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Joyboozer wrote:
Oh thank god, I was worried they'd stopped producing nothing but short stories and anthologies!

There's two novels coming out in the next three months (Path of Heaven and Angels of Caliban).

I just stumbled on this on Amazon:

Praetorian of Dorn (Horus Heresy) Paperback – 17 Jan 2017 John French (Amazon seem to be confusing him with the British WWI General!)

The Horus Heresy reaches the Solar System - will the defences of Rogal Dorn and his Imperial Fists hold against the onslaught?
Recalled from the Great Crusade after Ullanor, Rogal Dorn and the VIIth Legion were appointed as the Emperor s praetorians but only after the Warmaster s treachery was revealed did the full extent of that sacred duty become apparent. Now, the Solar System comes under attack for the first time since the war began, and many of the seemingly impregnable defences wrought by the Imperial Fists prove inadequate. With all eyes fixed firmly upon this new threat beyond the gates of Terra, who will protect Dorn from the enemy within?"

We actually might be getting somewhere

 ImAGeek wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Oh thank god, I was worried they'd stopped producing nothing but short stories and anthologies!

There's two novels coming out in the next three months (Path of Heaven and Angels of Caliban).

When that becomes the norm I'll stop complaining and start reading.

Eusebius wrote:
Praetorian of Dorn (Horus Heresy) Paperback – 17 Jan 2017 John French (Amazon seem to be confusing him with the British WWI General!)

Amazon is usually pretty bad with release dates - I remember getting a notice to buy the recently released Only War when we were still writing the core rulebook! - so it'll probably be something closer to 17/01/2117.

Mr French handed in the manuscript a few days ago IIRC.


meanwhile....

http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-titles/new-feat/the-lost-king-eshort.html

The Lost King

Part 1 of the War Zone Fenris Quick Reads series

You can get this story now from the Free Product section of your My Downloads page

Fenris is besieged, and the Space Wolves – with some unlikely allies – battle daemonic invaders across the system. When contact is lost with the Chapter Master, are the Space Wolves doomed to destruction?


THE STORY
The Fenris system, home of the savage and feral Space Wolves Chapter, is overrun by the forces of Chaos. On planets and moons armies of daemons manifest to enact a campaign of slaughter, and the Wolves are forced to defend themselves on all fronts. As the fighting escalates, all contact with Logan Grimnar is lost. Can the Space Wolves find their missing Chapter Master, or is he dead, as the daemons claim?

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/40k-qu-re/warzone-fenris-sub.html

Legacy of Russ Subscription

Fenris is besieged, and the Space Wolves – with some unlikely allies – battle daemonic invaders across the system. When contact is lost with the Chapter Master, are the Space Wolves doomed to destruction?

SUBSCRIBE TO IT BECAUSE
It's the official continuation of the most exciting event to hit the Warhammer 40,000 universe in ages – discover what happened after the end of 'War Zone Fenris: Curse of the Wulfen' in a series of short stories that pit the Space Wolves against their most ancient and hated foes in a battle for their very survival…

http://books.simonandschuster.com/Carcharodons-Red-Tithe/Robbie-MacNiven/Warhammer-40-000/9781784964481

The most inhuman of Space Marines, the Carcharodons Astra, engage the Night Lords on the prison world of Zartak.

On the prison world of Zartak, darkness has fallen on Arbitrators and inmates alike. The Night Lords have come, and with them the shadow of fear and pain. However, the Chaos Space Marines are not the only faction with deadly designs on Zartak. From the void, running on silent, another fleet emerges. Its warriors are grey-clad and white-faced, and their eyes are as black as the Outer Dark… the savage Carcharodons Astra -

.. sounds like a delightful match up indeed, looking forwards to this one....

Joyboozer wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Oh thank god, I was worried they'd stopped producing nothing but short stories and anthologies!

There's two novels coming out in the next three months (Path of Heaven and Angels of Caliban).

When that becomes the norm I'll stop complaining and start reading.

Why don't you give the beast arises a go then? It all single novels at a reasonable £13 per novel. And so far they are superb. Little in the way of Bolter porn, plenty of political intrigue and insights into imperial 'history' it's a real gem of a series so far.

Thirteen pounds per book is reasonable? For less than half that, I can buy a quality novel that doesn't have the BL imprint, or maybe even a used BL novel from the days when they put out good novels at actually reasonable prices.

