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I'm with Cincy on this. Basic visual presentation is one of the most important things in a KS/pre-order situation.

Dave - of course, they're reading forums now. It's almost time to launch. They'll be posting here as well, and then after the campaign ends, will disappear, never to be heard from again until the next campaign.

I fully expect the postage (and inevitable SPM delays) to price me out of this KS completely. That's ok though. I've seen Zombicide S2 make it to retail before my backer copy arrived, and the same is about to happen with Myth. Given the postage cost issues, it'll probably be cheaper (and maybe, faster) to support a local e-tailer.

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I guess if nothing else if the guys from SPM are reading forums outside their own after they release more information and are using that feedback to help prepare them for the KS and issues that are likely to arise then the teasers have served 2 purposes.

I'm also looking foward to this one I just hope shipping doesn't price me out of it though.

I'm really not trying to be negative, because I want this to be successful, but man, it's little things like this that eventually add up and really shoot my confidence right in the face.

 DaveC wrote:
I guess if nothing else if the guys from SPM are reading forums outside their own after they release more information and are using that feedback to help prepare them for the KS and issues that are likely to arise then the teasers have served 2 purposes.

I'm also looking foward to this one I just hope shipping doesn't price me out of it though. The original SDE is still very hard to get here (it took me 3 attempts to get it the first was with Maelstrom just before they went out of business) and shipping from anywhere else is pricey so if I can get from KS for about what it would cost in store (€90/$120) without futher taxes and handling charges then happy days actually up to $125 is good with me $100 pledge and $35 for shipping ($10 credit for shipping)

Dave - I'm a bit torn between this one and Arcadia!

What's your take on the two, and how they compare, or don't?

I want to know how soon is VERY soon going to be?

I was so bored after work today that I actually spent time talking to my colleagues! The nerve!

I guess I'm in the easy to please camp. Sure those pictures weren't the best, but we've seen decent shots of the new stuff before (from the various trade shows), so it isn't like it's a huge surprise.

Like everyone else I'm very curious as to how they're going to price and structure things.

Not sure as I haven't had a chance to look at Arcadia Quests rules yet they seem to be quite different games that share a similar asthetic but I wouldn't want to make a comparison without giving the rules a proper look over. I wasn't overly impressed with the gameplay video.

I still have a pledge on AQ but I'm not really feeling it and will probably drop out before the end one other deciding factor is that I have everything available for SDE so I'm quite invested in it already and I'm trying to limit the number of new games I'm investing in at the moment. I could have let the $90 ride on the AQ KS I had it to spare but then that damned Poots took $95 off me yesterday

Looking at the AQ rules I think the game is 'lighter' than SDE with the main action coming from player v player fighing,

the monsters are more incidental (although clever players can certainly use them to their advantage)

and nobody has to play the consul

I'd really hope Soda Pop release their co-op/arcade mode rules before AQ ends so I can make a proper comparison

It's actually strange how little the two overlap! Arcadia is basically a PvP raid of an escalating series of locations, where monsters just represent barriers to the all-important loot, and it's a case of choosing when to backstab each other. As I understand it, penalties for death are quite trivial, but cost you all-important time. I'm therefore not sure if it'll be as good-natured a game as something like Zombiecide.

SDE is an asymmetric combat game, with clearly defined goals for each side - still PvP, but asking very different things of the players. The original game arguably made things quite difficult for the consul player, as they had to do the majority of the planning and model-shuffling.

The new co-op mode should make things entirely non-competitive, but will hopefully add enough events/monster tactics to keep things interesting. Kingdom Death, Shadows of Brimstone and Journey all look to be going down the "give tons of items and monsters and choices and locations" road to provide variety/challenge, which I think SDE might struggle with unless they change their focus quite a bit for this game.

I also think the two games don't share a huge amount of aesthetic overlap - Arcadia tends toward ghoulish and detailed characters, with small and quite generic tiles, whereas SDE is far more overtly cute, with huge lush tiles that may still provide less variety.

The Always Super pledge includes three upgrade card packs: Dragonback Peaks, Caverns of Roxor, and Von Drakk Manor, each includes updated, errata'd, and slightly rebalanced cards for everything in the set.

 DaveC wrote:

The Always Super pledge includes three upgrade card packs: Dragonback Peaks, Caverns of Roxor, and Von Drakk Manor, each includes updated, errata'd, and slightly rebalanced cards for everything in the set.

