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2014/02/08 20:48:08
Subject: Re:W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (topic reloaded)
It's been "Imperial Guard" since Rogue Trader, and it's one of the most popular armies. I don't see too many new players saying, "Oh yeah, inepticus minutestrawman, that's what I want to play!" over something relatively badass in its simplicity: "Space Marine."
plastictrees wrote: If anything it will weed out all the gamers with hair-trigger psychotic disorders.
Yeah, that's really nice. Alternatively, it'll really appeal to the "We'll eat gak and call it ice cream if you tell us to" crowd.
Those guys are such suckers, not losing their minds if a faction is renamed. Not going to fool me. I'm getting my aquila tattoo removed as I type this.
Yeah, they certainly seem like frothing mentalists if you ascribe behaviours to them that they themselves haven't exhibited ("Losing their minds", acting "psychotic", etc). As I understand it, on the internet it's both big and clever to do that. Particularly when it's about a topic so crucial as this. So kudos once again.
Just remember kids - people who care about a thing more than you do are, by definition, suitable only for ridicule. You're right to not give a damn, and long may you continue.
Because of a name change. Because a smattering of characters changed and now they're not called the same thing - if this rumor even pans out. I have two Imperial Guard armies and I sincerely don't give a golly gosh darn what their name is on the front of the codex. They're still the Imperial Guard to me, and I don't need to throw away all my models because the boxes they came in back in the day said "Imperial Guard" on them instead of "Astro Doobilydoo" or whatever. There are a lot of silly things people get defensive or angry about in this hobby, but this is seriously one of the dumbest.
Again, find me the people who said they're throwing away their guard army because of this and I'll take the point.
They didn't do that, dude, they just said they hate the new name. They didn't lose their gak or act psychotic or say they're selling their armies or removing their tattoos or whatever. So stop with that, because it's weird.
Your compassion for the 'kids' seems to have blinded you to...words.
My response was making fun of the idea that people's reactions would be 'interesting'. Hence the absurd suggestion that they would 'lose their gak'.
I apologise for making you feel weird on the internet.
2014/02/08 21:14:17
Subject: W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (topic reloaded)
plastictrees wrote: Every other branch of the Imperium has a pseudo-Latin name, doesn't seem silly that the Guard would as well. It's really not going to be very interesting to see people refer to them as IG, unless you have a very specific definition of interesting..
it'll be interesting because older players may not know who the Astra Militaria is, as that's a completely new name. Brand new players might not know who the Imperial Guard is.
You generally don't see name changes after 20 years to a major faction, in any context. Although, at one point, the fluff talked about the Imperial Army, not Imperial Guard.
I'm sure there are Fluff Masters out there who can correct me but I believe Imperial Army is now the term used for pre Heresy/ during Heresy regiments. Rogue Trader may have used Imperial Army instead of Guard but then they also had a half Eldar Ultramarines officer so things have been rewritten or thankfully forgotten over time.
plastictrees wrote: If anything it will weed out all the gamers with hair-trigger psychotic disorders.
Yeah, that's really nice. Alternatively, it'll really appeal to the "We'll eat gak and call it ice cream if you tell us to" crowd.
Its certainly an interesting change to defend. There seem to be no fluff reasons for it, I'm not buying the "it ties the imperial armies together to all have high gothic names" theory, as all of the major SM chapters have anglo-saxon names, and if anything, it felt cool to have the more mystical/elite/special imperial factions be more gothicy.
That said, Imperial Guard is a really, really dumb name. But so is "Ultramarines," so I guess YMMV.
I guess for me, it's a change that's not really all that bad, but seems to have no real benefit. I'm not sure 3rd Party bitz makers hurt GW, at least not appreciably. So their decision to try to make it harder for them only hurts them, and likely doens't benefit GW.
I'm not opposed to GW making money. If they renamed the Blood Angels "Star Vampires" because they think they can sell models to fans of vampires, I'd shrug and enjoy having more opponents and a financially robust GW. I just don't see the upside here, but I obviously could be wrong.
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Kosake wrote: Wait a bit... assuming that GW trademarks some "Astra Militarum" one may conclude that they can't trademark "Imperial Guard".
Which means, that after they trademarked the unpopular Astra Whaterverium, any other company can just straight up use the name "Imperial Guard".
Are they crazy? That would basically mean forfeiting the rights to IG or am I wrong...?
