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Had a great game last night using my new super friends list with the Librarius Conclave. How do you guys plan to counter all those psychic powers casting on a 2+ ?

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Had a great game last night using my new super friends list with the Librarius Conclave. How do you guys plan to counter all those psychic powers casting on a 2+ ?

Who are your other "friends" in your "superfriends" list and what deathstar is this? Not sure what to counter if I don't know what the unit is.

Here's the current list...

White Scars CAD:
Chapter Master - artificer armor - shield eternal - power fist - auspex - bike

Command Squad - bikes - standard - 4x grav gun - 3x meltabomb - 4x stormshield - thunderhammer
Apothecary

4x Biker - 2x grav gun
Attack Bike - multi-melta
Sergeant - meltabomb

4x Biker - 2x grav gun
Attack Bike - multi-melta
Sergeant - meltabomb

Librarius Conclave (White Scars):
3x Librarian - bikes - force axes - meltabombs - Level 2

Champions of Fenris:
Wolf Lord - thunderwolf - runic armor - stormshield - thunderhammer

Iron Priest - thunderwolf

Iron Priest - thunderwolf

Grey Hunters
drop pod

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Here's the current list...

White Scars CAD:
Chapter Master - artificer armor - shield eternal - power fist - auspex - bike

Command Squad - bikes - standard - 4x grav gun - 3x meltabomb - 4x stormshield - thunderhammer
Apothecary

4x Biker - 2x grav gun
Attack Bike - multi-melta
Sergeant - meltabomb

4x Biker - 2x grav gun
Attack Bike - multi-melta
Sergeant - meltabomb

Librarius Conclave (White Scars):
3x Librarian - bikes - force axes - meltabombs - Level 2

Champions of Fenris:
Wolf Lord - thunderwolf - runic armor - stormshield - thunderhammer

Iron Priest - thunderwolf

Iron Priest - thunderwolf

Grey Hunters
drop pod

There's really not much bugs can do to counter the psychic powers of the Conclave, other than to remain within 12" of the unit and to wait for the caster to Perils.

As for a counter to the list, flyrant-spam naturally counters it. The bikers have next to no anti-air. Thus, flyrants will reign supreme as long as they don't go after any Invisible units. Just pick off the unbuffed unit(s) and leave the bikestar alone until there are no other targets left.

Of course, on the other hand, bikers can ignore the flyrants and just try to kill any bugs on the ground while grabbing Maelstrom points.

Also, against the bikestar, you've got to split up the objectives and toss them into the 4 corners. The Librarian Conclave will want to stick together. The Tyranid player will want to break them apart. Spreading the objectives is the best way for the bugs to do this. Stopping their psychic powers is just secondary.


BTW, the list could be made more nasty by downgrading the Chapter Master to a Captain, downgrading the Wolf Lord to a Battle Leader and then dropping 1 grav-gun or storm shield. Then you've got the points to add another TWC Iron Priest.

Nice tip for the extra Iron Priest.

hi all sry guys, have you some tips to play vs orks ? for now i play for fun but i want to try to play a competitive list for counter orks.

i usually play against blood angels and space marines ( and orks eheh ) if you can help me with some list or tips i will love you

They've got really bad leadership so tactics around that work well.

Psychic Scream, Pinning, Blind. Pinning can come from Psychic Powers and Barbed Stranglers, as well as Living Artillery. May kill a few extra guys. Blind from Gargoyles.

Fear is also another big thing, Dimachaeron should, theoretically, have a field day against them. Skytyrant formation also works well.

Flyrants are necessary to deal with backfield support (Mek Gunz and Lootas).

good idea i like to play some zoanthrope too and put a neurothrope in the team.

against blood angels ? what type of list you play?

Havn't played BA but I have played SM.

Flyrants, Carnifexes with Devourers and Exocrine put in a lot of work.

2 moar posts till 10000!!!!!

I'll save 100000 for JY2, as this thread is his baby.

