocking that its an auto take, because you never know if the tournament you are going to will have enough good terrain.

From there you have to start looking at a little psychology too... the whole list is crazy and its nickname is #LictorShame... mainly as a goof ball idea that people would be ashamed to admit defeat to not only Tyranids but also these tyranid models in particular. So my friend suggested that since I had a few points to spare I might as well toss in some spore mines because it was just one more hilarious unit to add to that psyche out moment when opponents read your list at the table. Then once we got the list on the table we quickly realized that the crazy theme and list was actually gelling together even better then I had expected... I had ideas that it should work, but to see it not only work but really work well gave me a lot of confidence to bring it to 11th company. SO much confidence that I was telling a lot of people that I was going to win the event, and even stealth posted the list on here to kinda put it out there before the event so that when I did win I could point back and say I warned people it was coming.

But the overriding idea of the list is to push the boundaries of competitive 40k. Because I feel that a lot of times there isnt enough belief in some forgotten units... but the right combos and outside the box thinking can create powerful builds that dont strictly come out of analyzing the most points efficient models and highest math hammer based attrition.

So after that little rambling introspection into how and why the list came into existence... hopefully not too boring Ill go back to searching through the thread to try and answer question.

Really appreciate your thoughts and attitude. I feel like the game would benefit from more top-level players experimenting with non-traditional units and play styles. Instead, everyone gets tunnel-vision about what is good and what is not. Exalted!

I will take adaptability over pure power any day of the week. Sure by the numbers something might kill more, however when it comes to having to adapt it doesn't offer as much.

tag8833 wrote:
How did the spore mines function as a part of your list?

How many of your Mawloc drops got to benefit from the Lictor's teleport homer?

Do you think that your MSU build would be able to hang with other top tier lists when playing other missions?

A lot of mawloc drops got to benefit from lictors. Sometimes the initial ones if I left any Lictors on the board in deployment, and lots of second drops later in the game. Its very convenient. Also the threat in general is very nice.

The missions werent very different from book or other tournament missions in general. Like I mentioned earlier I didnt really play the progressive part, and most of the time was simply grabbing objectives at the end of the games. The MSU nature might even help it in such events like the BAO that incorporate maelstrom missions as well.

Sometimes, when seasoned tournament winners (not just seasoned players, but seasoned GT winners) speak, it's always a good idea to listen. Players like Hulksmash and OrdoSean (and me!) have the experience as well as out-of-the-box type of thinking that have contributed to their success, especially at the highest levels of tournament play. Now you may not necessarily agree with their advice, but just know that a lot of it isn't theoryhammer. They do have practical experiences.

When Sean first brought up his list here on this thread, no one really responded because no one really had a clue as to what it could do. But knowing the calibre of player that Sean was, I was somewhat intrigued. Now I didn't expect the type of success that he would have with it, but I knew that the Deathleaper Assassin Brood had potential to be good (hence why I've been testing it out). They can't shoot worth a lick and they will fall over in assault to anything greater than MSU units. However, if there's one thing that they do and can do well is to help control the Movement phase. The game nowadays isn't necessarily about who is the best shooter or who can assault the best. Rather, it is all about positioning and the Movement phase, so in that sense, lictors and the formation can still contribute.

Sean, I'd like to thank you for your insight as well as for opening the eyes of the public. If you are coming to the LVO next year, hopefully we get a chance to play each other. If not, then would still be cool to meet you.

I will be at LVO in february for sure. Bought a ticket in september. My friend Alex won last year and said it was well worth the trip so I made sure to pencil it into my schedule.

Cool, I met with Alex last year, though I didn't play against him. I also played against (and roomed with) your buddy, Eric Hoerger.

OrdoSean wrote:
Sorry fellas, been at work all day so trying to catch up now.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Would you be interested in giving a unit by unit breakdown of why you chose it and how you used it? I think everyone really wants to pick your brain over this list since it's so different from the conventional wisdom that's been established here in this thread. It might be a lot of work, but I'm sure quite a few people would appreciate it.

Well something that you need to know about me is I hate to be boring. Most of my list design process starts with me deciding either a theme or a group of units that I want to use. So for example Beast Star Dark Eldar for me was born out of my desire to win games with close combat and use the special character VECT, now that list paradigm certainly evolved into the hated beast star style list that exemplified everything that people hated about 6th edition... but it was not born out of the desire to create an all encompassing unbeatable list.

So backtrack and forward. Ive had tyranids since 5th edition. Bought built a list with lictors, genestealers, a flyrant and some mawlocs, had a lot of fun. All reserves style stuff. 6th edition comes out and you cant put more than 50% in reserves list is dead for that edition. 7th edition its up to you now what and how much... just have to not get tabled, so Lictor/mawloc stuff can work again. Dark eldar get a new book and my assault stuff sucks and Vect is gone so need to make some changes, for kicks and giggles use death leaper formation with old dark eldar in a tournament go 5-1 and really like what the lictors do. So start thinking about playing bugs again.

