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Wow. They are really committed to get that one going again ... good stuff.


Still hate that cheap-ass Deadzone-mouse-mat material.

I'd kill for the Xtreme and that new DBO pitch on a nice, quality Axis-&-Allies-style boardgame board.

I really don't get why they are courting the boardgame crowd with the new miniature-policy, and than chase them away again with those horrible rubber-mats.

You're genuinely the only person I've seen that dislikes the rubber mats. Most reactions I've seen, even from boardgamers is 'wow, that's really awesome.'

Bolognesus, every team in Dreadball Xtreme will be available in a future Dreadball Season book. Just because the actual teams are unlicensed, doesn't mean that the in-universe Dreadball Governing Body won't find a way to bring in a team that looks the same into the big stadiums.

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ Not quite sure, but they're actually my least favourite out of all the teams so far.

I love the look of all the season 5 teams, really tough decision to pick the freebie there.

New update has worked nicely, +$3k in the space of a few minutes. If they can clear out all the Frenzies by Sunday then they'll have at least another $100k of funding sorted.

Though because of all the speculative Frenzies, there's still going to be a huge last-minute drop. We just saw the tip of the iceberg. Really, and now with daily team unlocks, it goes back to all that "fake stretch goals" stuff I used to talk about, just as the prone players and alt sculpts also do.

 Compel wrote:
You're genuinely the only person I've seen that dislikes the rubber mats. Most reactions I've seen, even from boardgamers is 'wow, that's really awesome.'

Bolognesus, every team in Dreadball Xtreme will be available in a future Dreadball Season book. Just because the actual teams are unlicensed, doesn't mean that the in-universe Dreadball Governing Body won't find a way to bring in a team that looks the same into the big stadiums.

Certainly happy with the rubber mats, here.
Anyway, thanks. So that was a purely fluff-related statement and DGB will bring in lookalike teams or somesuch thing? That's fine, then. Probably no more than prudent, with the plague dudes

 Compel wrote:
You're genuinely the only person I've seen that dislikes the rubber mats. Most reactions I've seen, even from boardgamers is 'wow, that's really awesome.'

Possibly

Sucks I guess. At least, MERCS Recon with Myth-style board-game tiles will be hard to resist though.

To each his own, that's true. What's your problem with them, though? The stuff is nigh indestructible (certainly compared to even good boardgame cardboard...) and easy enough to store/take along - especially for multiple games (as in, DBO, DBX, DZ - all in one handy tube).

Rubber mats are awesome, played Deadzone on them last night, no slipping around at all even on a smooth table, really thin and light, you can loosely fold them up with no creasing. The upper surface is nicely printed and matt with some grip to it, not like those horrible shiny PVC mats you see sometimes.

The new dreadball one with places for your cards, counters and other stuff looks awesome.

Dunno. They feel "cheap".

No heft and depth. No "new boardgame" smell. And the "no-slipping" never seems to work for me in Deadzone either, so my club largely moved the Deadzone stuff to Dust Tactics boards.

Either way, I don't think it's the best idea to try pushing "Frenzy" as the main-pledge. There is a certain crowd that likes to splurge like that, but for the "unwashed masses", a 150 USD pledge is already a high bar for a Kickstarter-game pledge. "Workhorse" pledges at around US$ 100,- are still frequently around. The first DB-Kickstarter certainly ran mainly off the Striker Pledge, with well over 2000 of those pledged.

Trying to push the "average backer" to a 300+ USD pledge is not gonna work, I think, no matter how many free minis you throw in.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Time for everyone sitting on both Early Birds to start dropping out, maybe the backslide will make Mantic panic enough to start just throwing freebies at people. It's worked every time so far!

Aaand done.

Suddenly unlocking 3 teams for "free" shows just how bogus the whole stretch goal mechanic is.

Just read through the new update and I was a bit upset at how they're just tossing stuff out. It's great that they're finally filling out the pledges and options but it makes it aggravatingly apparent that they could have done so much sooner especially with how coy they were being about adding teams, and the filler app and story goals.