That's at least better. You knew they were going to make them, so at least it isn't a crummy stretch goal that opens up the ability for me to pay for them....

I wonder how much that will go for...

Well they said there's only one pledge level and when someone on facebook said they couldn't spend more than $50 - $100 the response was they should be covered (just) with that.

I'm guessing $100 standard pledge $90 EB


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Do you have any more info on the stretch goals while we wait?

Heroes, monsters, all the trimmings.

Is "Always Super" the standard (just the box) tier or the McD's super size tier?

Always Super is the single pledge. So no worrying about which pledge level gets what. Always Super gets all the free Loot items. Then Blacksmith items are optional purchases. There is a healthy mix of both types.

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I see SDE is gone from the CMoN store (as is Relic Kinghts). They got Kaelly in but that's the last they'll be getting when she's sold out they won't have anymore SDE stuff.

https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/boardgames/super-dungeon-explore

No Early Birds now

Soda Pop Miniatures So.. to be clear. NO EXCLUSIVES - EVERYONE deserves to get their hands on the cool things we are making here. There WILL be great upgrades and unlocks... but not over the top - we want to keep this project on schedule!

Also - NO EARLY BIRD TIERS.. in fact.. there is ONE TIER - and what you see is what you get, the better we do, the more we can pack into the box for you.

ALSO - UPDATED CARDS for Vandells and NyanNyan and other promo heroes will make it into the upgrade decks, which ALL backers will receive as a part of their pledge.

just a couple more days... we are itching to do it too

here's the pledge level

Wow.

That's not a bad spread.

Not a bad spread at all.

No exclusives? No early birds either you say?

Soda Pop may just end up getting more money out of me yet.

I know exclusives tend to drive sales up, but a good deal is a good deal whether I can buy everything a few months down the line for more money or not. HOPEFULLY they keep hold of the reigns pretty tight on this campaign. Reading Deke's comments, that's what it sounds like they're going to try to do.

Plus those Mistbourn come as a complete surprise.

We also are getting 6 new heroes with those 2 new bonus ones.

Sounds like it starts next week as well. I guess that's good for both AQ and this.

Exciting things sure are happening on Kickstarter this March!

Very awesome - super looking forward to this, and it's already a damn good deal from the get go.

6 Heros
4 New spawning points worth of monsters
2 mini bosses
1 boss
All new cards for all the pre-existing heros/monsters
Pets/Traps
New Game mode
New Tiles
Extra dice/Treasure Chests/Boo booties
Tons of new treasure/loot cards

If you have any (let alone all) of the pre-existing SDE stuff a $100 pledge like triples the play value of it. And that's before any stretch goals!

Yowza.

Seeing the contents of the box, I wonder if there are enough Squirrel decks to justify selling Squirrel tokens by the bag? Bags of Sprouts as Saprolings would be another option.

Yeah I guess I'm happy about the lack of EB thing and certainly about the exclusives. It makes for a less spectacular KS but it allows people to get the 'complete' experience later which I've always been in favour of (it's the reason I won't get Zombicide)

Not bad at all. No exclusives, no EB. But I wonder what the savings are going to be compared to retail.

Well, I could be off-base here (as I bought SDE a couple of years after release, and in the UK), but I think the original base game was $100 retail.

So their logic is: you get the base game + 3 upgrade decks for your existing stuff + an extra hero + an extra monster group + applicable stretches for retail price, in exchange for not getting your usual retailer discount.

Of course, SDE stuff is so overpriced in the UK (current best Amazon price is £52 (=$87) for Von Drakk), that shipping and import duties aside, this might prove to be cheaper than buying off the shelves anyway. Here's hoping for a within-EU shipping option though!

It looks like this will end as the base game, an expansion, updated cards and a few heroes for $100 plus shipping

It looks like the mist mourn stuff is being set up as an expansion it's already a mini expansion stretch goals could boost it to a full expansion 2 more heroes another spawn point or 2 of monsters and a mini boss.

So your probably looking at retail of $100 base game, $60 expansion 2 or 3 heroes/mini bosses at$12.95 each and say cards at $5 a set (plus a few extra monsters here and there) so potentially $214 worth discount 20% for online retailers $170 ish worth for $100.

Note all speculation on my part not based on anything I've read.

I like that the boxed game is more or less complete (I expect a few more heroes) so they aren't taking stuff out to refill it later.

Looks like a good amount of stuff.

I don't see the crazy value you guys are seeing...

