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 Kroothawk wrote:
Will all previous Mantic kickstarters be completely fullfilled when the new one starts?


Oh god. Don't say gak like that, Kroot. I just got up off the floor. I think I broke something internal.



I'll probably go in on this for a buck, just in case there's something worthwhile later, but I don't foresee taking it any higher. Now I have to go to the hospital.


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 scarletsquig wrote:
 GrimDork wrote:
Oh man I really kind of wanted to follow one of these kickstarter threads from the beginning but we're already doing the same mantic/kickstarter debate that shows up in every mantic thread. My kingdom for actual news and rumors and less crap =\

First 10 pages of any Mantic KS thread follows the same pattern, I don't think that is ever likely to change.


Oh! Is this where I should talk about "fake targets" and "fake stretch goals"? I was going to wait until we saw the models. Or not bother at all, actually.

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Myrtle Creek, OR

 CptJake wrote:
My Azure Forrest came yesterday. Haven't had a chance to really go through it but it looks decent. It will be interesting to see how all the Dread Ball elements mix when Extreme comes out.


In case you're looking for it (because Azure Forest reportedly refers you to it), there is no advancement table for Season 3.
In SEP, it was confirmed in the DB FAQ that S3 had no advancement table on purpose.
AF owners say it refers you to using that non-existent table any way.

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 Azazelx wrote:

but I don't foresee taking it any higher.


Oh, we gonna rock down to restic avenue
and then we'll take it higher

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Oberstleutnant






Perth, West Australia

I have no problems with Mantic running another KS before I get the second half of Deadzone or MA. Video games and software in general is something I know better than tabletop games, but I'm pretty sure the development process has similar issues. You have designers, artists, testers, production etc. If you wait until one game is fully finished until you start the next, you have a substantial portion of your team doing nothing which is silly. If it was a risky company - Defiance/Defiant? The Maelstrom guy, a no name group, anything like that sure you'd probably not even go in for a second until you got your stuff from the first. Mantic has also made big improvements in quality so hopefully that trend will continue.

I love me some Dreadball and I'm miffed I missed the first KS, so given it looks good I'll likely go in heavily for all the teams etc.
   
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 GrimDork wrote:
I don't want you to sign it I want the guy that drew it- lol.

So for those of you who did the original db kick starter, if you spent over the 'sweet spot' what got you to do it? Trying to keep myself at entry level (if I end up backing).


I wanted some extra teams, simple as that! So I got the entire S2 wave, and mildly regretted not getting the Teratons. I also ordered a ton of Hex bases (I really really think that Mantic should have included these with each model!), reasoning that I could use them for future models supplied without bases, to create new Dreadball teams, or even just as see-through bases for other Mantic models. Didn't bother with keepers, prones, coaches etc., or even the upgraded pitches.

Thing is, aside from the special characters, Dreadball isn't that expensive to just buy stuff as you want it at retail. A team costs ~£12.50 from online retailers, and comes with a nice box, cover art and bases. On the Kickstarter, this was instead £7.75 per team for just a bag - a decent saving, but you had to buy them two at a time, pay for extra bases (and storage if you cared about that) and were running the risk of varying sculpt quality.

I was ordering through a friend's pledge, and he nearly murdered me over all of the sorting and parts checking he had to do...
   
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Good to see them launching another Kickstarter so soon after completely fulfilling the Mars Attacks Kickstarter.

What do you mean they haven't finished the Mars Attacks one yet? Oh, ok. Then what I meant was after fulfilling the Deadzone Kicksta... nope? They're not done with that one yet? Ok, then the last Dreadba... not that one either? Wow. Hmm... maybe they should finish what they start before moving onto something else.



And given that Mantic couldn't even get the core components for the Deadzone box ready by the time they shipped, I think I'll be avoiding this one.



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In a van down by the river

 GrimDork wrote:
So for those of you who did the original db kick starter, if you spent over the 'sweet spot' what got you to do it? Trying to keep myself at entry level (if I end up backing).


