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 poppa G wrote:
Anyways, about the pulling her in part. In the world of business and sales there's something called "assuming the sale". Basically you just assume that they will buy your product, you assume that they're interested. So you just move forward.

And here's the difference: if you do that in business the worst that can happen is someone gets a bit annoyed and you have to go back and renegotiate. If you do that with a relationship or sex and guess wrong then congratulations, you just crossed someone's boundaries and made them extremely uncomfortable. Even if you're the kind of sociopath who doesn't care if you hurt someone that's a pretty good way to earn yourself a reputation as a creep, and will likely kill your chances with that person in the future.

If you ask a yes or no question there's a bigger chance that they'll say no. That's why it's better to not ask those type of questions. Do you see what I'm getting at?

I see exactly what you're getting at: that the only thing that matters is getting what you want, so it's perfectly acceptable to risk violating someone's boundaries if it means you have less chance of rejection. Let me ask you this: if someone would say no if you asked first then why exactly do you want to do anything with them.

If you ask and she says no there will still be that awkwardness there.

No there won't be, because there's just the awkwardness of knowing that you were interested, not the awkwardness of knowing that you were interested combined with the awkwardness of actually doing it.

 Peregrine wrote:
Why not just ask?

I guess I will, next time. Maybe.

I have a hard time calling him a creep and a sociopath for attempting to snuggle with a girl he's already been out with and has now invited him over to her house.

I confess the accents are a sure way to hook a girl. As is the idea of talking about books, I always pick the quiet ones at the library. Wierd place to meet people but during college study sessions... They are the best place to find a girl who is actually smart and doesn't walk into walls.

 gorgon wrote:
I have a hard time calling him a creep and a sociopath for attempting to snuggle with a girl he's already been out with and has now invited him over to her house.

It's not attempting to move to the next step that's creepy, it's doing it with a strategy that is explicitly designed to make it harder to say no and doesn't show any concern for the other person's boundaries.

 Peregrine wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
I have a hard time calling him a creep and a sociopath for attempting to snuggle with a girl he's already been out with and has now invited him over to her house.

It's not attempting to move to the next step that's creepy, it's doing it with a strategy that is explicitly designed to make it harder to say no and doesn't show any concern for the other person's boundaries.

The only reason I'm using this strategy is because I know that she's a bit shy. Shy people ALWAYS need a little push, they need the other person to make the first/next move. If you ask a shy person a straight up question like: "do you want to kiss?" they'll stammer, over-think it, and psych themselves out of not doing it. So instead of just asking, set the mood, get a little close, some eye contact, make it so they know exactly what you're getting at. Go in a bit slow, just in case they want to say no.
Also, I am a gentleman, I refuse to ever "rape-kiss" if you know the term. If you don't it's just where you kiss them fast and unexpectedly.

 Seaward wrote:
Why is this thread any longer than simply saying, "ask"?

Cuz not all of us are naval aviators.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:Good luck with that Hybrid, hope it goes well!

chaos0xomega wrote:Nice! Good job Hybrid!!!

Thanks!
I think it went quite well on the climbing front : she learned to do the figure-eight knot, she learned to belay, she did what we call «école de vol» in French (jumping off the wall just as an exercise so when you actually fall, you are more confident), she was able to do 5A climbing routes (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_%28climbing%29#Free_climbing_2 ) with relative ease, and she went halfway through 5B climbing routes ! This is pretty good for a first time, I guess. Next time she should try lead climbing.
On the date front, though… I do not know, I am quite clueless . Actually, I do not even know if she has a boyfriend or not .

Wow... the French ranking system is weird, but 5.7/5.8 for a first time climber is pretty good, but lead climbing?? O.O I've been climbing for over a year and I still can't lead climb (though I do drag rope to practice). In any case, I would say keep doing what you're doing, flirt a little bit, see where it goes... worst comes to worst she's involved and oh well, you can get some good practice in.

So I'm going over to that girl's house today, the one I took on a date recently mentioned in this thread. It is tonight I break the barrier between friend and lover. Upon seeing her I will initiate a hug, slightly longer than other ones. If she sits down on the couch first I will sit close to her, close enough to pull her in to cuddle during the horror film. No words are necessary I think.
1. If I sit down first then I'll have to tell her to come sit by me, maybe I'll pull the 'I'm scared of horror movies/card".
2. If she turns me down to cuddle...hm. I could ask if she's a lesbian? I've never really been turned down for this so I'm not sure how to react...