Base game = 79.99$

Heroes: Base 9, TFK 4
Boss: Base1, TFK 1
Minibosses: Base 2, TFK 2
Spawns: Base 3, TFK 4
Minions: Base 28, 26
Treasure: Base 5/2, TFK 5/3

So the core box is less product but about the same as the old core, which is easily obtainable for 80$ or less which means paying 100$ for the privilege of preorder and potentially crazy international shipping, there is no value.

Mistmourn Coast is maybe a fireflow denziens expansion pack which is 20ish dollars.

Candy is a single hero. 10$

So at *what I can get stuff for now* retail, this barley adds up to 110$ if I were to buy it all from miniature market or some other retailer.

While the value may appear later, right now, it is practically retail at this price. And for them making me wait 6 moths for a product they said in august would be on the shelves by now... They need to do a little better than that.

I like the 1 pledge to rule them all idea. Looks like a good deal too.

The Good:

- A single Pledge level with no early birds makes it unambiguous and 'fair' to all.

- Sounds like it's going to be a tightly scoped KS, which is never a bad thing in terms of delivery estimates and prodution schedules

The Not So Good:

-You're efffectively getting this for the same amount you'll be able to get it for at retail, except you have to pay them six months early.

- No exclusives for the KS make the incentive to back the KS a bit less.

Going to be interesting to see how well it does. If it's basically a pre-order, I actually may be out. I don't know how comfortable I am giving SPM my money early without any serious incentive to do so. :/ But my mind can be changed!

I think nkelsch is being generous with those prices, or they've been extremely lucky. I was never able to get any of my SDE stuff that cheap!

I had a tough time finding the original SDE for only 80. In the end I got mine by dumping a bunch of prepainted figures that had gone up in value around the time I started getting back into painting, and I "paid" around the equivalent of 90 something.

Haven't been able to pick up any minibosses for under 15 with shipping either, and they've going for more at my local store (when they bother carrying them/ have any stock left).

I did get lucky with Roxor, finding someone had mislabeled an auction for a new box and got that for 30 with shipping though.

While this might be close to retail when the campaign starts, let's see what they do with stretches. I think that can really jack the value up.

The core box retails for about $100, so you're essentially getting the rest of it free for pre-ordering.

That said, you can maybe get pretty close to $100 from discounters, and the shipping costs may take the edge out of it somewhat.

I'm interested, but my fear is that with shipping and import taxes to the UK this will cost more than retail.

Hopefully there's enough stuff added in the end that the campaign can justify those shipping expenses for you guys on the other side of the pond.

I feel for our Euro brothers out there, because shipping most certainly SUCKS.

It's not a bad offering, but as nkelsch points out it's not a fantastic deal either since they're still charging you closer to retail than wholesale (i.e. - the typical KS pricing tactic). If that is the sum total of the offering, as some have indicated it will be, then it is a questionable value for SPM to have your money for 6 months which in many ways would translate into costing you MORE than picking up most of the stuff at retail later (or more likely from a discount shop).

I might still toss in a pledge just because I like SDE, but I'll need to think on it more.


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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

I think nkelsch is being generous with those prices, or they've been extremely lucky. I was never able to get any of my SDE stuff that cheap!

Not to be a shill, but http://www.miniaturemarket.com/table-top-miniatures/soda-pop-miniatures/super-dungeon-explore.html is where I got all my stuff outside of the base game which the FLGS had in stock.

A few more bits from facebook

They have more bits they want to add to the main box set funding permitting, the pledge graphic is the base game at the start of the KS.

There will be minion packs available separately

30 Day KS ending on a weekend (or adjusted to end on a weekend but close to 30 days)

Older SDE stuff might be available in the pledge manager.

This next one muddies the water a bit when working out value:

MSRP is still to be determined due to how much we can include in the box, based on the outcome of the campaign - but we are targeting no higher than our current set, and lower if able.

30 days ending on a weekend.. they could do it tomorrow or sunday they say ending a campaign on a sunday is a good idea, for some reason I never tried to figure out. I get the feeling they wanna launch it before the end of Arcadia Quest to steal some of their end of the campaign thunder. Or would that end up with AQ stealing SDE's beginning campaign thunder?

Their post from this morning suggested a few days yet but I don't know Friday is a good launch day from what I've seen and they'd be mad not to launch before AQ ends. That's all dependant on if they have KS approval and if they don't have some form of agreement with CMoN not to overlap projects who knows what was in the release agreement they came to.