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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Just as a question... When they do release codex "we like Latin sounding names", is FFG going to have to come up with new editions of its books, or will they just let the publishing cycle runits course? I'm thinking of Only War specifically. II'm perial Guard might be mentioned once or twice in those books.

This is actually the other reason this annoys me so much.

 Kosake wrote:
Wait a bit... assuming that GW trademarks some "Astra Militarum" one may conclude that they can't trademark "Imperial Guard".

Which means, that after they trademarked the unpopular Astra Whaterverium, any other company can just straight up use the name "Imperial Guard".

Are they crazy? That would basically mean forfeiting the rights to IG or am I wrong...?

You're basically correct. "Imperial Guard" belongs to everyone - neither GW nor anyone else can stop anyone using it. If you have an Emperor, or an empire, and there is guarding involved, "Imperial Guard" is an obvious name to pick, just like marines (i.e. naval infantry) on spaceships would naturally be called Space Marines.

But yeah, GW is abandoning the name everyone wants, purely because everyone can have it.

Is it possible that Imperial Guard will still be a term used in the book, but they use the Astra Giganticus to cover the guard, knights, naval flyers etc. ?

 plastictrees wrote:
Is it possible that Imperial Guard will still be a term used in the book, but they use the Astra Giganticus to cover the guard, knights, naval flyers etc. ?

It's possible. I am curious to see if the flyers will still be referred to as Imperial Navy.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
http://www.latin-dictionary.org/militaris
http://www.latin-dictionary.org/adeptus

attainment, an obtaining....
military; of a soldier; warlike; [res mllitaris => the art of war] 

That is the literall translation, which doesn't make sense....

Obtaining of a soldier
Warlike atainment

I think they got the "Adeptus" (which is a real latin word, albeit decontextualized) from the XIX century meaning of "adept", in the sense of one who has taken the required steps to become part of an occult organization or sect. An initiate.

Adeptus (or adept) means one who has obtained mastery in some field of study. Fatum is the latin word for doom. Militaris is military or martial.

Adeptus Militaris is just as it reads, military adepts or people who have attained some basic understanding of martial combat (not to be confused with martial arts).

So.

Can we, please, get back to discussing something other than the supposed new name of the codex?

I for one would like to hear what people are running/fielding in their guard lists currently and how they anticipate changing their lists up, if any.

I expect I'll be moving to a more armor centric list (more-so than I currently run) as I expect tanks to be a little cheaper across the board.

We'll see, I suppose.

Thanks and I'll see you guys soon.

-RT-

Discussing lists and tactics is for, well, the lists and tactics forum.

In the absence of new info, this thread has followed the typical pre-release pattern of falling into dissection of the little snippets we do have, and will likely continue until new info arrives, or one of the Mods decides enough is enough and locks it (which, should that happen, will be the third or fourth IG thread to die in this way)

Only things I'm curious about is if we'll see the return of doctrines (highly doubt it) and whether Leman Russ tanks will keep the heavy rule or if lumbering behemoth will come back.

I also, REALLY hope platoons stay roughly intact. It was such a fun part of running IG since it gave you so many options for how to run your army. You could kit out a platoon to do almost any job imaginable and I will be very sad if it just gets turned into a generic swarm entry like Ork Boy mobz or Gaunt swarms.

Also I predict penal legion and rough riders will get removed. The nid codex showed us that models that don't have rules have a good chance of getting canned. I have a bad feeling Catachans will probably have a separate supplement as well.

The Nid codex showed that units without MODELS will get removed. Rough Riders, at least, are safe if Nids are our guiding light.

 tomjoad wrote:
The Nid codex showed that units without MODELS will get removed. Rough Riders, at least, are safe if Nids are our guiding light.

Do we have rough rider models any more? I thought even the ones in the collector section were gone.

I just think its a shame that a move to plastics only may end the diverse look of the Guard that 2nd Ed 40k brought in.

I know from a background point of view that as campaigns go on regiments will shrink, merge, be supplied with whatever the Munitorium can procure and will possibly end up looking 'standard' but I like the diversity.

Good job so many other companies are providing us with choices. Danamian Jungle Fighters anyone?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Just as a question... When they do release codex "we like Latin sounding names", is FFG going to have to come up with new editions of its books, or will they just let the publishing cycle runits course? I'm thinking of Only War specifically. II'm perial Guard might be mentioned once or twice in those books.