Anyways, the point of tonight is to see if there's mutual attraction. And to make clear that I find her attractive.

Please tell me you're not being serious...

 Compel wrote:
I know pretty much nothing about dating, however I can tell you this.

There is absolutely no good outcome whatsoever that can happen from asking a girl you're attracted to if she's a lesbian. None whatsoever.

This.

Yeah, it's much easier if you just pull someone in and exploit their reluctance to make an awkward situation by resisting too much. Why bother using words when that's so much harder and more open to failure?

Yup, rape is great.

The lesbian part was a joke btw
Anyways, about the pulling her in part. In the world of business and sales there's something called "assuming the sale". Basically you just assume that they will buy your product, you assume that they're interested. So you just move forward. If you ask a yes or no question there's a bigger chance that they'll say no. That's why it's better to not ask those type of questions. Do you see what I'm getting at? If you ask and she says no there will still be that awkwardness there. If you put yourself out there there will always be a chance for rejection, that awkwardness. Whether it be in action or through words. So Pere, where's your problem with my method, again?

In my case, its not so much your method, just the way you're intellectualizing (if you can even really say that)... "Tonight I break the barrier between friend and lover." Get the hell over yourself man, just go for the kiss or cuddle or whatever and see where it goes. Ugh, just your entire post is so creeeepy.

I have a hard time calling him a creep and a sociopath for attempting to snuggle with a girl he's already been out with and has now invited him over to her house.

"I have a hard time calling him a rapist or a sociopath for attempting to sleep with a girl he's already been out with and has now invited him over to her house." Thats like implying he has a right to snuggle/cuddle/sleep with her because he took her out on a date. He has no right whatsoever that she doesn't agree to. And the issue isn't that he's attempting to move things forward, its the attitude and the way he is presenting himself here.

The only reason I'm using this strategy is because I know that she's a bit shy. Shy people ALWAYS need a little push, they need the other person to make the first/next move. If you ask a shy person a straight up question like: "do you want to kiss?" they'll stammer, over-think it, and psych themselves out of not doing it. So instead of just asking, set the mood, get a little close, some eye contact, make it so they know exactly what you're getting at. Go in a bit slow, just in case they want to say no.
Also, I am a gentleman, I refuse to ever "rape-kiss" if you know the term. If you don't it's just where you kiss them fast and unexpectedly.

Well I certainly hope so dude, but you realize that you disccusing this stuff with us (as anonymous internet personalities) is more indicative of your inner-monologue than your outwards manifestation/representation of yourself, so the fact that you are presenting yourself in this way just makes you ooze creepiness...

 poppa G wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
I have a hard time calling him a creep and a sociopath for attempting to snuggle with a girl he's already been out with and has now invited him over to her house.

It's not attempting to move to the next step that's creepy, it's doing it with a strategy that is explicitly designed to make it harder to say no and doesn't show any concern for the other person's boundaries.

The only reason I'm using this strategy is because I know that she's a bit shy. Shy people ALWAYS need a little push, they need the other person to make the first/next move. If you ask a shy person a straight up question like: "do you want to kiss?" they'll stammer, over-think it, and psych themselves out of not doing it. So instead of just asking, set the mood, get a little close, some eye contact, make it so they know exactly what you're getting at. Go in a bit slow, just in case they want to say no.
Also, I am a gentleman, I refuse to ever "rape-kiss" if you know the term. If you don't it's just where you kiss them fast and unexpectedly.

I have an idea poppa G. Don't be so desperate to break any kind of friend/lover barriers. No one likes someone who is desperate.

In sales/business there is another saying. A Sale is simply the transfer of enthusiasm from one person to another. Just focus on having a good time and be confident that you are a good catch. If you act like a good catch, she will perceive that you are a good catch. Plus, if you constantly act like a good catch, you might actually turn out to be one! You have transferred your enthusiams for being with her, to her being enthusiastic about being with you. Once that enthusiasm is built, things will go organically from there.

If you fail to build that enthusiasm then you will get no where.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wow... the French ranking system is weird, but 5.7/5.8 for a first time climber is pretty good, but lead climbing?? O.O I've been climbing for over a year and I still can't lead climb (though I do drag rope to practice).