1000/1 the Space Wolves successfully defend their homeworld and emerge on top? Phhffftt it is clearly going to be a 1/1 chance... Space Wolves sell too well. I'm interested to see how they do it though.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Thirteen pounds per book is reasonable? For less than half that, I can buy a quality novel that doesn't have the BL imprint, or maybe even a used BL novel from the days when they put out good novels at actually reasonable prices.

They are hardback. All hardback books are expensive. Books in general aren't cheap these days. '

 ImAGeek wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Thirteen pounds per book is reasonable? For less than half that, I can buy a quality novel that doesn't have the BL imprint, or maybe even a used BL novel from the days when they put out good novels at actually reasonable prices.

They are hardback. All hardback books are expensive. Books in general aren't cheap these days. '

My digital copies are hardback, wtf GW?
So who here enjoys episodic books? Is it seriously unprofitable to release the story as one single novel?

Joyboozer wrote:

My digital copies are hardback, wtf GW?
So who here enjoys episodic books? Is it seriously unprofitable to release the story as one single novel?

I think it must earn them less that way, one long story in a big book.
Im not much of a fan of how they do it, Id much prefer for a story to have slow parts to it, with the episode strategy, entire books are often lacking.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Thirteen pounds per book is reasonable? For less than half that, I can buy a quality novel that doesn't have the BL imprint, or maybe even a used BL novel from the days when they put out good novels at actually reasonable prices.

Its not bad when you consider its a hardcover. You may get cheaper books in tesco, but they are heavily discounted and only sell books aimed at the mass markets, maybe this type of mass market fiction is what you prefer. I have bought some of Conn Iggulden's and Bernard Cornwalls novels in Tescos in hardback at £9.99 which is great value. But they can only afford to sell it as this price due to the huge sales. Gothic sci fi isnt going to fly off the shelves in Tescos so i don't mind paying a little more for something a little more off the well worn path. I also think authors should be rewarded for good work, I want my favourite writers thinking about stories, not if they can afford a roof over their heads or taking a part time job to supplement their income.

Joyboozer wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Thirteen pounds per book is reasonable? For less than half that, I can buy a quality novel that doesn't have the BL imprint, or maybe even a used BL novel from the days when they put out good novels at actually reasonable prices.

They are hardback. All hardback books are expensive. Books in general aren't cheap these days. '

My digital copies are hardback, wtf GW?
So who here enjoys episodic books? Is it seriously unprofitable to release the story as one single novel?

Love them, especially this series. And since we know how many books, regular release and each book promises big events, and so far delivers. Gav Thorpe talked about this in our interview last night about how the series started. About 3 years ago, they had a chunk of time to fill in between the only two mentions in the fluff prior, the Beast and the Beheading. Everything else they had reign to develop and still surprise us al it your undoing any fluff the series does a delightful job of war, imperial politcs, a new kind of Ork besides cartoony ones, and a lot of Easter eggs. Once the project kicked back up again as things moved around they've plotted out quit a series, as anyone can see on the BL page for each upcoming book. It's worth a peak, at least. You may just like it

Not sure what you mean by digital. Copies are hard back, though.

Great, insanity has become the norm, now I'm the crazy one.

 Knockagh wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Thirteen pounds per book is reasonable? For less than half that, I can buy a quality novel that doesn't have the BL imprint, or maybe even a used BL novel from the days when they put out good novels at actually reasonable prices.

Its not bad when you consider its a hardcover. You may get cheaper books in tesco, but they are heavily discounted and only sell books aimed at the mass markets, maybe this type of mass market fiction is what you prefer. I have bought some of Conn Iggulden's and Bernard Cornwalls novels in Tescos in hardback at £9.99 which is great value. But they can only afford to sell it as this price due to the huge sales. Gothic sci fi isnt going to fly off the shelves in Tescos so i don't mind paying a little more for something a little more off the well worn path. I also think authors should be rewarded for good work, I want my favourite writers thinking about stories, not if they can afford a roof over their heads or taking a part time job to supplement their income.

Saying it's not bad considering it's a hardcover is missing the point. They should not be hardcovers at all. It is just naked greed, and it harms their market share. Star Wars, Star Trek, DnD, even Halo are all still publishing MMPB's regularly. Those are bestselling series. Carrie Vaughn's books are bestsellers, but even the last in the series came out as a mass market paperback. Jim Butcher's books and George R R Martin's books are reprinted in paperback all the time. Sure, they get hardcovers a year in advance of the MMPB's, but the paperbacks do come out eventually and stay out. What is the last MMPB BL published? Why do they not follow industry standards?