But, have any of you guys had a chance to play against the new Ravenwing? I was very impressed. Played ATC mission 1 out to a 17-17 draw, even though I had a bit of bad luck early. The Darkshroud makes everything super hard to kill, and my opponent positioned it well so I never caught it with EGrubs. But the rerolling jinks is super useful vs Flyrants as he snapshots anyways. I did manage to do a lot of damage with assaults and flamer templates, S6 ap 4 was reliably getting me a bike a turn and Devourers would get me an odd kill, so I was just whittling them down for the endgame. I lost progressive that way but drew the center and won Emperors will. Sadly the game ended at 5, I think that by turn 6 I would've won.

Thanks jifel.






10,000 Milestone reached. WOOT!!!


Thanks to all for contributing!

 jifel wrote:
I'll save 100000 for JY2, as this thread is his baby.

But, have any of you guys had a chance to play against the new Ravenwing? I was very impressed. Played ATC mission 1 out to a 17-17 draw, even though I had a bit of bad luck early. The Darkshroud makes everything super hard to kill, and my opponent positioned it well so I never caught it with EGrubs. But the rerolling jinks is super useful vs Flyrants as he snapshots anyways. I did manage to do a lot of damage with assaults and flamer templates, S6 ap 4 was reliably getting me a bike a turn and Devourers would get me an odd kill, so I was just whittling them down for the endgame. I lost progressive that way but drew the center and won Emperors will. Sadly the game ended at 5, I think that by turn 6 I would've won.

They are really good and we will have problems against them. I had 1 game against them and I was floored by just how good they are! Now, to make adjustments to my BAO Tyranid list.

More on that later.

Congrats on the 10k !

Looks like I'll be bringing RW to ATC.

Not to derail the conversation, but has anyone come up with an effective way to deal with Reclamation Legion (4+ reanimate, re-roll 1's).

My friend recently got into the game (Awesome!!!!) and chose Necrons as his army. We have had a couple great, close battles. But that 4+ reanimate is just brutal. I CAN NOT put his stuff down. I have to play the objectives/tar pit him or it's GG.

Currently, I run 2 dakkafexes that have shredded marines for me very consistently. However, they barely scratch Necrons. I am thinking of changing out 1 of their TLDWBLW for a heavy venom cannon each. Ignore some armor and also threaten vehicles.

Thoughts?

Our gargantuan creatures are probably the most effective thing we have vs Necrons.

If you were going to swap out for a cannon, the Stranglethorn would be a better option. AP4 as well, only Str6, but large blast and pinning. It can still take a hullpoint away from transports occasionally too.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
If you were going to swap out for a cannon, the Stranglethorn would be a better option. AP4 as well, only Str6, but large blast and pinning. It can still take a hullpoint away from transports occasionally too.

I'm seeing AP5 for the Stranglethorn Cannon on battlescribe...

It is ap5.

That's embarrassing. Nevermind me then.

 Tyran wrote:
It is ap5.

I've been playing it as Ap4 for ever :(

And just when I thought Harpies had some use!

Here is a preview of my Bay Area Open (BAO) GT list. The BAO is a 2-day 1850 tournament on July 11-12 and there will be about 130 players or so.




Below is a closer pic of my converted and finally completed Tyranid beastie.



My goal is to win Best Tyranids and a Top 10 placing. Hope I can make the Hive Mind proud.

Feldon wrote:
Not to derail the conversation, but has anyone come up with an effective way to deal with Reclamation Legion (4+ reanimate, re-roll 1's).

My friend recently got into the game (Awesome!!!!) and chose Necrons as his army. We have had a couple great, close battles. But that 4+ reanimate is just brutal. I CAN NOT put his stuff down. I have to play the objectives/tar pit him or it's GG.

Currently, I run 2 dakkafexes that have shredded marines for me very consistently. However, they barely scratch Necrons. I am thinking of changing out 1 of their TLDWBLW for a heavy venom cannon each. Ignore some armor and also threaten vehicles.