I strongly suspect that the IG will have dual names just like Marines, if only because there is no way that GW will ever be able to prevent the IG being called the IG. I know that I won't be the only one ignoring any name change.

FFG may have to do a bit of editing, but not much.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

Adeptus Militaris is just as it reads, military adepts or people who have attained some basic understanding of martial combat (not to be confused with martial arts).

But the rumoured name is "Astra militarum", which is a lot more nonsensical.

Honestly if they'd gone with Adeptus Militant or something that at least sounded like a 40k term we're familiar with, the reaction probably wouldn't be so strong.

A better name would be Militarium Imperialis, seeing as the Navy is called the Aeronautica Imperialis.

 BrookM wrote:
A better name would be Militarium Imperialis, seeing as the Navy is called the Aeronautica Imperialis.

You said this earlier... but is the Imperial Navy actually called that? I haven't read a lot of the books, but I've only ever heard the Imperial Navy called the Imperial Navy, even in the Aeronautica Imperialis books (which is the name of the game, not the Imperial force).

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
A better name would be Militarium Imperialis, seeing as the Navy is called the Aeronautica Imperialis.

You said this earlier... but is the Imperial Navy actually called that? I haven't read a lot of the books, but I've only ever heard the Imperial Navy called the Imperial Navy, even in the Aeronautica Imperialis books (which is the name of the game, not the Imperial force).

I am not aware of the Imperial Navy being called anything else. It's possible that this is a new fluff element but surely it should be Aethernautica (or something similar) rather than Aeronautica given that the IN operates in space?

 insaniak wrote:
It's really, really easy to see a complaint that you don't happen to agree with, and imbue it with a whole lot more emotion than is actually present.

It happens even more often when rather than seeing one complaint, one sees multiple people making multiple posts to complain, while using a lot of hyperbole and turning speculation into fact, for some reason.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
It's really, really easy to see a complaint that you don't happen to agree with, and imbue it with a whole lot more emotion than is actually present.

It happens even more often when rather than seeing one complaint, one sees multiple people making multiple posts to complain, while using a lot of hyperbole and turning speculation into fact, for some reason.

Turning speculation into fact like that they're going to continue using the name Imperial Guard inside the book? Like you were doing, yeah?

 Bull0 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
It's really, really easy to see a complaint that you don't happen to agree with, and imbue it with a whole lot more emotion than is actually present.

It happens even more often when rather than seeing one complaint, one sees multiple people making multiple posts to complain, while using a lot of hyperbole and turning speculation into fact, for some reason.

Turning speculation into fact like that they're going to continue using the name Imperial Guard inside the book? Like you were doing, yeah?

Not any more speculation that turning a rumour about a change-of-name of the product into an assumed absolute purge of the words "Imperial Guard" in the entire publication.

It seems not unreasonable to assume (though it is an assumption) that a new faux-Latin name like 'Astra Militarum' will be used in a similar way as other faux-Latin names in GW's lore (e.g. along the lines of Adeptus Astartes, Adepta Sororitas) have been used in the past.

The assumption (likewise an assumption) that the Astra Militarum faux-Latin name will be used very differently from comparable faux-Latin names in 40K (e.g. along the lines of Adeptus Astartes, Adepta Sororitas) as to replace any and all references to the non-Latin description of the same faction, without exception, is the more improbable interpretation.

 Bull0 wrote:
Like you were doing, yeah?

Yeah, we were both doing it.

I have a hard time getting excited by these rumors.
IG was my first army in a table top game, but lately I have been focusing more on Flames of War, so GW has to release something interesting for me to get it. I have plenty of tanks from FW, so if I can get to use them in the Codex, fine with me. The IG range does lack some interesting infantry, so that is the sort of thing that would get my interest.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Well, I like 'Astra Militarum'

I'd also would've liked a change of Space Marines to Adeptus Astartes. However, as GW claims (rightly or now) that Space Marines is a trademark they own (a claim they never made for Imperial Guard), I am sure they'll defend that one to their dying breath.

There was a rumor on BOLS that said they might actually rename Space Marines to "Adeptus Astartes".