Also keep in mind that book prices are lower in general in the US. I bought most of the Conn Iggulden and Bernard Cornwell books for about $4 from used books stores or the remainder racks at big box book stores. Amazon will ship them to my house for the sticker price, which is less than $9.99. What you call great value, we call dead stock.

Or are you implying all fiction is meant to be consumed in hardback? Hardcover space marine books feel like watching a Roger Corman film in Carnegie Hall. Just not worth it. I mean, I could maybe see buying the next Harry Potter in hardcover, but the extra cost can be rationalized as spoiler protection. Abaddon: Slip and Fall? No thanks.

Every HH novel comes out in MMPB about a year after its released, like other books, so they do follow industry standards, at least with them.

They have? I haven't seen any HH MMPBs around here in a year or more. Still, BL stopped selling any non HH books in MMPB around the time the second books came out in the Time of Legends series for the War of the Beard and The Night of the Restless Dead. Even before that, new mass markets were Rare. For the new William King novels, ttrades were still worth it. For some cash-in Gotrek or Ulrika yarn, they were excessive. Also, the Eisenhorn and Cain omnibuses were $9.99 when they came out and had three books in them. Bane blade and other product advert novels raised the price to $16 for one book. The rate of price increase was simply insane. Readers might have had a chance to get used to the prices if they had risen slowly, like the temperature of a cooking frog, but BL tried to be that guy who goes straiglght for the shocker.

I asked them about MMPB on their FB page a few week ago and they said something to the effect of "we'll continue releasing HH MMPB one year after the hardback release as we're doing now".

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Knockagh wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Thirteen pounds per book is reasonable? For less than half that, I can buy a quality novel that doesn't have the BL imprint, or maybe even a used BL novel from the days when they put out good novels at actually reasonable prices.

Its not bad when you consider its a hardcover. You may get cheaper books in tesco, but they are heavily discounted and only sell books aimed at the mass markets, maybe this type of mass market fiction is what you prefer. I have bought some of Conn Iggulden's and Bernard Cornwalls novels in Tescos in hardback at £9.99 which is great value. But they can only afford to sell it as this price due to the huge sales. Gothic sci fi isnt going to fly off the shelves in Tescos so i don't mind paying a little more for something a little more off the well worn path. I also think authors should be rewarded for good work, I want my favourite writers thinking about stories, not if they can afford a roof over their heads or taking a part time job to supplement their income.

Saying it's not bad considering it's a hardcover is missing the point. They should not be hardcovers at all. It is just naked greed, and it harms their market share. Star Wars, Star Trek, DnD, even Halo are all still publishing MMPB's regularly. Those are bestselling series. Carrie Vaughn's books are bestsellers, but even the last in the series came out as a mass market paperback. Jim Butcher's books and George R R Martin's books are reprinted in paperback all the time. Sure, they get hardcovers a year in advance of the MMPB's, but the paperbacks do come out eventually and stay out. What is the last MMPB BL published? Why do they not follow industry standards?

Also keep in mind that book prices are lower in general in the US. I bought most of the Conn Iggulden and Bernard Cornwell books for about $4 from used books stores or the remainder racks at big box book stores. Amazon will ship them to my house for the sticker price, which is less than $9.99. What you call great value, we call dead stock.

Or are you implying all fiction is meant to be consumed in hardback? Hardcover space marine books feel like watching a Roger Corman film in Carnegie Hall. Just not worth it. I mean, I could maybe see buying the next Harry Potter in hardcover, but the extra cost can be rationalized as spoiler protection. Abaddon: Slip and Fall? No thanks.

Yea I probably would put all books out in hardcover. I'm not a fan of softback books. They look like nothing after one read and look awful in years to come. I only buy a softcover if there is no alternative. Hardcover enhances the reading experience for me. I also don't buy second hand books for several reasons mostly because I want to remunerate the author whose book I bought. But also I just don't find them nice to read.

Im a bit on the edge whether to get The emperor expects after the let down that was Predator Prey,

Im not really into bolter porn but I found this one went too far the other way, it was getting a bit too bogged down with the imperial politics for my liking, I found it well written but just not very interesting or gripping in the slightest.