Thoughts?

Actually i'm in the same position, my friend and I have just started playing and i'm currently 2-0 against him, MVP for both games has been the exocrine and biovores in the living artillery formation to deal with praetorians and warriors respectively with flyrants to deal with vehicles with either egrubs or 12 twin linked shots at str 6 wounding vehicles (from behind vs quantum shielding) usually being able to take out at least 1 vehicle per turn (i have 2 flyrants). Dakkafexes are great, malanthrope was also absolutely invaluable last game. With cover coming from gribblies out in front and the 2+ malanthropes there was at least a 3+ cover across alot of my army if you place him well.

My list was:

2 flyrants w/ egrubs and 2x tldwblw

12 hormagaunts x2
12 temagaunts
3 warriors w/ boneswords and 1x venom cannon for formation (i hold these back to help deal with deep striking praetorians and to give synapse + living artillery reroll to the exo and biovores)
Children of cryptus - although they tend to get destroyed my opponent really doesn't feel like he has any option but to try and tarpit them so infiltrating into cover with stealth to zone my opponent away from part of the map is great
1x exocrine
3x biovores
1x malanthrope
3x zoanthropes - Great for removing quantum shielding, the extra warp dice are great vs an army that doesnt have psykers
1x hive crone - great for dealing with flyers however may be unnecessary, i just use it because i like the model!

In the future my intentions are to drop the children of cryptus as well as either the hive crone or termagaunts and bring in a dimachaeron in a tyrannocyte.

All the best, necrons are really frustrating to play against!

Nice work, Jy2. It's nice to see a Tyranid conversion now and then. I don't see too many, which is a pity. I take it it represents a Dimachaeron?

 jy2 wrote:

Here is a preview of my Bay Area Open (BAO) GT list. The BAO is a 2-day 1850 tournament on July 11-12 and there will be about 130 players or so.




Below is a closer pic of my converted and finally completed Tyranid beastie.

Spoiler:

My goal is to win Best Tyranids and a Top 10 placing. Hope I can make the Hive Mind proud.

Going off what your picture is if guess your list is

5 x 240 Tyrants
6 x Mucoloids
Dimachaeron
3 x Mawlocs

But that comes in at 1910 points so I must be getting something wrong somewhere? Going to hazard a guess the other thing is going to be a count as Mawloc instead?

Good luck anyway! I'm sure you'll do us all proud.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

Here is a preview of my Bay Area Open (BAO) GT list. The BAO is a 2-day 1850 tournament on July 11-12 and there will be about 130 players or so.




Below is a closer pic of my converted and finally completed Tyranid beastie.

Spoiler:

My goal is to win Best Tyranids and a Top 10 placing. Hope I can make the Hive Mind proud.

Going off what your picture is if guess your list is

5 x 240 Tyrants
6 x Mucoloids
Dimachaeron
3 x Mawlocs

But that comes in at 1910 points so I must be getting something wrong somewhere? Going to hazard a guess the other thing is going to be a count as Mawloc instead?

Good luck anyway! I'm sure you'll do us all proud.

Interesting no malanthrope or way to control reserves with four mawlocs and five tyrants that will need reserving often.

 Funbug No.1 wrote:
Nice work, Jy2. It's nice to see a Tyranid conversion now and then. I don't see too many, which is a pity. I take it it represents a Dimachaeron?

Yeah, I converted it to be a dimachaeron.

However, for the purposes of this tournament, I am running him just as a mawloc. He will be the centerpiece of my army.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

Here is a preview of my Bay Area Open (BAO) GT list. The BAO is a 2-day 1850 tournament on July 11-12 and there will be about 130 players or so.

Spoiler:

Below is a closer pic of my converted and finally completed Tyranid beastie.

My goal is to win Best Tyranids and a Top 10 placing. Hope I can make the Hive Mind proud.