In my case it's because I'm a completionist; if I add a unit to a 40k army I pick up the maximum squad size even if I don't intend to ever field a full unit "just in case" I ever wanted to do so. The upgraded pitches are nice looking, and since I had two pitches having two decks of cards made sense too (see also: completionist). I think the only thing I didn't get from the "core models" perspective was the big ape and the coaches. The models didn't interest me that much and I didn't see where I'd be missing out by not getting those given that I had 3 Giants already.

For DreadBall getting the double teams had the added advantage of giving me some extra models per team that I could monkey around with trying out color schemes. If I don't like the scheme once it's on the model or I botch stripping the paint from just a plain bad job or heaven forbid I lose one in the mountain of models around my house, it really need not matter since I had a couple spares. I also liked the concept of most of the teams, and for the most part was not disappointed. Some models I'm not a huge fan of (Nameless Striker, I'm looking at you), but overall I like all the teams well enough.

I do agree that not including the bases outside of Season 1 was somewhat aggravating, especially as some of the later teams really need the extra stability. Not like the bases were radically expensive, but it does call into question whether you're getting as good of a deal if you have to factor that in with the lack of boxes for later transport and the risk of "how are these going to turn out?" that comes with any KickStarter.

I feel I've gotten a decent deal out of the original, so I'll probably be backing this one just because I like the game. How much depends on how the individual teams appeal to me and if they seem like their distinct enough to be their own thing rather than the equivalent of a re-skin in a video game.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ok, then the last Dreadba... not that one either?


As a point of fact, the original DreadBall kickstarter has seen all its shipments go out. While you might be choosing to take "finished" as "all backers have all issues possible resolved" which your omission of LOKA and Kings of War makes unlikely, the overall fulfillment is complete and has been since before DeadZone shipped. Cold comfort if Mantic is taking its sweet time to replace missing/broken/miscast bits, but they only have two outstanding KSes at the moment, with neither one currently delayed nor scheduled for activity until the summer.

I don't disagree that they should slow down their pace and stop making stupid mistakes, but there's no need to exaggerate reality. It just belittles the valid points you have when you do that.

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UK

 GrimDork wrote:
Thing is, aside from the special characters, Dreadball isn't that expensive to just buy stuff as you want it at retail. A team costs ~£12.50 from online retailers, and comes with a nice box, cover art and bases. On the Kickstarter, this was instead £7.75 per team for just a bag - a decent saving, but you had to buy them two at a time, pay for extra bases (and storage if you cared about that) and were running the risk of varying sculpt quality.

I don't mean to gloat, but I've bought all the teams I wanted via online retail for £9 (there's always a 40-50% discount lurking around somewhere if you're patient enough).. once you factor in the bases, case, mantic point and being able to see the sculpts first, I'm fairly happy with that. KS exclusives are nice to have, though.

Always be cautious with KS purchases, especially before the final survey if there's no sculpts/renders or you're curious about how the retail prices will pan out.

Striker was still a great deal though, just for all those free MVPS, that added a great big chunk of extra value.

There are some things I hope improve with DBX... the acrylic counters for starters, the deadzone ones are crap, not worth the $20 I spent, barely visible, wildly off-centre icons, just a total half-arsed job from whoever their supplier was. would have been better off painting icons on to a set of tiddlywinks.

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Melbourne

 scarletsquig wrote:
There are some things I hope improve with DBX... the acrylic counters for starters, the deadzone ones are crap, not worth the $20 I spent, barely visible, wildly off-centre icons, just a total half-arsed job from whoever their supplier was. would have been better off painting icons on to a set of tiddlywinks.


My DB ones are fine and I don't recall hearing anyone bitching about their quality, did they change supplier for DZ?

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UK

Might have done, I've seen the DB ones as well and they look fine. Something to ask about before getting any this time around.
   
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Illinois

Huh. I really like the mantic cases. Can fit 20 or maybe 25 minis in there if you squeeze. I dunno about paying 4-5 dollars for a solo mantiic case, but they definitely add value to any purchase which includes one.

 
   
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But yeah, the Dreadball counters are fine (including the Ultimate Dreadball ones) but most of the Deadzone acrylic counters are genuinely terrible.
   
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Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.

I don't think ill be jumping on this.