Anyone have anything good to say about "the emperor expects" ?
Is it still mostly political intrigue ?

 Rayvon wrote:
Im a bit on the edge whether to get The emperor expects after the let down that was Predator Prey,

Im not really into bolter porn but I found this one went too far the other way, it was getting a bit too bogged down with the imperial politics for my liking, I found it well written but just not very interesting or gripping in the slightest.

Anyone have anything good to say about "the emperor expects" ?
Is it still mostly political intrigue ?

Political intrique is there of course but also some navy action.

 Rayvon wrote:
Im a bit on the edge whether to get The emperor expects after the let down that was Predator Prey,

Im not really into bolter porn but I found this one went too far the other way, it was getting a bit too bogged down with the imperial politics for my liking, I found it well written but just not very interesting or gripping in the slightest.

Anyone have anything good to say about "the emperor expects" ?
Is it still mostly political intrigue ?

Yes!
Imp politics, navy politics and shenanigans, huge naval battle, Dorn's spawns have an intervention, inquisitors and assassins tussle (no spoilers), ending is awesome and follows the set timeline of events BL laid out, so it wasn't an author choice. IMO each has gotten better and 4 TLWall is fab! If you don't care about minor spoilers, basically just a bit beyond the BL site blurbs, Gav did an interview recently on the book. You could even see interviews and reviews and see if you care then. You may of course not find it to your tastes, so all I can do is give you my opinion.

 Rayvon wrote:
Im a bit on the edge whether to get The emperor expects after the let down that was Predator Prey,

Im not really into bolter porn but I found this one went too far the other way, it was getting a bit too bogged down with the imperial politics for my liking, I found it well written but just not very interesting or gripping in the slightest.

Anyone have anything good to say about "the emperor expects" ?
Is it still mostly political intrigue ?

Nothing in the traditional marine combat if that's what your after. It's a great book though IMO the naval battles are quality and the assassin v inquisition politicking is well executed. I'm with others who are enjoying the series more with each new novel. I have just cracked open number 4 this morning so hopefully another good read ahead.

 Rayvon wrote:
Im a bit on the edge whether to get The emperor expects after the let down that was Predator Prey,

Im not really into bolter porn but I found this one went too far the other way, it was getting a bit too bogged down with the imperial politics for my liking, I found it well written but just not very interesting or gripping in the slightest.

Anyone have anything good to say about "the emperor expects" ?
Is it still mostly political intrigue ?

Best book In The series right now, it's political intrigue and naval combat

Rob Sanders is known for the more boring reads sadly.

 BrookM wrote:
Rob Sanders is known for the more boring reads sadly.

How so? I'm curious just because this came up a few months back but the person couldn't bring up another agreed source. Is that's said about Rob in local gaming circles, on a set of forums, on Facebook groups, etc.? I'm not attacking that claim just looking to find others who share it's like, I'm surprised to see the amount of negativity at Gav Thorpe on every forum I'm joined. Less at David Annandale or David Guymer, but not much about Rob either way.

Did Rob Sanders write Serpent Beneath? That was excellent, but I've not read anything else by him that I can remember.

Anyone else signed up to follow the regimental standard blog? Good throwback to the days of the guardsmans handbook! Some quality fun.

for those unsure about the above....

http://regimental-standard.com/

AS you may have seen in the separate thread on this board BL are also opening their submission window again

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Home/write-for-black-library.html

There's a free Eye of Terra wallpaper on the BL site

and Kharn eater of Worlds is now is softback

http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-titles/new-novs/kharn-eater-of-worlds-ebook.html

that's worth a read IMO -- is only Book 1 kind of thing mind.

Not sure if I'm looking forward to Fenris 2.

War Zone Fenris 1 was... ok. Some clever ideas but pretty uninspired writing.

Also, getting tired of seeing 40k formations called out in stories. Their whole story is product placement so why do we need to them? Everytime it happens it takes away from the variety of the events. "Huge demon horde arrived!" Sweet! Tons of deamons of all shapes and sizes. "Ch'allls Bloody Blooderson's show up." Oh... 1 demon prince, 2 units of blood letters, etc... showed up. What were the chances of that? Boooring.

Now, if the Space Wolfs hijacked the Rock and ran off with it... that would be worth reading. Chances of that happening 1:322.