As for the teams themselves, it seems I'm one of the few that like the two starters (Convicts and Asterian) but overall everything on offer so far, including the stuff revealed today, lacks the charm of the original Dreadball KS offerings. Maybe I just think Space Marine and Ork teams are cooler than mutants.

I'm having a very difficult time keeping myself at Frenzy. At this point the only way I think I can wing it is if there ends up being some Deadzone cross compatibility, which I know they've shot down, but considering how they're now just going to dump free teams on us makes me unsure if they really don't plan on any crossover or if it's still just smoke and mirrors.

At least with a Rampage pledge I'd still be getting a good chunk of stuff and could pick up an extra team or two if I felt the urge.

Keeping or dumping my frenzy is going to depend on wether I like the majority of the teams enough to want 16 figure versions of each. A crap ton of figs if I only like half does me no good, and though I see the utility for a 16 figure team for your primary team, I suspect a basic 8 player team will work for me for the vast majority of them.

We'll see. I am glad they finally decided to add stuff to Frenzy.

The announcement today made me instantly add $60 to my rampage pledge... DB Mat, full Rebs team, Sphyr team.... yes please <3

I'm confused why people keep talking about cross compatibility with Deadzone. A proper Warpath KS sure, but a sports game? They aren't equipped to fight a plague incursion and many of these figures running around in Deadzone would just seem out of place.

I agree that Frenzy isn't for everyone, but it seems a crafty e-Bayer will get most of his money back while retaining the other half of the models he wants if they just wait for a month or two after the initial dumping that goes on.

Earth Dragon wrote:
I'm confused why people keep talking about cross compatibility with Deadzone.

Because everyone but Mantic knows that people loved Necromunda.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Wow. They are really committed to get that one going again ... good stuff.


Still hate that cheap-ass Deadzone-mouse-mat material.

I'd kill for the Xtreme and that new DBO pitch on a nice, quality Axis-&-Allies-style boardgame board.

I really don't get why they are courting the boardgame crowd with the new miniature-policy, and than chase them away again with those horrible rubber-mats.

I would like both, but too many are overly sold on the mouse mats and all Mantic seems to hear is praise.

Just some fun optional rules for off-pitch gang fights in the streets would be cool.

 AlexHolker wrote:

Earth Dragon wrote:
I'm confused why people keep talking about cross compatibility with Deadzone.

Because everyone but Mantic knows that people loved Necromunda.

But this a sports game. They don't have guns. They aren't being designed to be balanced in a skirmish game. It makes little sense to give them rules when you'd need a completely different line of models, which would take different funding, which they might as well do a different KS for at that point.

Obviously its the same giant crowd of people who wanted to use blood bowl players in their mordheim campaigns.

Earth Dragon wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

Earth Dragon wrote:
I'm confused why people keep talking about cross compatibility with Deadzone.

Because everyone but Mantic knows that people loved Necromunda.

But this a sports game. They don't have guns. They aren't being designed to be balanced in a skirmish game. It makes little sense to give them rules when you'd need a completely different line of models, which would take different funding, which they might as well do a different KS for at that point.

True. But it sorta worked with Mars Attacks, where they "kickstarted" (need new verbs there) the MA-Kickstarter in a lull by adding Deadzone options. So I guess it stuck as "miracle cure" in the minds of Mantic's faithful Kickstarter-backers.

Ultimately, DB Xtreme is in many ways already an application of Deadzone ideas to Dreadball... look at the "gritty" side of things, add crates and terrain, add plague mutants, etc.. .

It's not hard to see where it's coming from, though I also find it a bit annoying.



And ... as stupid as it sound ... people simply seem to enjoy "shopping" through Kickstarter, even for stuff already released.

I remember there was one question by somebody if Mantic could add the digital DreadBall compendium to the add-ons, only to have Mantic respond that anybody could buy the digital book at anytime from Mantic's digital page already. There truly is no point for that on Kickstarter, and still people would rather "kickstart" it than buy it "by itself" in an online-shop.

