THREE Tyranid dataslates confirmed update page 13

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**streamdragon**

BlackArmour wrote:while I totally understand your point and don't really disagree with it, I think this goes back to a lot of nid players saying their biggest complaint about this codex was it was boring, unimaginative, and all around didn't play at all like nids should be played. This goes at least a little bit of the way to fixing that and gives you another play style and one that a lot of people will want to play around with even if its not really a competition grade list ability being that you are HEAVILY relying on a 4+ and synapse being around the turn after you come out of the tunnel ( you don't test after coming from reserves of course).

as far as dataslates go I personally am not as offended by them as I feel others are , considering they are a smart business move for the company and can make a lot of sense for things like space marine companys/chapters etc.

However I've got to admit this one bothers me a little, Endless Swarm should've 100% been in the codex , that would've ended/tempered a good portion of the complaints about the codex release in the first place and I highly doubt anyone would've dared to call it OP as you have to prey for a 4+ and if you don't get it then your whole game plan is down the drain.

While I have an issue paying another $10 buck a pop for essentially a handful of pages from a codex already purchased, I was actually referring to peoples hesitance to allow them in games and tournaments. I'm pretty sure there are a few threads in Dakka Discussions and Tournament Discussions boards on the issue.

I won't get into what I feel about the actual implementation of dataslates. Suffice to say I have purchased 0 and will continue to purchase 0 of them. This one, as you said, definitely feels like GW simply cut the pages out of the codex, pasted them into a new file and slapped a price tag on it. It really says something ugly about an already poorly received codex, and I'm not referring to the receipt of its power level so much as its content.

Souleater wrote:I agree that stuff like this should have been in the Codex as an option to make up for our lack of Allies.

Or the removal of our spore pods.

Given how quickly Gaunt broods can be shredded I can see this as being useful in one form or another. Sure it isn't perfect but

That would require GW to be willing to acknowledge those things are an issue. I frankly doubt that they are that big.

**jifel**

Incubator node
1 tervigon
3 termagant broods

Tervigon rerolls 1's when spawning

synaptic swarm
1 tyranid prime
3 tyranid warrior broods
18" synapse range

Skyblight Swarm
1 winged tyrant
1 hive crone
2 harpies
3 gargoyle broods
gargoyles have the endless swarm rule (when a unit is destroyed an identical unit is put into ongoing reserve on a 4+)
gargoyles also can control objective markers even if an enemy scoringh unit is in range of it

living artillery node
1 exocrine
3 biovores
1 tyranid warrior brood (must have biocannon)
All ranged weapons fired by models in this Formation have the Pinning special rule. In addition, models in this Formation that are within 12" of this Formation’s Tyranid Warrior Brood can re-roll the scatter dice when firing weapons with the Blast or Barrage special rule

Endless Swarm
3 hormagaunt broods
2 termagant broods
1 tyranid warrior brood
Endless Swarm

Apparently the dataslate is available overseas. I personally haven't bought it yet, but the above is from someone who has...

**Eldarain**

If true it seems to be a pretty big difference in the quality of things available as dataslates and what came in the codex itself.

Gargoyles with Endless Swarm that score regardless of contesting units is crazy.

**neiltj1**

living artillery looks great. exocrine and 3 biovores +3 heavy slots still to fill. so awesome.

**Redsox84**

3 flyrants
4 crones
2 harpies
3 x 10 + gargoyles that score no matter what
2 x 10 termagaunts

1840 pts

Hmmmmm....

**Enceladus**

Wait, what? I can take an Exocrine and 3 Biovores outside of FoC and use the 3 remaining Heavy Support slots to field Dakkafexes and Mawlocs? Sold...

**Terror from the Deep**

Scoring gargoyles is pretty sweet, the tax for them isn't too bad either. 3 x 30 blobs will be very hard to shift once on objectives, and the fact they come back on a 4+ is just the icing on the cake

**rigeld2**

I kinda like the living artillery one...

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

I can see a lot of nid players awakening from a two-month long depression.

Skyblight is exactly what we wanted... yes we have to get an extra harpy rather than a crone, but controlling an objective, even if there's an imperial knight, or an entire army camping on it, is beautiful.

And if they kill the gargoyles, you can deep-strike them back in!

There is a weakness if the mission is The Relic, of course; but this means gargoyles score for both conventional missions and The Scouring. This is a huge boost to nids, if you already like Flying Circus; the Gargoyles are like super-scoring troops, that don't only contest objectives, they control them.