Going off what your picture is if guess your list is

5 x 240 Tyrants
6 x Mucoloids
Dimachaeron
3 x Mawlocs

But that comes in at 1910 points so I must be getting something wrong somewhere? Going to hazard a guess the other thing is going to be a count as Mawloc instead?

Good luck anyway! I'm sure you'll do us all proud.

Correct. I am running him as a mawloc.

There is 1 last minute change however. I swapped out 1 mucolid for 1x3 spore mines.

 997Turbo wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

Here is a preview of my Bay Area Open (BAO) GT list. The BAO is a 2-day 1850 tournament on July 11-12 and there will be about 130 players or so.

Spoiler:

Below is a closer pic of my converted and finally completed Tyranid beastie.

My goal is to win Best Tyranids and a Top 10 placing. Hope I can make the Hive Mind proud.

Going off what your picture is if guess your list is

5 x 240 Tyrants
6 x Mucoloids
Dimachaeron
3 x Mawlocs

But that comes in at 1910 points so I must be getting something wrong somewhere? Going to hazard a guess the other thing is going to be a count as Mawloc instead?

Good luck anyway! I'm sure you'll do us all proud.

Interesting no malanthrope or way to control reserves with four mawlocs and five tyrants that will need reserving often.

Yeah, it isn't very typical of most "balanced" Tyranid lists nowadays. But I've got a philosophy on which I am putting to the test. It may flop or it may do well. I'll see soon enough. Plus, I love to run more monsters.

Are you worried if you null reserve with the big guys, the spores will be blown off the table if terrain isnt heavy and you might get tabled early?
I've never dabbled really with a reserve/null style Nid list. I think its very interesting.

 Ratius wrote:
Are you worried if you null reserve with the big guys, the spores will be blown off the table if terrain isnt heavy and you might get tabled early?
I've never dabbled really with a reserve/null style Nid list. I think its very interesting.

It's not something you can rely on doing, more of if the opportunity and situation allows or requires it then you do it. If the table has no where to hide, you just wouldn't do it.

 jy2 wrote:

Here is a preview of my Bay Area Open (BAO) GT list. The BAO is a 2-day 1850 tournament on July 11-12 and there will be about 130 players or so.




Below is a closer pic of my converted and finally completed Tyranid beastie.

Spoiler:

My goal is to win Best Tyranids and a Top 10 placing. Hope I can make the Hive Mind proud.

Well, regardless, good luck on the tournament Jim. I don't think the Hive Mind will be discouraged by your efforts. Who knows, maybe on the way home the 7th edition Tyranid codex will be release for preorder.

BAO UPDATE:

So Game #1, I played against 5 Imperial Knights.

Game #2, I went up against Eldar with 5x5 Scatterbikes, 3x3 Hornets and Inquisition allies.

Game #3, I went up against Abusepuppy, who won the TSHFT GT earlier this year. He played Space Marines Battle Company with Eldar allies (4x3 Scatterbikes).

So far I am 3-0 on Day #1 and in the top 4.


Tomorrow is going to be really, really tough. My Game #4 opponent will be Alan "Pajamapants" Barajmovich, a multiple-GT winner, member of Team USA ETC and the top player currently after Day #1, on Table #1. If I can beat him, then I think I have a good shot at winning another major GT with Tyranids!


Wish me luck guys, I'm gonna need it.

 Ratius wrote:
Are you worried if you null reserve with the big guys, the spores will be blown off the table if terrain isnt heavy and you might get tabled early?
I've never dabbled really with a reserve/null style Nid list. I think its very interesting.

Not really. Mucolids have Shroud and so if I place them in ruins, then I will have 5 guys with 2+ cover saves. They aren't going to all die at once.

And then my spore mines are a unit that I can easily hide to ensure that I don't get tabled.