I kinda just see it as a playground for sorting out the Warpath universe and building excitement and interest for that

 Micky wrote:
Obviously its the same giant crowd of people who wanted to use blood bowl players in their mordheim campaigns.

Which is equally out of place. The entire ambiance of the game is cheapened when there are more "sports team factions" then legitimate Mordhiem war bands with models that look like should be there.

Wanting a "gang styled" skirmish game I'm down with, but this is not the right venue (meaning a Dreadball KS) to pursue those goals.

If Mantic don't write it, the fans probably will!

I find that a lot of the Dreadball teams look like superhero teams, so they would fit into a skirmish game well with just a few superpower rules.

Update #23 Mar 5 2014 - The players are coming out for the second half...

Well we are going to unlock one new Season 5 team a day - starting tonight!

However, a word of warning (and to thank those pledging early) - the Limited Edition 1 Frenzy will close at midnight (GMT) Sunday 9th March
...
exclusive rubber-backed Deluxe Dreadball Pitch - (could it REALLY be added free to Frenzy - surely not!) - and a highly detailed brass etching sheet, allowing you to add fine detail to your figures before (or indeed after) painting,

That should stall any Frenzy pledge drops I imagine haha. "The Unincorporated" rebs team, hello.

 AlexHolker wrote:

Earth Dragon wrote:
I'm confused why people keep talking about cross compatibility with Deadzone.

Because everyone but Mantic knows that people loved Necromunda.

In fairness, Games Workshop doesn't seem to know it either, though you could certainly make the argument that they know and just don't care too.

Today's announcement is nice, and I'll probably keep my Frenzy pledge.

Looks like this campaign is ending up quite a bit smaller than they anticipated. Not that surprised, given the quality issues they have had with their last 3 KS, and the lack of cross compatibility with other systems (Deadzone and Mars Attacks both had awesome scenery that people bought in huge quantities as it could be used in many different games).

 Micky wrote:
Obviously its the same giant crowd of people who wanted to use blood bowl players in their mordheim campaigns.

Mantic have said quite often that this was supposed to be a 'relatively small' kickstarter where they were looking at raising in between Mars Attacks and the original Dreadball levels.

So, I don't think there's a great deal to be missing from that plan. But yeah, I imagine the Frenzy pledges have skewed the levels loads.

If I remember right, the big kickstarter of the year looks to be the Kings of War one, which is where I imagine they'll be hoping to raise Deadzone levels of cash and, I imagine, hoping for more.

I thought KoW was supposed to be a 'mini kickstarter' too primarily trying to get the Abyssal and Nature armies some hard plastic? I thought I also heard SS say something about that one not happening this year now (or warpath).

I thought everything was supposed to be a smaller one until Warpath.

I'd settle for a balls out insanity campaign for Dwarf King's Hold, but that's just me showing me board gaming roots.

KoW 2.0 will probably satisfy my fantasy urgings for a bit.

Sucked it up and dropped to rampage. Would like to hold on to a bit of cash for their campaigns further down the line.

 GrimDork wrote:
I thought KoW was supposed to be a 'mini kickstarter' too primarily trying to get the Abyssal and Nature armies some hard plastic? I thought I also heard SS say something about that one not happening this year now (or warpath).

- KoW not until right at the end of this year if it happens this year, it might not, plans for it are vague. (confirmed)
- Warpath, 2015, no-one knows when, will be 100% hard plastic. (confirmed)


- Possible "new IP" KS sometime this year? (wild speculation)


Don't expect any new KS for a very long time, might be another 2 years before the warpath minis arrive in the mail.

No clue what's going on with DKH 4, no idea if it is being brought forward or shunted to 2016 or what.

All I know is DBX is the last Mantic KS for quite a long time (possibly at least 6 months). Mantic's release schedule is jam-packed currently, they're just about to release the last KoW KS items to retail, then they've got a ton more deadzone releases, then Mars Attacks for a few months, then with DBX they've got their release schedule filled quite a bit into 2015.