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@ Slayer

How many Wave Serpents do you play with?

Why are you allowing someone to cheat - that does not help them or you and makes your expereinces fairly pointless.

Terrain - well unless every piece is LOS blocking which is increadably rare then the Serpent shield ignores cover.

Are you saying that your opponents always play on a terrain heavy board?

we have a board that is covered in trenches, 4 by 8 feet board, 6-8 pieces of los blocking terrain including a forest right in the middle (can't shoot through it). Then they bring an ageis that goes between 2 building 24"away from my back field blocking/giving 2+ cover (thanks to zoanthropes that are hidden behind the forest/in it).

I use 4 serpents (used to use 3 with a falcon but since they blew it up first turn every time to get rid of my dragons i switched to a serpent. SO 4 serpents, 2 prisms, 2 nightwings, Farseer-jb-mantle, rangers, jet bikes, and now i am adding a night spinner by decreasing my da squads to 5 people. also autarch with mask, fusion gun, shiver)
The armies i face, tau, necrons, imperial guard, nids.(most common armies.)

 Slayer222 wrote:
On the table at my group their is so much terrain it is almost impossible to get side shots at tanks, and a ba wall means you won't be getting side shots. as for not alot of shots vs hordes, if you want to stay out of range your only firing the shield, and even with both shield and scatter (my average) was about 3-5 hormagaunts/termaguants that died.

I can get side shots on BA with BA. You can get side shots on BA with Eldar. Especially since the AV 13 wall has lots of short range weapons.

Do you only ever use the same board? We play on vareity from open to crowded (as it should be - people should get to play on all sorts of tables IMO). Usually most people seem to be playing on fairly open baords, especially at tourneys where they are suually pretty open.

Also again your Serpent shield ignore the cover saves of everything.....

Do you play different missions?

If you are playing against people who both cheat and always insist on a set board when then they are being TFG IMO

Only one board and my opponents get to set it up before i arrive, we roll randomly for deployment type, and game type but purge and relic the opponents say they don't play those games, the person builds his list right their and then after knowing the objective type and zones....

 Slayer222 wrote:
Only one board and my opponents get to set it up before i arrive, we roll randomly for deployment type, and game type but purge and relic the opponents say they don't play those games, the person builds his list right their and then after knowing the objective type and zones....

Ok then they are blantently cheating in so many ways - is there any way you can discuss this with them and try and get them to play the game properly?

Their house their rules, they only have 1 table, the terrain can be changed though, but they also get a bigger say on how it looks. As for the move cheating last night i put my foot down and everytime he measured i placed my finger the max distance, he tried putting his big creatures half way on my finger and i kept pushing saying "hey" from when he measured, but i hate being a rules lawyer.

 Slayer222 wrote:
Their house their rules, they only have 1 table, the terrain can be changed though, but they also get a bigger say on how it looks. As for the move cheating last night i put my foot down and everytime he measured i placed my finger the max distance, he tried putting his big creatures half way on my finger and i kept pushing saying "hey" from when he measured, but i hate being a rules lawyer.

Thats not being a rules lawyer that just playing the game - do they ever play anyone else because people will get pretty annoyed with this sort of behaviour?

I've done a 2 days with the group, and have seen people their my first day, but my second day (3 weeks later) i was the only one and the other guy cancelled at the last minute.

Well thats hard, they are certianly taking advantage of you at present..............if you have other options that I would try them but if not try and talk to them about trying other stuff and implementing more of the actual rules.....

Trust me i have been putting rules down since day one;
Quantom shield is not all the way round
Ignore shacken/stun does not ignore hull point lost
The flyers don't have the quantum shield
He cannot disbark along the path of the flyer (beggining/end)
He cannot assault out the flyer/monolith
The monolith coming counts as his unit moving when they "disembark from it"
Support fire need los
No flat out and firing of weapons for the guys inside the open topped transport
Entropike strike needs to wound and fail their save or the guy played it if he hit the armour was gone
His fmc / Mc have 1 wound less than he says they do
Marker lights does not boost the unit firing(markerligh+overwatch on own unit.)
Mind shackle- need base to base at start of sub phase, D3 attacks, not Assault characteristic
You can't get terrain cover for the whole unit if only one model is inside it.
You can't assault out of the necron flyer.
All necron vehicles do not have 4hp and do not have quantom shield gak
THe list goes on but that is all i can remember right now,
Repair cannot bring the unit past the max size
Repair of 1 causes hp lost no saves
(we did allow the lord(part of the court) to come back as a repair with full wounds)

I read all their codex's so that i can stop them from blatenly cheating
And then we have to argue about rules that are in the slighest bit obscure, i usually let them go then the next game bring up my research to fight/stop this from happening.

 Slayer222 wrote:
Trust me i have been putting rules down since day one;
Quantom shield is not all the way round
Ignore shacken/stun does not ignore hull point lost
The flyers don't have the quantum shield
He cannot disbark along the path of the flyer (beggining/end)
He cannot assault out the flyer/monolith
The monolith coming counts as his unit moving when they "disembark from it"
Support fire need los
No flat out and firing of weapons for the guys inside the open topped transport
Entropike strike needs to wound and fail their save or the guy played it if he hit the armour was gone
His fmc / Mc have 1 wound less than he says they do
Marker lights does not boost the unit firing(markerligh+overwatch on own unit.)
Mind shackle- need base to base at start of sub phase, D3 attacks, not Assault characteristic
You can't get terrain cover for the whole unit if only one model is inside it.
You can't assault out of the necron flyer.
All necron vehicles do not have 4hp and do not have quantom shield gak
THe list goes on but that is all i can remember right now,
Repair cannot bring the unit past the max size
Repair of 1 causes hp lost no saves
(we did allow the lord(part of the court) to come back as a repair with full wounds)

I read all their codex's so that i can stop them from blatenly cheating
And then we have to argue about rules that are in the slighest bit obscure, i usually let them go then the next game bring up my research to fight/stop this from happening.

Holy crap man. You're a saint to be playing with all of this and still be having fun. That is just soooo many broken rules that go way beyond simple misunderstandings. I especially love how they wanted an entire UNIT to get a cover save if ONE MODEL of the unit has a toe in area terrain? That's just hilarious!

Also the fact that they exaggerate the number of hull points on their vehicles and the amount of wounds on their monstrous creatures. Whew.

You're to be congratulated for playing with these folks and not tearing your own hair out.