Yeah, she is pretty good.
Are you climbing indoor ? If that is the case, you really should be able to lead climb! Just go to an easy route you are pretty confident you will be able to do without falling, find someone who is a good teacher to bailey you, and give it a try. You will see, it is quite a different experience when falling means really falling, not just letting go of the hold . Falling can be fun or frustrating, or both at the same time, actually.
If you are doing that outdoor, it might be harder. I remember falling while lead-climbing and being stuck upside-down, my back to the wall : I was completely incapable of doing anything, hopefully that happened very close to ground-level! That was quite a long time ago, at least ten years, but I still remember that falling outdoor can be serious business.
Do you climb in a club, or with friends ?
The plan was to first have her top roping with about 1 meter of slack, then do the same but also having her stop to clip the part of the rope she is not attached to, so that she get used to let go off one hand, and last have her lead climb. Maybe skip the second part if she seems she does not need it, or on the contrary do it twice if she does not seem very confident. I will check with the colleagues I go climbing with if they think this is okay, because most of them also started climbing recently, so they remember their first time better than me.
(I was so unprepared to talk about climbing in English. I basically knew none of the specific terms beforehand. I was using lots of French words in the middle of English sentences. I only managed to write this message thanks to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_climbing_terms . Next time I will be ready! )

I am going on a double-feature B-movie Italian western on Friday with a friend, I wonder if I should invite her. I think I will.

chaos0xomega wrote:

The only reason I'm using this strategy is because I know that she's a bit shy. Shy people ALWAYS need a little push, they need the other person to make the first/next move. If you ask a shy person a straight up question like: "do you want to kiss?" they'll stammer, over-think it, and psych themselves out of not doing it. So instead of just asking, set the mood, get a little close, some eye contact, make it so they know exactly what you're getting at. Go in a bit slow, just in case they want to say no.
Also, I am a gentleman, I refuse to ever "rape-kiss" if you know the term. If you don't it's just where you kiss them fast and unexpectedly.

Well I certainly hope so dude, but you realize that you disccusing this stuff with us (as anonymous internet personalities) is more indicative of your inner-monologue than your outwards manifestation/representation of yourself, so the fact that you are presenting yourself in this way just makes you ooze creepiness...

*shrug* I just filed his presentation and choice of words under "general awkwardness," of which there's plenty in this thread. I think he was just trying to say that he's planning to make a move, and I think that sounds reasonable under the circumstances.

An important point here is that while you should always be respectful, being *excessively respectful* can screw up your opportunities. Guys who are inexperienced and lack confidence can be especially prone to this. They often rationalize their fears as them being "a perfect gentlemen." But if a girl feels that she's given you signals and you haven't made your move, she's liable to move you from the "gentleman" category to the "not interested romantically" category and move on quickly. And once a girl does that, it's hard to undo it.

With experience, you get a much better sense for when to make your move. Which is why you dateless guys should be out there practicing. I don't want to hear about any of you being disrespectful out there. However, I also don't think it'd be the end of the world if some of you guys were *respectfully overeager* a time or two (i.e. making the move even if you're unsure, but not in a way that'll get you slapped). The experience -- whether success or failure -- would probably do you some good and help you develop that sense I'm talking about.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
Why is this thread any longer than simply saying, "ask"?

Cuz not all of us are naval aviators.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:Good luck with that Hybrid, hope it goes well!

chaos0xomega wrote:Nice! Good job Hybrid!!!

Thanks!
I think it went quite well on the climbing front : she learned to do the figure-eight knot, she learned to belay, she did what we call «école de vol» in French (jumping off the wall just as an exercise so when you actually fall, you are more confident), she was able to do 5A climbing routes (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_%28climbing%29#Free_climbing_2 ) with relative ease, and she went halfway through 5B climbing routes ! This is pretty good for a first time, I guess. Next time she should try lead climbing.
On the date front, though… I do not know, I am quite clueless . Actually, I do not even know if she has a boyfriend or not .

Wow... the French ranking system is weird, but 5.7/5.8 for a first time climber is pretty good, but lead climbing?? O.O I've been climbing for over a year and I still can't lead climb (though I do drag rope to practice). In any case, I would say keep doing what you're doing, flirt a little bit, see where it goes... worst comes to worst she's involved and oh well, you can get some good practice in.

So I'm going over to that girl's house today, the one I took on a date recently mentioned in this thread. It is tonight I break the barrier between friend and lover. Upon seeing her I will initiate a hug, slightly longer than other ones. If she sits down on the couch first I will sit close to her, close enough to pull her in to cuddle during the horror film. No words are necessary I think.
1. If I sit down first then I'll have to tell her to come sit by me, maybe I'll pull the 'I'm scared of horror movies/card".
2. If she turns me down to cuddle...hm. I could ask if she's a lesbian? I've never really been turned down for this so I'm not sure how to react...