I'm pretty sure Imperial Guard can't be trademarked, as its simply too generic. Even in the realm of miniatures gaming (about the narrowest industry trademarks would look at), you have Napoleonics, where both France and Russia fielded Imperial Guard regiments.
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2014/02/08 21:28:54
Subject: Re:W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (topic reloaded)
Kosake wrote: Wait a bit... assuming that GW trademarks some "Astra Militarum" one may conclude that they can't trademark "Imperial Guard".
Which means, that after they trademarked the unpopular Astra Whaterverium, any other company can just straight up use the name "Imperial Guard".
Are they crazy? That would basically mean forfeiting the rights to IG or am I wrong...?
That's already the case. The name change is because the trademark is indefensible, as it predates GW's use by centuries, conceivably millennia, they forfeit nothing, because they don't have anything.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Awesome. So Kromlech, Chapterhouse, Victorian Miniatures or whoever feels like it can now just straight-up design kits and sell them as Imperial Guard. Not sure it changes much, but on some basic level i find this satisfying.
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2014/02/08 21:40:44
Subject: W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (topic reloaded)
Prolly won't happen, why risk the (somewhat inpept) wrath of GW Finelegal™ when you can simply carry on as you are without the unnecessary time, cost and hassle that would be involved even if you're in the right?
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Kosake wrote: Awesome. So Kromlech, Chapterhouse, Victorian Miniatures or whoever feels like it can now just straight-up design kits and sell them as Imperial Guard.
Since forever, EVERYONE (including GW and all those other companies) could just straight-up design kits and sell them as Imperial Guard.
2014/02/08 22:12:22
Subject: W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (topic reloaded)
Kosake wrote: Awesome. So Kromlech, Chapterhouse, Victorian Miniatures or whoever feels like it can now just straight-up design kits and sell them as Imperial Guard. Not sure it changes much, but on some basic level i find this satisfying.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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2014/02/08 22:17:00
Subject: W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (topic reloaded)
Lol@everything GW does revolving around their stupid paranoia. "oh no! Someone else can use the name Imperial Guard!" Time to change this!
GW sure showed us. All those people who were just copying the Imperial Guard everywhere have now been foiled! We've shat on decades of fluff and created a ridiculous name no customer will want. This is great news!
Seriously GW stole Stormtroopers from Star Wars which stole them from Germany, and you don't see the Germans or Lucas freaking out at GW. All that GW has gotten from this is the little kids they market towards will get confused and want Imperial Guard, with mommy being unable to find any.
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2014/02/08 22:24:05
Subject: W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (topic reloaded)
It's a silly name change IMO because if I were asked by someone who knows nothing about 40k and table top gaming "what army do you play?" I'd much rather reply "Imperial Guard" than "Stupida Moronicus".
Personally I think Imperial Guard has more kerb appeal and they should have kept it for that reason. It's not like changing the name is going to magically stop other companies from making futuristic soldiers, and didn't the chapterhouse case prove that a 3rd party maker is fully within their rights to advertise a component as being "Astra Militarum compatible" anyway?
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2014/02/09 00:17:35
Subject: W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (topic reloaded)
MetalOxide wrote: I don't get all of the butthurt about the name change...
Probably because there isn't any.
Some people don't like the new name. That's all there is to it.
They're being incredibly whiny about it.
I'm sure when the new models/rules/fluff hit, it will all get forgotten about.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Thus illustrating the problem with the written word for casual communication.
It's really, really easy to see a complaint that you don't happen to agree with, and imbue it with a whole lot more emotion than is actually present. So rather than people just accepting that someone on the internet doesn't like the things that I like, I just dismiss it as 'whining' or 'butthurt' or whatever other hyperbolic phrasing lets me treat it as someone turning an inconsequential thing into a big issue... when in reality, it's more the hyperbolic response doing that (when the original poster takes offense at their opinion being dismissed as 'whining') than the original complaint was in the first place...
2014/02/09 00:40:38
Subject: W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (topic reloaded)
Because of a name change. Because a smattering of characters changed and now they're not called the same thing - if this rumor even pans out. I have two Imperial Guard armies and I sincerely don't give a golly gosh darn what their name is on the front of the codex. They're still the Imperial Guard to me, and I don't need to throw away all my models because the boxes they came in back in the day said "Imperial Guard" on them instead of "Astro Doobilydoo" or whatever. There are a lot of silly things people get defensive or angry about in this hobby, but this is seriously one of the dumbest.
Spees Marines totally need to ally with Astro Doobilydoo in your next episode!