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/02/40k-rumors-plastic-ogryns-and-big.html

I prefer GW's made up Latin to what they have now. I can't wait until they re-brand Space Marines as Adeptus Astartes... From what our source told us Space Marines will get a name change in the future.

WayneTheGame wrote:


There was a rumor on BOLS

BOLS and Rumour in the same sentence?

Tells you everything you need to know, doesn't it?

Well to be fair, they were reposting from 40k Radio, which as I understand it has a higher cred rating than BOLS or that Fait person.

WayneTheGame wrote:
Well to be fair, they were reposting from 40k Radio, which as I understand it has a higher cred rating than BOLS or that Fait person.

Hmmmmm


Still think it's unlikely - sounds too much like an Astra Militarum pile-in rumour - but 40K Radio's record is strong, I admit.

Besides the least exciting and least meaningful rumor about a name, can we get back to discussing more substantial validity in the rumors that really mean something?


New Rules, how likely?

Mission Objectives Special Rule, Minor orders for squad sergeants. Codex Imperial Guard launches in February/March 2014? Or April? Lots of rule refreshes, Expanded command system, Return of Doctrines, Each Regiment has its own doctrines    Cadians - 2 orders per unit    Catachans - Move through cover plus Jungle Fighter......thoughts?

HQ

Big HQ Shakeup. Lots of deleted and modified units. Begin by buying a command squad, can switch officer for a Commissar. 3 current advisors return, plus Primaris Psyker as an advisor. Ministorum Priests return with potential buffs to a units ranged as well as close assault potential. (possibly preferred enemy special rule) Priests join squads and don't use an HQ slot. Enginseer remains the same but moves from HQ to Elite or Heavy Support. They act like Necron Royal Courts in that they're bought with certain upgrades and attached to other units thus conferring benefits.

Elites

New Plastic Stormtrooper/Veteran kit. Lots of extra bits to customize your squad and cadians. Bullgryns. 3 Per box, cybernetic enhancements, can be kitted out as ripper gun bearing "classic" ogryns.

Troops

Veterans, Veteran Weapon Squad Reboxing, Veteran squads with smaller sizes and a fire support role, focusing on battlefield specialization. Veterans Size 5-10, can take 1 special or heavy weapon per 5 soldiers. Bastogne removed and now each Vet Sergeant can give orders. Shotguns still an option, Can take a pistol and close combat weapon. Can now assault out of a transport. Special Weapon and Heavy Weapon Squads 10 models.

Dedicated Transports

Salamander transport for CCS/PCS Open-topped Chimera with Autocannon and 6 man transport capacity.

Fast Attack

Vendetta and Valkyrie, Vendetta and Valkyrie streamlined into one unit. Squadron option removed, and an increase in points.Vendetta is removed, Valkyries option to take Vendetta loadout for +45 points.Sentinel, One entry for Sentinels, No armor upgrade, Closed Cabin no in game effect

Heavy Support

New plastic tank based heavily on the Heresy-era Malcador. Bigger than the Land Raider (smaller than a Baneblade) Multiple variants in the kit. Updated Basilisk. Gun assembly is closer to the rear with armored skirts that replace the railing. Looks more armored.

Special Characters

Only Cadian characters within the playtesting list.

New Units

New Horus Heresy era tank. Possibly Forge World Destroyer Tank Hunter in the codex.Thunderer, Thunderer is a cheap Demolisher with just a Demolisher cannon. Destroyer, Dedicated tank hunter with laser-lance. Has a hull down rule which renders it difficult to kill in cover.Imperial Robots 2 new robots which require an Admech handler/enginseerKnight PaladinBetween riptide and Wraithknight height.Vanquisher cannon and Uber-chainsword Can upgrade these to a Punisher Cannon and an Uber-Fist with Inferno Flamers.NEW dog-fighter flyer, is NOT an existing model.

Model Releases

Special weapon squads box set. Veteran squads box set.Heavy Weapon Teams box set. Come in boxes of 5 models, and a big variety of equipment. Griffon/Collosus/Medusa artillery box set. Stormtroopers and Veterans released Include an assortment of optional extras to build command and penal squads. Heavy Weapon Squad repacked to include a single cadian infantry sprue. Special Weapon Squads  may receive their own box including a new SW sprue Roughriders plastic box. Steel Legion and Mordian plastics.