Anyways, the point of tonight is to see if there's mutual attraction. And to make clear that I find her attractive.

Please tell me you're not being serious...

 Compel wrote:
I know pretty much nothing about dating, however I can tell you this.

There is absolutely no good outcome whatsoever that can happen from asking a girl you're attracted to if she's a lesbian. None whatsoever.

This.

Yeah, it's much easier if you just pull someone in and exploit their reluctance to make an awkward situation by resisting too much. Why bother using words when that's so much harder and more open to failure?

Yup, rape is great.

The lesbian part was a joke btw
Anyways, about the pulling her in part. In the world of business and sales there's something called "assuming the sale". Basically you just assume that they will buy your product, you assume that they're interested. So you just move forward. If you ask a yes or no question there's a bigger chance that they'll say no. That's why it's better to not ask those type of questions. Do you see what I'm getting at? If you ask and she says no there will still be that awkwardness there. If you put yourself out there there will always be a chance for rejection, that awkwardness. Whether it be in action or through words. So Pere, where's your problem with my method, again?

In my case, its not so much your method, just the way you're intellectualizing (if you can even really say that)... "Tonight I break the barrier between friend and lover." Get the hell over yourself man, just go for the kiss or cuddle or whatever and see where it goes. Ugh, just your entire post is so creeeepy.

I have a hard time calling him a creep and a sociopath for attempting to snuggle with a girl he's already been out with and has now invited him over to her house.

"I have a hard time calling him a rapist or a sociopath for attempting to sleep with a girl he's already been out with and has now invited him over to her house." Thats like implying he has a right to snuggle/cuddle/sleep with her because he took her out on a date. He has no right whatsoever that she doesn't agree to. And the issue isn't that he's attempting to move things forward, its the attitude and the way he is presenting himself here.

The only reason I'm using this strategy is because I know that she's a bit shy. Shy people ALWAYS need a little push, they need the other person to make the first/next move. If you ask a shy person a straight up question like: "do you want to kiss?" they'll stammer, over-think it, and psych themselves out of not doing it. So instead of just asking, set the mood, get a little close, some eye contact, make it so they know exactly what you're getting at. Go in a bit slow, just in case they want to say no.
Also, I am a gentleman, I refuse to ever "rape-kiss" if you know the term. If you don't it's just where you kiss them fast and unexpectedly.

Well I certainly hope so dude, but you realize that you disccusing this stuff with us (as anonymous internet personalities) is more indicative of your inner-monologue than your outwards manifestation/representation of yourself, so the fact that you are presenting yourself in this way just makes you ooze creepiness...

hahah oh lord. I'm just going to start talking plainly from here on out. Humor doesn't exist here, I get. it. But that second post about shy people was fairly serious.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wow... the French ranking system is weird, but 5.7/5.8 for a first time climber is pretty good, but lead climbing?? O.O I've been climbing for over a year and I still can't lead climb (though I do drag rope to practice).

Yeah, she is pretty good.
Are you climbing indoor ? If that is the case, you really should be able to lead climb! Just go to an easy route you are pretty confident you will be able to do without falling, find someone who is a good teacher to bailey you, and give it a try. You will see, it is quite a different experience when falling means really falling, not just letting go of the hold . Falling can be fun or frustrating, or both at the same time, actually.
If you are doing that outdoor, it might be harder. I remember falling while lead-climbing and being stuck upside-down, my back to the wall : I was completely incapable of doing anything, hopefully that happened very close to ground-level! That was quite a long time ago, at least ten years, but I still remember that falling outdoor can be serious business.
Do you climb in a club, or with friends ?
The plan was to first have her top roping with about 1 meter of slack, then do the same but also having her stop to clip the part of the rope she is not attached to, so that she get used to let go off one hand, and last have her lead climb. Maybe skip the second part if she seems she does not need it, or on the contrary do it twice if she does not seem very confident. I will check with the colleagues I go climbing with if they think this is okay, because most of them also started climbing recently, so they remember their first time better than me.
(I was so unprepared to talk about climbing in English. I basically knew none of the specific terms beforehand. I was using lots of French words in the middle of English sentences. I only managed to write this message thanks to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_climbing_terms . Next time I will be ready! )

I am going on a double-feature B-movie Italian western on Friday with a friend, I wonder if I should invite her. I think I will.