So with that in mind the list starts to develop, obviously the theme is once again surprise were here so death leaper formation is in, to augment that push as many other lictors as I can in so we end up with 8. From there 3 mawlocs are an easy addition, I already had 2 and so spent a lot of discussion and introspection whether to add a 3rd or go with something else like a carnifex or tyranofex as I had some in boxes I had won in the intervening years... but the 3rd mawloc was a better fit in every way so conceded to the better choice there. I already had one flyrant built and ready(sexy forgeworld one) so thats easy and again I conceded that in this instance its probably not necessary to try and reinvent the wheel, double flyrant is pretty darn solid and nothing else in the slot is fast enough or fits into the list as well. In some test ideas I had ravenors and shrikes in the fast slot and liked them as light lictors... but that involved buying and painting the models so I looked at my case and said well genestealers are kinda like that too.... plus they are already painted. The bastion is just so useful for the comms and line of sight blocking that its an auto take, because you never know if the tournament you are going to will have enough good terrain.

From there you have to start looking at a little psychology too... the whole list is crazy and its nickname is #LictorShame... mainly as a goof ball idea that people would be ashamed to admit defeat to not only Tyranids but also these tyranid models in particular. So my friend suggested that since I had a few points to spare I might as well toss in some spore mines because it was just one more hilarious unit to add to that psyche out moment when opponents read your list at the table. Then once we got the list on the table we quickly realized that the crazy theme and list was actually gelling together even better then I had expected... I had ideas that it should work, but to see it not only work but really work well gave me a lot of confidence to bring it to 11th company. SO much confidence that I was telling a lot of people that I was going to win the event, and even stealth posted the list on here to kinda put it out there before the event so that when I did win I could point back and say I warned people it was coming.

But the overriding idea of the list is to push the boundaries of competitive 40k. Because I feel that a lot of times there isnt enough belief in some forgotten units... but the right combos and outside the box thinking can create powerful builds that dont strictly come out of analyzing the most points efficient models and highest math hammer based attrition.

So after that little rambling introspection into how and why the list came into existence... hopefully not too boring Ill go back to searching through the thread to try and answer question.

congrats and thanks for posting the origins of this beast!

 Iechine wrote:
Finished my (first) Dimachaeron. Obviously not painted in my armies colors, I simply got him to paint and sell for the fun of it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/623025.page#7350943

These pics are pre-light box, I've got one arriving tomorrow and will hopefully get some more accurate photos, my camera is light finicky.

This is pretty sic, Iechine. You should get 1 for yourself.

 Wilson wrote:
With the success of the assassins brood at the GT last week and the reintroduction of the new units I wanted to try out a 1845 competetive list using self allies. thoughts?

Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro
Tyrant - Wings, Devourers, Electro

Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS
Rippers - DS

Malanthrope
Zoanthrope Brood-Neurothrope, Tyrannocyte

Dimachaeron - Tyrannocyte

Assassin Brood
Deathleaper
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor

Zoans and Neuro to work with death leaper and his boys for spirit leach antics and distract from flyrants/ Dima. I think I'm pretty happy without a bastion/coms relay.

There isn't much here for me to add that hasn't already been said, but I will add my comments as well.

1. This list wouldn't be valid in many competitive metas, as it uses 3 sources when the limit for most tourneys are 2. But if you aren't planning on running it for tournaments, then that's fine.

2. While flyrants are probably the best unit in our dex, they don't really take advantage of the lictors well (or should I say the lictors don't really benefit them all that much). You want something that can benefit from the lictors. Precision dropping spores are ok, but they really aren't all that necessarily in this case. Dima can be a little off, as can the zoans because the range of their shooting can offset their deviation from landing. The unit that complements lictors best IMO are the mawlocs. They are cheap so you can go full MSU and they really benefit from using lictors as homing beacons.

3. As others have said, you need a way to manipulate reserves.


My suggestion would be to drop 1 flyrant to keep it to 2-detachments so you can use it both in tournament and casual play. Then get a bastion + comms and mawloc to round out the list. If you need more points, you can also drop 1 unit of rippers.

Dropping a Tyrant and adding a Mawloc +Bastion with comms will leave you with 5 points to spare.

I think on lists where you are planning on reserving stuff, but still opening with units on the field (DLAB) that its an excellent opportunity to take a Swarmlord instead of the Bastion.

For 20 pts more than a Flyrant + Bastion w/Comms, you can get a Swarmlord + Pod, giving you practically the same chance to reserve rolls, and a Swarmlord deepstriking in to wreck face.

And this is coming from me, the guy who hasn't had anything positive to say about Swarmlord to date. He seems really good in these lists.

 SHUPPET wrote:
I think on lists where you are planning on reserving stuff, but still opening with units on the field (DLAB) that its an excellent opportunity to take a Swarmlord instead of the Bastion.

For 20 pts more than a Flyrant + Bastion w/Comms, you can get a Swarmlord + Pod, giving you practically the same chance to reserve rolls, and a Swarmlord deepstriking in to wreck face.

And this is coming from me, the guy who hasn't had anything positive to say about Swarmlord to date. He seems really good in these lists.

If you don't mind giving up a flyrant, then sure, you can go for Swarmy.

But personally, I think you need the 2nd flyrant and his mobility to make the list work, more so than you need the Swarmlord in your opponent's backfield. The problem arises when you play against mechdar, DE, biker armies, necrons, Farsight Enclaves and any army with the mobility to get away form Swarmy and still kite him to death with their shooting.