I am in agreement that they seem to be burning through Dreadball and kickstarters in general way to quickly.

Still I like the concept as a whole.



 
   
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SoCal

I feel like they should let Dreadball consolidate its position for a year or two before adding any more rules or gimmicks. People can become burnt out on a game that changes faster than they can master or even learn it.

   
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Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.

I am inclined to agree. It also risks splitting the playbase a little to early.

I think team releases would have been better a little slower to keep people talking and buying new things for the game instead of having so much released instantly. For big wargames where you collect lots of models everything quickly is the way to go but I think for games where you pretty much pick up a team and can play slow additions are probably better.



 
   
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Illinois

I could get behind that reasoning. Put out so many teams. Start deploying a new team every month or two or three... whatever works, and people who like the aesthetics/rules they bring will feel obligated to pick them up, but they won't really be burning too much to do so. Kind of like if they had released deadzone with no booster models whatsoever, and waited half a year (or even 3 months) to deploy the various booster sets currently going up for preorder. You'd be eager for something new, and the price point doesn't exactly break the bank in the same way as a new army, or a new play style (including the need for new pitch, rulebook etc).

Still, I missed dreaball, so I * may* go in here. Maybe. I may throw too much money at the DZ second survey, I'll probably have that sorted in the next couple of weeks if I don't die under a pile of plastic/restic.


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Just listened to the latest podcast. Some interesting bits about nexus psi and dreadball xtreme in there. It kind of sounds like while you'll start out with a team that's all from the same faction, you can buy any player with enough credits so there may be some variance (terraton on the asterian team) or something like that. Could be pretty cool.

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New render of a DBX sculpt:

   
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California the Southern

I'm in the same position as GrimDork.

I missed the first one (just barely though, and couldn't talk Barzam into splitting it with me), and have generally enjoyed the Mantic "almost."

That new render looks pretty neat, and right up my alley. More weird armored stuff like that, and I may even be able to talk Barzam into playing. No idea what it is or who it's for though.

I like the idea of customizable teams. I know that was a big hangup for my family members as they like to mix things up and not be tied down to one specific type of figure.

Is this still set to launch this week? I haven't had many kickstarters to get too worked up over in the last few months.

Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

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Watch and listen to me ramble about these minis before ruining them with paint!
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The far north

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I feel like they should let Dreadball consolidate its position for a year or two before adding any more rules or gimmicks. People can become burnt out on a game that changes faster than they can master or even learn it.


What he said.

I will probably get in to dreadball sooner or later, but still feel that this release is to quick.

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Oberstleutnant






Perth, West Australia

I like the new releases. I think fleshing out the universe/game as early as possible - so long as quality is maintained - will help consolidate it as a large contender in the field, and make further inroads against the already established Blood Bowl. Dreadball Extreme is also an expansion that 1. offers a new gameplay type with the new board with scatter terrain, but 2. also just adds new teams to the basic game. So, the basic game being unchanged other than the addition of new teams should be good overall as more variety is always nice imo.

The 3 different Dreadball game types gives a great amount of replayability and options to the Dreadball game too. You can choose to play the basic one, if ou have lots of players you can play the 3-6 player one, or if you have more advanced players you can play the more "extreme" one. I think it's pretty much perfect tbh.

The addition of DBX takes nothing from the original. All, of course, given similar quality rules and balancing. I do not see how anything is taken away from the game.

p.s. Hard to tell much from that render so I can't really comment on it.

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Illinois

I'll definitely be looking into it. After ordering deadzone, I'm not sure I ever want to go as heavily into any one kickstarter as I did that one... but maybe the entry level or sweet spot for this would be acceptable.

 
   
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Perth, West Australia

 GrimDork wrote:
I'll definitely be looking into it. After ordering deadzone, I'm not sure I ever want to go as heavily into any one kickstarter as I did that one... but maybe the entry level or sweet spot for this would be acceptable.

What about your order are you regretting in particular? I went in heavy (~$1100?) and think it will all come in handy for Deadzone and for other games for a long time to come. That price would get you a GW army if you're lucky... I got 6, enough terrain for a 6x4 board and heaps more cool stuff. Yeah, you need to really be sure you want what you're ordering, but I think Deadzone value was superb.
   
