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Technically it's a brilliant film and one I enjoy watching, but it's not a favorite one of mine. I think great films and favorite films are rarley the same thing.
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Captain Fantastic wrote: I hated Apocalypse Now. The fact that people like it regardless shows how stupid they are, or how well he managed to edit it to make it actually coherent.
The story is somewhat coherent, but to say that people are stupid for liking it is an insult, as I personally love the movie and would not consider myself to be stupid by any stretch of the imagination. As ultimately, he is quite true to the source material (Heart of Darkness) with a few elements changed for the theme of the movie. Ultimately, I think it became more of a statement about Vietnam and the haze of a conflict that it was that perhaps inspires Apocalypse Now! to not make sense to us, as I wasn't there, and the guys I know who were can't really talk very clearly about any of it (unlike many of the WW2 vets I've been able to talk to).
I like the god father films, but hate the fact that in the UK, they spawned a whole range of fish and chip shops that are called the Cod-Father! Yes, the shop signs have a fish in mafia style clothing!
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Soladrin wrote: I've tried watching, it took me a full 15 minutes to fall asleep.
This. I've tried watching it twice, and I fell asleep within 15-20 minutes both times. I won't say that I hated it...it just didn't have the appropriate hook for my interest.
Soladrin wrote: I've tried watching, it took me a full 15 minutes to fall asleep.
This. I've tried watching it twice, and I fell asleep within 15-20 minutes both times. I won't say that I hated it...it just didn't have the appropriate hook for my interest.
Easy E wrote:Never seen it. Not enough Gladiators in it.
Soladrin wrote: I've tried watching, it took me a full 15 minutes to fall asleep.
This. I've tried watching it twice, and I fell asleep within 15-20 minutes both times. I won't say that I hated it...it just didn't have the appropriate hook for my interest.
Easy E wrote:Never seen it. Not enough Gladiators in it.
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Captain Fantastic wrote: I hated Apocalypse Now. I've watched it at least six times, including Coppola's extended version, and his Commentary. It lacks any sort of structure or real plot. It's just little bits of action and "cool" tucked into a half-baked psychedelic film that really has no deep meaning at all. Even Coppola himself doesn't know how it all ended up working. The fact that people like it regardless shows how stupid they are, or how well he managed to edit it to make it actually coherent.
The Godfather was good, although I haven't seen it in about ten years. I'd probably hate it if I watched it again.
That is the point. There is no plot, just an end goal and things in between. It is meant to be a haze. The Main Char changes overtime because f his loyalty to the mission and the military, turning him into a monster.
I don't really like any crime films where the protagonists are criminals, I just find it hard to relate to them or cheer for their decisions unless they are in an exceptionally unjust society.
Also, it's hilarious to say that something is "objectively a good movie."
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
Also, it's hilarious to say that something is "objectively a good movie."
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
It's a murky subject but it's to differentiate people who simply don't like something because it doesn't fit their taste from the grander scheme of the medium. One can form an onjective comparison between works in a medium by taking them and looking at how they do things. Cinimatography, writing, acting, make up, set design, etc. If one were to take 20 films from a genre and rank them by such factors you can come up with films that are 'better' than others but that you for personal reasons might not have enjoyed.
I often compare this to my enjoyment of the Game Too Human. Liked it a lot. played a lot of hours on it. Subjectively, I loved it, but it was a terrible game (damn you unskippable death cut scene why are you so long!).
Likewise its hard to ignore the Godfather as a film. You'll often see people talking about its influence on the medium and the genre of crime movies. The film had too big an impact to be ignored as a bad film, but there are many people who don't like it because they find it boring.
Captain Fantastic wrote: I hated Apocalypse Now. I've watched it at least six times, including Coppola's extended version, and his Commentary. It lacks any sort of structure or real plot. It's just little bits of action and "cool" tucked into a half-baked psychedelic film that really has no deep meaning at all. Even Coppola himself doesn't know how it all ended up working. The fact that people like it regardless shows how stupid they are, or how well he managed to edit it to make it actually coherent.
The Godfather was good, although I haven't seen it in about ten years. I'd probably hate it if I watched it again.
I disagree. Apocalypse Now has a very clear structure in which the "hero" goes on a mission, encountering various weird Vietnam War occurrences (a lot of the incidents portrayed are derived from/inspired by "Despatches", "If I Die In A Combat Zone", and "Nam", all of which are autobiographical/documentary) until he reaches the horrible end derived from the Conrad novella The Heart of Darkness which depicts how a civilised man can descend into madness and barbarity when cut off from civilisation.