Yeah, I do indoor climbing, I've never been outdoor but the indoor lead routes at my gym are all overhang based and excruciatingly long, I tried climbing one of the easier routes (dragging rope, it was set up to be a dual top/lead route) once and I only made it about half way before my arms game out, I think one of the bigger issues is that I still have a lot of trouble clipping which causes me to waste a lot of time (and energy) more or less hanging upside down lol. But otherwise I usually climb with friends (who are all way way better than me).

*shrug* I just filed his presentation and choice of words under "general awkwardness," of which there's plenty in this thread. I think he was just trying to say that he's planning to make a move, and I think that sounds reasonable under the circumstances.

Yes, that I agree with, but the way he was phrasing it... just... creeeeepy.

hahah oh lord. I'm just going to start talking plainly from here on out. Humor doesn't exist here, I get. it. But that second post about shy people was fairly serious.

Well if you were trying to be a little dramatic, you took it way too far... 'Never go full slow' lol Like seriously, I was half expecting you to go into a romance novel description of how you intended to bed her using heavy metaphors to describe everything...

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, I do indoor climbing, I've never been outdoor but the indoor lead routes at my gym are all overhang based and excruciatingly long

Then that is why you are not lead climbing ! We will try it on a very easy route, at first. And no overhang !

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think one of the bigger issues is that I still have a lot of trouble clipping which causes me to waste a lot of time (and energy) more or less hanging upside down lol.

I still do too, man, I still do. It is not easy to clip while fighting to keep balance. Actually, finding the right place and position to clip is pretty hard, and can make a huge difference.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wow... the French ranking system is weird, but 5.7/5.8 for a first time climber is pretty good, but lead climbing?? O.O I've been climbing for over a year and I still can't lead climb (though I do drag rope to practice).

Yeah, she is pretty good.
Are you climbing indoor ? If that is the case, you really should be able to lead climb! Just go to an easy route you are pretty confident you will be able to do without falling, find someone who is a good teacher to bailey you, and give it a try. You will see, it is quite a different experience when falling means really falling, not just letting go of the hold . Falling can be fun or frustrating, or both at the same time, actually.
If you are doing that outdoor, it might be harder. I remember falling while lead-climbing and being stuck upside-down, my back to the wall : I was completely incapable of doing anything, hopefully that happened very close to ground-level! That was quite a long time ago, at least ten years, but I still remember that falling outdoor can be serious business.
Do you climb in a club, or with friends ?
The plan was to first have her top roping with about 1 meter of slack, then do the same but also having her stop to clip the part of the rope she is not attached to, so that she get used to let go off one hand, and last have her lead climb. Maybe skip the second part if she seems she does not need it, or on the contrary do it twice if she does not seem very confident. I will check with the colleagues I go climbing with if they think this is okay, because most of them also started climbing recently, so they remember their first time better than me.
(I was so unprepared to talk about climbing in English. I basically knew none of the specific terms beforehand. I was using lots of French words in the middle of English sentences. I only managed to write this message thanks to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_climbing_terms . Next time I will be ready! )

I am going on a double-feature B-movie Italian western on Friday with a friend, I wonder if I should invite her. I think I will.

Yeah, I do indoor climbing, I've never been outdoor but the indoor lead routes at my gym are all overhang based and excruciatingly long, I tried climbing one of the easier routes (dragging rope, it was set up to be a dual top/lead route) once and I only made it about half way before my arms game out, I think one of the bigger issues is that I still have a lot of trouble clipping which causes me to waste a lot of time (and energy) more or less hanging upside down lol. But otherwise I usually climb with friends (who are all way way better than me).

*shrug* I just filed his presentation and choice of words under "general awkwardness," of which there's plenty in this thread. I think he was just trying to say that he's planning to make a move, and I think that sounds reasonable under the circumstances.

Yes, that I agree with, but the way he was phrasing it... just... creeeeepy.

hahah oh lord. I'm just going to start talking plainly from here on out. Humor doesn't exist here, I get. it. But that second post about shy people was fairly serious.

Well if you were trying to be a little dramatic, you took it way too far... 'Never go full slow' lol Like seriously, I was half expecting you to go into a romance novel description of how you intended to bed her using heavy metaphors to describe everything...

The thought did cross my mind. XD Perhaps I did go slightly over the line...

Sorry to be annoying, but when posting an answer, you should just edit the quote to keep only what you are answering to, it would make everything clearer and easier to read .