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Illinois

It was, I'm just mad that I got it two whole months late, didn't get any suave extras like one of the guys promised, and am still missing 8 or more accessory sprues (which is technically like 16+ frames lol), the two metal mercs, and the entire fugging rebs booster bundle. I wouldn't be sore about not getting bonus freebies if they hadn't mentioned it, and I'm only really sore about the rebs bundle since it kind of gimps that faction compared to the other two. Give me a week or so to settle into the afterglow of having this much cool stuff to play with and I'll probably be all happy and stuff again.

I'm liable to dump another 2-300 on the survey for the zombies, peacekeepers, all of the cool antennocitis stuff I skipped the first time, and a few packs of the striders now that they're such a good deal Just miffed today is all

If I do go into this KS though, I did get a cool Wyn Greth'sky or whatever, so at least they spotted me a limited edition DB figure

 
   
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Oberstleutnant






Perth, West Australia

Ahh so you got some pretty bad mispacks and other non standard delays? Delays on KS's and mispacks don't bother me in the slightest so long as they're sorted within a few months, but I can see why they would bother you or others. I've lucked out and gotten basically perfect kickstarter deliveries every time, with the worst being the by now 1 year late Dreamforge stuff. But the quality of that stuff makes me not care in the slightest, especially given my huge backlog.

I was only missing a couple terrain sprues and the lower half of the marauder doggies in my Deadzone, but I'm happy for them to arrive with wave 2 shipping.

Pretty damn jelly of the ltd ed DB figure since I missed the KS and *really* want every. single. ltd ed mini ; p
   
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Illinois

No, technically everything that should be there, is there. The order is two months late because they missed it when shipping and then ran out of stuff, that isn't such a big deal really. I haven't gone into the baggies, but I have at least enough of each. On my shipping invoice most things are ticked off, and a few spots have an "owe" after them in red ink, like they were not available when they were packing the box or something. I think they packed the box very well, and everything that was meant to go into it did... they just didn't put everything into it on purpose.. for some reason. Potentially being out... though the whole point of me getting it this late was so it would be in stock so they could send it. Tad confused :p

I'm not really mad at anybody, and I waited pretty patiently for my two months. The only thing that's got me in a somewhat foul mood is the missing rebs models, 'cause that faction will suffer for however long it takes to get them in. Also, i was promised extras that did not manifest. I didn't need extras, but when you tell me I get a bag of chips for waiting too long for my sandwich, don't forget the fuggin chips!

Yeah, plus he's a not-Geth, so pretty damn neat of a mini

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Perth, West Australia

Hahahah yeah I'd love me some ME Minis. Almost as much as Starcraft minis.

Oh your avatar threw me off Grim, had no idea I was talking to you hahaha. Now I recall your situation, yeah it sucks.
   
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Illinois

Haha yeah temporary swap, lack of dz saw me buy up a cheap copy of sedition wars and I really liked that Quasimodo.

 
   
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 Yonan wrote:
Hahahah yeah I'd love me some ME Minis. Almost as much as Starcraft minis.

Oh your avatar threw me off Grim, had no idea I was talking to you hahaha. Now I recall your situation, yeah it sucks.


There was a starcraft board game you could probably paint up.



 
   
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Oberstleutnant






Perth, West Australia

Monopose low quality plastic sadly from what I recall of it. But thanks for pointing it out. Multi part plastic posable zealots, marines, templar... my god... I've seen some terran marine, zealot and zerg conversions from mostly 40k stuff which I'm very tempted to try, but I'd love a proper range.

Protoss Dreadball team kgo! I'm still working on my DFG Eisenkern team ; ) Speaking of which, having all these new teams coming out will give more opportunity for counts-as, converting other ranges to be used with Dreadball now that there will be more team rules available to use.

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Adelaide, Australia

There was a Starcraft minis game in development, I think it was Paulson talking about in the Robotech thread. It died a slow and painful death caught between the designer, Blizzard and someone else as figures needed constant approval and reapproval, and managers took weeks and months to email back asking for minor changes instead of days.

   
 
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