It is pretty well rooted in high quality literature, so how you can say it was just sort of bodged up I don't know.
Da Boss wrote: Also, it's hilarious to say that something is "objectively a good movie."
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
The Godfather is objectively a good film, in the same way that Bob Dylans "Hurricane" is objectively a good song. It's totally 100% okay to not like it, but to call it bad is just simply incorrect.
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Da Boss wrote: Also, it's hilarious to say that something is "objectively a good movie."
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
The Godfather is objectively a good film, in the same way that Bob Dylans "Hurricane" is objectively a good song. It's totally 100% okay to not like it, but to call it bad is just simply incorrect.
But if it sounds bad to me it's still a bad song.
sub·jec·tive
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adjective
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based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
"his views are highly subjective"
synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive More
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It was only a matter of time before the dictionary definitions turned up to provide a source of thinly-veiled jabs at people's intellect.
'Subjective' and 'objective' are terms that I'm sure the vast majority of people are familiar with the definitions of; there's no need to start quoting entire chunks of dictionaries.
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Kilkrazy wrote: They are close together according to most people
The Godfather on IMDB
Ratings: 9.2/10 from 793,313 users Metascore: 100/100
Reviews: 1,726 user | 184 critic | 14 from Metacritic.com
Taxi Driver on IMDB
Ratings: 8.4/10 from 339,089 users Metascore: 93/100
Reviews: 765 user | 192 critic | 8 from Metacritic.com
subjective tastes are subjective.
far fewer people have seen taxi driver as well, and most people really dont get films that deep.
most people liked titanic/avatar (which are horrible horrible movies... in my opinion of course, no one can argue that they are successful/profitable/popular, but that doesnt make them good)
I also consider the source, as god father was based on a book, the film really cant take all the credit for it being a good "story" as the story wasnt even made up by the film makers.
taxi driver, was an original story made for film, so story wise, more original, not just a remake of someone else's work like the god father was.
but, as always, everyone gets their own opinion on what is good or bad, none of us are right, none of us are wrong, if you enjoy something I dont or vise versa, more power to you
One mistake people make about The Godfather is thinking that it "glorifies" the Mafia. It does not. What it does, is it humanizes the Mafia. There aren't faceless thugs hidden in the shadows plotting crimes. They're family men who eat dinner at the table with their wives and children and go to church every Sunday. They're war heroes who have every intention of not getting into the family business, but when that family becomes physically threatened, they start taking those steps into darkness. It's partly a film about what would you do to protect your family. There is no glory in watching Michael's fall throughout the films, just pity and horror.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Just because one is unaware the objective elements to film making do not mean they don't exist. There are aspects beyond purely artistic when crafting a movie, but unless one is in the field or in academia they wouldn't need to know them, and most often don't. For example, how many are familiar with the 30 Degree Rule of cinematography (without looking it up)? Do you know when it is being employed correctly? When someone is breaking the rule? What breaking it can achieve and why?
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote: Just because one is unaware the objective elements to film making do not mean they don't exist. There are aspects beyond purely artistic when crafting a movie, but unless one is in the field or in academia they wouldn't need to know them, and most often don't. For example, how many are familiar with the 30 Degree Rule of cinematography (without looking it up)? Do you know when it is being employed correctly? When someone is breaking the rule? What breaking it can achieve and why?
Riiiiight because having to explain it to people definitely proves it to be the best movie ever made
Kilkrazy wrote: They are close together according to most people
The Godfather on IMDB
Ratings: 9.2/10 from 793,313 users Metascore: 100/100
Reviews: 1,726 user | 184 critic | 14 from Metacritic.com
Taxi Driver on IMDB
Ratings: 8.4/10 from 339,089 users Metascore: 93/100
Reviews: 765 user | 192 critic | 8 from Metacritic.com
subjective tastes are subjective.
far fewer people have seen taxi driver as well, and most people really dont get films that deep.
most people liked titanic/avatar (which are horrible horrible movies... in my opinion of course, no one can argue that they are successful/profitable/popular, but that doesnt make them good)
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Titanic gets substantially lower ratings than Apocalypse Now or Taxi Driver. All three films have a very large number of ratings aggregated on the site.
Titanic at IMDB
Ratings: 7.7/10 from 544,802 users Metascore: 74/100
Reviews: 2,441 user | 307 critic | 34 from Metacritic.com
I don't see what difference it makes if a film was made from a book or a screenplay. In both cases you translate from a text medium to a completely different fluid audio-visual medium. What makes the book one inevitably worse?
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