Overall, the new dataslate really encourages diverse builds; yes, it's annoying this wasn't in the codex proper, but nonetheless it looks pretty exciting and a very valid compensation for the lack of Allies. And remember, if you have allies, you need to buy a second codex, in exactly the same way you need to buy a dataslate

**ZebioLizard2**

Good job nids, you have something to look forward too now. Let the swarm begin!

Also since the first set was the 'stealthy invaders' the second the main war and infinite swarm, that must mean the third dataslate is going to be the Big Biomorphs at this rate, hopefully we see something nice for melee carnifex.

**Kirasu**

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
I can see a lot of nid players awakening from a two-month long depression.

Overall, the new dataslate really encourages diverse builds; yes, it's annoying this wasn't in the codex proper, but nonetheless it looks pretty exciting and a very valid compensation for the lack of Allies. And remember, if you have allies, you need to buy a second codex, in exactly the same way you need to buy a dataslate

Well not entirely true.. You don't technically need to *buy* either of them if you have friends who you can borrow one from. Although I rather buy a dataslate than entire other book. Second thing is, the ally codex already exists in the game so you're not really wondering if GW will even create a dataslate to fix problems. In this case they did, but if I'm playing Tau I don't need to hold my breath for a space marine codex for example.

**RiTides**

Wow, those dataslate formations look pretty good (Skyblight swarm and Living artillery swarm, that is).

I wasn't expecting dataslates to be allowed in events due to the fact that they break the FOC and give units free buffs... better units, with no additional points cost, that don't use a FOC slot is just kind of OTT.

That said, nids kinda need it so if an event allows these... sweet

jifel wrote:
Incubator node
1 tervigon
3 termagant broods

Tervigon rerolls 1's when spawning

synaptic swarm
1 tyranid prime
3 tyranid warrior broods
18" synapse range

Skyblight Swarm
1 winged tyrant
1 hive crone
2 harpies
3 gargoyle broods
gargoyles have the endless swarm rule (when a unit is destroyed an identical unit is put into ongoing reserve on a 4+)
gargoyles also can control objective markers even if an enemy scoringh unit is in range of it

living artillery node
1 exocrine
3 biovores
1 tyranid warrior brood (must have biocannon)
All ranged weapons fired by models in this Formation have the Pinning special rule. In addition, models in this Formation that are within 12" of this Formation’s Tyranid Warrior Brood can re-roll the scatter dice when firing weapons with the Blast or Barrage special rule

Endless Swarm
3 hormagaunt broods
2 termagant broods
1 tyranid warrior brood
Endless Swarm

**SHUPPET**

The outside of FoC units do not count as your mandatory troops, does this also mean that troop units from outside the FoC are no longer scoring?

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

Shuppet, it's been debated on another thread,but it seems pretty clear that troops from the Formations count as scoring (like the über Gargoyles)

Kirasu wrote:
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
I can see a lot of nid players awakening from a two-month long depression.

Overall, the new dataslate really encourages diverse builds; yes, it's annoying this wasn't in the codex proper, but nonetheless it looks pretty exciting and a very valid compensation for the lack of Allies. And remember, if you have allies, you need to buy a second codex, in exactly the same way you need to buy a dataslate

Well not entirely true.. You don't technically need to *buy* either of them if you have friends who you can borrow one from. Although I rather buy a dataslate than entire other book. Second thing is, the ally codex already exists in the game so you're not really wondering if GW will even create a dataslate to fix problems. In this case they did, but if I'm playing Tau I don't need to hold my breath for a space marine codex for example.

I wouldn't argue with that; but most people, like us, are likely to end up buying a second codex if they have allies. You can manage without it, of course, just as you can run dataslate formations without actually owning the dataslate.

Yes, dataslates hit the wallet, but mostly via the purchase of more Harpies, Gargoyles, Warriors etc etc.

**rollawaythestone**

Any confirmation yet about which Endless Swarm is correct? There are two versions. 3 or 2 Termagant units?

**SHUPPET**

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Shuppet, it's been debated on another thread,but it seems pretty clear that troops from the Formations count as scoring (like the über Gargoyles)

TY Oblivion. Mind linking me to the other thread? Not sure which one it is, but wouldn't mind reading the debate.

Also wondering if they count as troops for the purpose of Hive Commander (it would be my expectation that they do not as they are not troops in the FoC, which is unfortunate to say the least)

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

SHUPPET wrote:
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Shuppet, it's been debated on another thread,but it seems pretty clear that troops from the Formations count as scoring (like the über Gargoyles)

TY Oblivion. Mind linking me to the other thread? Not sure which one it is, but wouldn't mind reading the debate.