 Peregrine wrote:
It's not attempting to move to the next step that's creepy, it's doing it with a strategy that is explicitly designed to make it harder to say no and doesn't show any concern for the other person's boundaries.

Is he snuggling with chloroform?

She blushed a lot when I did certain things.

This could be misinterpreted, and thats what we're here for!

EDIT: And the following page certainly took this thread to a strange turn.

 Frazzled wrote:

She blushed a lot when I did certain things.

This could be misinterpreted, and thats what we're here for!

EDIT: And the following page certainly took this thread to a strange turn.

hahah it was meant to be odd.
When I came to the door I called her pretty. Had a long hug at the end of the date. Blushed twice.
Good signs?...


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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
It's not attempting to move to the next step that's creepy, it's doing it with a strategy that is explicitly designed to make it harder to say no and doesn't show any concern for the other person's boundaries.

Is he snuggling with chloroform?

That's the only way to do it. 100% success rate.

So you didnt break the barrier between friend and lover, huh? ;P always next time, make a move man, if shes the one giving you the long hug, its probably because shes hopin for more.

chaos0xomega wrote:
So you didnt break the barrier between friend and lover, huh? ;P always next time, make a move man, if shes the one giving you the long hug, its probably because shes hopin for more.

Its easy, just take her out, bring her out to a movie, and talk about the movie afterwards, act flirty, talk to her, comfort her, be kind. Be intelligent, be resourceful. 9 times out of 10 that usually works. The one time it doesn't work, she isn't worth it. Been down that path. Sadly I still have knife wounds from that. Damn you Delta Farce agents!

chaos0xomega wrote:
So you didnt break the barrier between friend and lover, huh? ;P always next time, make a move man, if shes the one giving you the long hug, its probably because shes hopin for more.

Well we sat close together and under a blanket? And she suggested we hang out again very soon after the movie.
Soo...maybe? I have a feeling this may move slower than I had in mind.

 poppa G wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
So you didnt break the barrier between friend and lover, huh? ;P always next time, make a move man, if shes the one giving you the long hug, its probably because shes hopin for more.

Well we sat close together and under a blanket? And she suggested we hang out again very soon after the movie.
Soo...maybe? I have a feeling this may move slower than I had in mind.

Dating is always tenacious, you always have to play your cards right. at a certain time.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 poppa G wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
So you didnt break the barrier between friend and lover, huh? ;P always next time, make a move man, if shes the one giving you the long hug, its probably because shes hopin for more.

Well we sat close together and under a blanket? And she suggested we hang out again very soon after the movie.
Soo...maybe? I have a feeling this may move slower than I had in mind.

Dating is always tenacious, you always have to play your cards right. at a certain time.

Very true, my friend. A crazy game of chess.

I feel you're going into relationships in a wrong-minded way if you think the complexities of human relationships are comparable to playing a board game.

 Cheesecat wrote:
I feel you're going into relationships in a wrong-minded way if you think the complexities of human relationships are comparable to playing a board game.

Indeed, especially since it's a game where one side "wins" and the other "loses". It makes it seem very materialistic and shallow, considering we're dealing with living people with emotions.

 Cheesecat wrote:
I feel you're going into relationships in a wrong-minded way if you think the complexities of human relationships are comparable to playing a board game.

With how much chess I play, I equate everything to chess.
With this though, just moves and counter moves. The end game in this isn't win or loss.

Well, that was cringe worthy.

 Cheesecat wrote:
Well, that was cringe worthy.

I aim to please.

Pretty muchi see that if a bloke over analyses "how to get a girl" it wont work or at least wont be natural. Some times stuff works, sometimes it wont, the amount of ques i've missed to see if a girl likes me is insane, i once had a girl over, who i without realizing badly set up for a relationship, at my house she asked me flirty questions, flirted in two languages, hell bend over and "struggled" with my warhammer case yet somehow it went over the top of my head, in retrospect it was sweet, but i missed my chance, not fussed, just i should have acted. Especially on "its been a long time since i kissed someone, can you teach me" >.>

It's not bad, i had started dating my more attractive girlfriend after who did all the same stuff

 Grimskul wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
I feel you're going into relationships in a wrong-minded way if you think the complexities of human relationships are comparable to playing a board game.

Indeed, especially since it's a game where one side "wins" and the other "loses". It makes it seem very materialistic and shallow, considering we're dealing with living people with emotions.

That is so true, reminds me of this video although this video is about how North Americans generally compare sex to baseball. I know this thread is about dating but thought I would share the video.