BTW, the terrain at BAO is pretty top-notch. You can expect almost every table to have some type of LOS-blocking terrain and ruins symmetrically. Chances are really good that I will be able to count on decent terrain. Now that is what a good tournament should provide - good and fair terrain for all.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Are you worried if you null reserve with the big guys, the spores will be blown off the table if terrain isnt heavy and you might get tabled early?
I've never dabbled really with a reserve/null style Nid list. I think its very interesting.

It's not something you can rely on doing, more of if the opportunity and situation allows or requires it then you do it. If the table has no where to hide, you just wouldn't do it.

That's right, and if I have to, I will deploy 1 or even 2 mawlocs as well as flyrants if necessary. So if the opponent has, for example, 6 alpha-strike units, then I will deploy a total of 7 units (if terrain is bad) to ensure that at least 1 unit will survive.

Basically, deployment is very important but the Tyranids have what it takes to survive most alpha-strikes.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

Well, regardless, good luck on the tournament Jim. I don't think the Hive Mind will be discouraged by your efforts. Who knows, maybe on the way home the 7th edition Tyranid codex will be release for preorder.

Thanks! And as long as I don't lose too badly my next 2 games, I think I will reach my goals. Tomorrow, I can potentially win the whole tournament if I get 2 more wins.

 jy2 wrote:

Spoiler:

BAO UPDATE:

So Game #1, I played against 5 Imperial Knights.

Game #2, I went up against Eldar with 5x5 Scatterbikes, 3x3 Hornets and Inquisition allies.

Game #3, I went up against Abusepuppy, who won the TSHFT GT earlier this year. He played Space Marines Battle Company with Eldar allies (4x3 Scatterbikes).

So far I am 3-0 on Day #1 and in the top 4.


Tomorrow is going to be really, really tough. My Game #4 opponent will be Alan "Pajamapants" Barajmovich, a multiple-GT winner, member of Team USA ETC and the top player currently after Day #1, on Table #1. If I can beat him, then I think I have a good shot at winning another major GT with Tyranids!


Wish me luck guys, I'm gonna need it.

 Ratius wrote:
Are you worried if you null reserve with the big guys, the spores will be blown off the table if terrain isnt heavy and you might get tabled early?
I've never dabbled really with a reserve/null style Nid list. I think its very interesting.

Not really. Mucolids have Shroud and so if I place them in ruins, then I will have 5 guys with 2+ cover saves. They aren't going to all die at once.

And then my spore mines are a unit that I can easily hide to ensure that I don't get tabled.

BTW, the terrain at BAO is pretty top-notch. You can expect almost every table to have some type of LOS-blocking terrain and ruins symmetrically. Chances are really good that I will be able to count on decent terrain. Now that is what a good tournament should provide - good and fair terrain for all.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Are you worried if you null reserve with the big guys, the spores will be blown off the table if terrain isnt heavy and you might get tabled early?
I've never dabbled really with a reserve/null style Nid list. I think its very interesting.

It's not something you can rely on doing, more of if the opportunity and situation allows or requires it then you do it. If the table has no where to hide, you just wouldn't do it.

That's right, and if I have to, I will deploy 1 or even 2 mawlocs as well as flyrants if necessary. So if the opponent has, for example, 6 alpha-strike units, then I will deploy a total of 7 units (if terrain is bad) to ensure that at least 1 unit will survive.

Basically, deployment is very important but the Tyranids have what it takes to survive most alpha-strikes.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

Well, regardless, good luck on the tournament Jim. I don't think the Hive Mind will be discouraged by your efforts. Who knows, maybe on the way home the 7th edition Tyranid codex will be release for preorder.

Thanks! And as long as I don't lose too badly my next 2 games, I think I will reach my goals. Tomorrow, I can potentially win the whole tournament if I get 2 more wins.

Hmm, good stuff! Glad to hear you're doing so well so far, and best of luck in your next game! It'd be great to see Nids bring home another GT win. By the way, are you bringing Nids or SM to the ATC this year?