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2014/02/09 00:49:28
Subject: W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (topic reloaded)
Thus illustrating the problem with the written word for casual communication.
It's really, really easy to see a complaint that you don't happen to agree with, and imbue it with a whole lot more emotion than is actually present. So rather than people just accepting that someone on the internet doesn't like the things that I like, I just dismiss it as 'whining' or 'butthurt' or whatever other hyperbolic phrasing lets me treat it as someone turning an inconsequential thing into a big issue... when in reality, it's more the hyperbolic response doing that (when the original poster takes offense at their opinion being dismissed as 'whining') than the original complaint was in the first place...
EXALTED!
And all too true - and saved for future reference and use too!
Polonius wrote: Eh, it's a silly new name, and the change is done for legal, not creative reasons.
Which is exactly my problem with it. This isn't a change that enriches the game or the universe. This is a change so that they can add a little '™' after everything.
Bull0 wrote: Yeah, they certainly seem like frothing mentalists if you ascribe behaviours to them that they themselves haven't exhibited ("Losing their minds", acting "psychotic", etc). As I understand it, on the internet it's both big and clever to do that. Particularly when it's about a topic so crucial as this. So kudos once again.
Just remember kids - people who care about a thing more than you do are, by definition, suitable only for ridicule. You're right to not give a damn, and long may you continue.
I'm startin' to like you more and more Bull0.
And yeah, you stole the words right outta my mouth.
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Thus illustrating the problem with the written word for casual communication.
It's really, really easy to see a complaint that you don't happen to agree with, and imbue it with a whole lot more emotion than is actually present. So rather than people just accepting that someone on the internet doesn't like the things that I like, I just dismiss it as 'whining' or 'butthurt' or whatever other hyperbolic phrasing lets me treat it as someone turning an inconsequential thing into a big issue... when in reality, it's more the hyperbolic response doing that (when the original poster takes offense at their opinion being dismissed as 'whining') than the original complaint was in the first place...
Sig'd for truth. I could not have put the stupidity of this habit in better words.
2014/02/09 01:21:23
Subject: W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (topic reloaded)
Kid_Kyoto wrote: If you'll excuse me, I now have to go retag every IG entry in the gallery "Space Military"™ .
FTFY
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Kid_Kyoto wrote: If you'll excuse me, I now have to go retag every IG entry in the gallery "Space Military".
^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS GUY!
I'm gonna chime in here. Not with anything really pertinent mind, but just how I feel about this.
I don't like the idea that the IG might get a name change. Especially to one so uh... goofy as "Astra Militarum". I wish they'd leave it as Imperial Guard. I wish this not for any other reason other then that I like the name Imperial Guard.
But you know what, if they do change it, oh well I'll get over it. It's no use railing against something that you can't change. It's no use railing against something that may not even happen. So you know what? I'm not going to. I no longer care if they change the name of the Imperial Guard to the Astra Militarum. I'll still be collecting futuristic humans with laser guns and shoddy armour after the new book drops, name change or not.
Just as a question... When they do release codex "we like Latin sounding names", is FFG going to have to come up with new editions of its books, or will they just let the publishing cycle runits course? I'm thinking of Only War specifically. II'm perial Guard might be mentioned once or twice in those books.
GamesWorkshop wrote: And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
2014/02/09 01:54:31
Subject: W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (topic reloaded)
The name change makes no sense, trademark issues or not. Why wasn't Codex: SM called Codex: Adeptus Astartes then? Is that in the pipeline? The term Space Marine is just as generic as Imperial Guard.
I assume this change lines up with the re-print of the rulebook this summer, since they need to change the name of the army in the core rules if they want to have any consistency other than 'Yeah that FAQ in that one WD weekly said blabla'.
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2014/02/09 02:20:29
Subject: W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (topic reloaded)
Therion wrote: The name change makes no sense, trademark issues or not. Why wasn't Codex: SM called Codex: Adeptus Astartes then? Is that in the pipeline? The term Space Marine is just as generic as Imperial Guard.
I assume this change lines up with the re-print of the rulebook this summer, since they need to change the name of the army in the core rules if they want to have any consistency other than 'Yeah that FAQ in that one WD weekly said blabla'.
GW is very spiteful/paranoid, and my guess is they didn't want to show that they had any intention that the term "Space Marine" didn't belong to anyone but them. GW got swatted down after the Spots the Space Marine debacle (which btw made me buy the book out of solidarity) but I'm sure they still maintain that evil book stole from them.
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