Also wondering if they count as troops for the purpose of Hive Commander (it would be my expectation that they do not as they are not troops in the FoC, which is unfortunate to say the least)

You're welcome. Thread is here.

Hive Commander does have quite specific wording which means you're right, it doesn't apply to Formations Troops.

**puree**

Skyblight is exactly what we wanted... yes we have to get an extra harpy rather than a crone, but controlling an objective, even if there's an imperial knight, or an entire army camping on it, is beautiful.

The quote earlier says scoring unit, so you can still be denied the objective by non scoring units.

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

puree wrote:
Skyblight is exactly what we wanted... yes we have to get an extra harpy rather than a crone, but controlling an objective, even if there's an imperial knight, or an entire army camping on it, is beautiful.

The quote earlier says scoring unit, so you can still be denied the objective by non scoring units.

No, it says that the Gargoyles score, unless the other unit on the objective "also has this special rule." (The rule is named Objective Secured).

rollawaythestone wrote:
Any confirmation yet about which Endless Swarm is correct? There are two versions. 3 or 2 Termagant units?

Someone posted a screen-grab from the eBook version that says 3 and 3. The iBook version says 3 and 3. I could be proved wrong, but I reckon the 2 and 3 formation is from an old version, I think the eBook preview.

**SHUPPET**

The one thing that I'm sure of about this supplement - it is going to move units of the Exocrine and Harpy/Crone kit.

Keep your eyes peeled for next months supplement, including Haruspex and Hive Guard buff, sell the kits all over again.

**xttz**

Is there a preview at the end of the book for the next part again? If so, what's on the cover?

**Kirasu**

I'm just surprised GW just doesn't sell customized data slates.. Pay 99.95 and you can write your own rules!

**aushlo**

Looks like the dataslates are pretty much the extra FOC slots that were rumored, from before the Codex release. I'm excited to see what the next one is, I like the style of both releases so far. Keeping fingers crossed for Hive Guard and perhaps even some Fortifications?

**H.B.M.C.**

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
I can see a lot of nid players awakening from a two-month long depression.

So they can pay more money to get some marginal effectiveness out of their gakky Codex? Nah. I doubt it.

**SBG**

I'm in with both feet, margarine or no! I can't believe it's not butter!

**H.B.M.C.**

Kirasu wrote:
I'm just surprised GW just doesn't sell customized data slates.. Pay 99.95 and you can write your own rules!

They wouldn't be able to control that, and we know how much GW loves their control!

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
I can see a lot of nid players awakening from a two-month long depression.

So they can pay more money to get some marginal effectiveness out of their gakky Codex? Nah. I doubt it.

Sure, but when life gives you lemons, make lemonade. WE play Flying Circus so the new 'slate is perfect for us . If we had allies, we'd have to shell out for their codex, in any case.

**barnowl**

xttz wrote:
Is there a preview at the end of the book for the next part again? If so, what's on the cover?

Just a plug for the first one :(

**SHUPPET**

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
I can see a lot of nid players awakening from a two-month long depression.

So they can pay more money to get some marginal effectiveness out of their gakky Codex? Nah. I doubt it.

Sure, but when life gives you lemons, make lemonade. WE play Flying Circus so the new 'slate is perfect for us . If we had allies, we'd have to shell out for their codex, in any case.

I agree with HBMC tho. The new options we have are restrictive as hell. Seem to average around 500 points to take one of these swarms. Sure if that is your list already you just got respawning scoring Gargoyles, good news for you. For the rest of us, it's pretty much "build a diversified list the way we want to", or "take one of these swarms and make sure we spend the rest of our points buying the right models to support them". Not what I would call a great product - but hey what little variation it does offer, I won't argue against I guess.

**barnowl**

SHUPPET wrote:
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
I can see a lot of nid players awakening from a two-month long depression.

So they can pay more money to get some marginal effectiveness out of their gakky Codex? Nah. I doubt it.

Sure, but when life gives you lemons, make lemonade. WE play Flying Circus so the new 'slate is perfect for us . If we had allies, we'd have to shell out for their codex, in any case.

I agree with HBMC tho. The new options we have are restrictive as hell. Seem to average around 500 points to take one of these swarms. Sure if that is your list already you just got respawning scoring Gargoyles, good news for you. For the rest of us, it's pretty much "build a diversified list the way we want to", or "take one of these swarms and make sure we spend the rest of our points buying the right models to support them". Not what I would call a great product - but hey what little variation it does offer, I won't argue against I guess.

Cheapest and most useful seems to be the Living Artillery Node needs 7 models most nid players will already have runs 405 minimum for rerolling scatter on up to 4+ large blasts.