I have a hard time believing most of that post.

Especially plastic Mordians.

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
Besides the least exciting and least meaningful rumor about a name, can we get back to discussing more substantial validity in the rumors that really mean something?


New Rules, how likely?

Mission Objectives Special Rule, Minor orders for squad sergeants. Codex Imperial Guard launches in February/March 2014? Or April? Lots of rule refreshes, Expanded command system, Return of Doctrines, Each Regiment has its own doctrines    Cadians - 2 orders per unit    Catachans - Move through cover plus Jungle Fighter......thoughts?

HQ

Big HQ Shakeup. Lots of deleted and modified units. Begin by buying a command squad, can switch officer for a Commissar. 3 current advisors return, plus Primaris Psyker as an advisor. Ministorum Priests return with potential buffs to a units ranged as well as close assault potential. (possibly preferred enemy special rule) Priests join squads and don't use an HQ slot. Enginseer remains the same but moves from HQ to Elite or Heavy Support. They act like Necron Royal Courts in that they're bought with certain upgrades and attached to other units thus conferring benefits.

Elites

New Plastic Stormtrooper/Veteran kit. Lots of extra bits to customize your squad and cadians. Bullgryns. 3 Per box, cybernetic enhancements, can be kitted out as ripper gun bearing "classic" ogryns.

Troops

Veterans, Veteran Weapon Squad Reboxing, Veteran squads with smaller sizes and a fire support role, focusing on battlefield specialization. Veterans Size 5-10, can take 1 special or heavy weapon per 5 soldiers. Bastogne removed and now each Vet Sergeant can give orders. Shotguns still an option, Can take a pistol and close combat weapon. Can now assault out of a transport. Special Weapon and Heavy Weapon Squads 10 models.

Dedicated Transports

Salamander transport for CCS/PCS Open-topped Chimera with Autocannon and 6 man transport capacity.

Fast Attack

Vendetta and Valkyrie, Vendetta and Valkyrie streamlined into one unit. Squadron option removed, and an increase in points.Vendetta is removed, Valkyries option to take Vendetta loadout for +45 points.Sentinel, One entry for Sentinels, No armor upgrade, Closed Cabin no in game effect

Heavy Support

New plastic tank based heavily on the Heresy-era Malcador. Bigger than the Land Raider (smaller than a Baneblade) Multiple variants in the kit. Updated Basilisk. Gun assembly is closer to the rear with armored skirts that replace the railing. Looks more armored.

Special Characters

Only Cadian characters within the playtesting list.

New Units

New Horus Heresy era tank. Possibly Forge World Destroyer Tank Hunter in the codex.Thunderer, Thunderer is a cheap Demolisher with just a Demolisher cannon. Destroyer, Dedicated tank hunter with laser-lance. Has a hull down rule which renders it difficult to kill in cover.Imperial Robots 2 new robots which require an Admech handler/enginseerKnight PaladinBetween riptide and Wraithknight height.Vanquisher cannon and Uber-chainsword Can upgrade these to a Punisher Cannon and an Uber-Fist with Inferno Flamers.NEW dog-fighter flyer, is NOT an existing model.

Model Releases

Special weapon squads box set. Veteran squads box set.Heavy Weapon Teams box set. Come in boxes of 5 models, and a big variety of equipment. Griffon/Collosus/Medusa artillery box set. Stormtroopers and Veterans released Include an assortment of optional extras to build command and penal squads. Heavy Weapon Squad repacked to include a single cadian infantry sprue. Special Weapon Squads  may receive their own box including a new SW sprue Roughriders plastic box. Steel Legion and Mordian plastics.

Even if half of this is true it would be a good thing. Maybe the enginseers won't be so... useless besides giving first blood..... I would love Doctrines all the different ways you could set your army up.

Personally I most want my Veterans to not become garbage with some stupid crap like one SW per 5 men. That would ruin them, its only the third SW that really makes them worthwhile.

Losing the Vendetta? Eh, I can live with that. But not my Vets. No, no no no.

These latin sounding names are god awful. Who's going to use these terms when talking about their army? It's a rabbit hole of geekery even I don't wanna go down - and I paint tiny toy soldiers.