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So I've heard this theory that placing a Land Raider sideways at the edge of your deployment zone and then, on your first turn, pivoting it to face forward before movement is a legal way of gaining a couple extra inches of movement, the downside being, that your tank's side armor is exposed to enemy fire (not a problem though, if it is a Land Raider or Rhino - obviously this trick wont go well with Chimeras) if your opponent goes first or manages to steal the initiative.

I tried it with my Crusader and actually it's not possible - it only works if the hull of the Land Raider is at the edge of your deployment zone, but that would be illegal as then the weapon sponson would be jutting beyond the edge of your deployment zone. So, if you place your LR sideways in such a way that the side sponson is also within the deployment zone, then pivoting it around will make no difference (I measured).

However, it works with Rhinos, although, due to their smaller size, the additional movement you gain is, at best, 1 inch.

Does anyone have experience with this?

I do it all the time. Totally legitimate. And despite seeing some pretty intense venom for the practice spewed here on Dakka, I've never had an opponent even blink an eye over it.

I would have no issue with this at all and I may try it myself. Besides, I don't think anyone is going to get worked up over a land raider doing this.

Some of the Dark Eldar or Necron vehicles, which are longer and slimmer (and open topped!) can get a little more advantage out of the maneuver.

Except if you are pre measuring to keep the land raiders multi melta from getting bonus armor pen.

Any turn you pivet should reduce your movement by an inch its only fair. It's OK though I do it with ork trukkz.

Never even considered it. THen again, most everything that starts near the enemy on my table is Scouting, heh.

That sounds pretty silly and pretty gamey. It seems perfectly legal, but not like something I'd do because of the aforementioned factors.

If someone did this to me, I would pick up their model and throw it as hard as I can against the wall.

Stormbreed wrote:
If someone did this to me, I would pick up their model and throw it as hard as I can against the wall.

I think I'd just say "dude, really?" before causing property damage.

Stormbreed wrote:
If someone did this to me, I would pick up their model and throw it as hard as I can against the wall.

If someone did that to my Raider I would report them to the police and demand restitution.

@Rismonite

Pre measuring of any sort is Kosher in 40k.

If people do this just to gain an advantage. Why do people put the sponsons at the rear position.
Meaning the tank sticks out over 50% to shoot to the side.?

 loki old fart wrote:
If people do this just to gain an advantage. Why do people put the sponsons at the rear position.
Meaning the tank sticks out over 50% to shoot to the side.?

One day we're going to see a land raider with both sponsons on the same side to make this tactic more powerful...

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
If people do this just to gain an advantage. Why do people put the sponsons at the rear position.
Meaning the tank sticks out over 50% to shoot to the side.?

One day we're going to see a land raider with both sponsons on the same side to make this tactic more powerful...

interesting. But it didn't answer my question

 loki old fart wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
If people do this just to gain an advantage. Why do people put the sponsons at the rear position.
Meaning the tank sticks out over 50% to shoot to the side.?

One day we're going to see a land raider with both sponsons on the same side to make this tactic more powerful...

interesting. But it didn't answer my question

Could you rephrase your question? I can't understand it, I'm sorry.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
If people do this just to gain an advantage. Why do people put the sponsons at the rear position.
Meaning the tank sticks out over 50% to shoot to the side.?

One day we're going to see a land raider with both sponsons on the same side to make this tactic more powerful...

interesting. But it didn't answer my question

Could you rephrase your question? I can't understand it, I'm sorry.

If people will go to tricks to gain an advantage.

Why put the guns at the back? Exposing more of the tank to fire, surely they would want the best cover save.

Because then the doors will be closer to the front. Personally, that's MORE of an advantage to me, since my Land Raider's primary purpose is as a terminator transport, not a firing platform. And honestly, I give less than two farts about exposing my tank to enemy fire. I have yet to have my Land Raider shot open in this edition. Thus far every time it's been destroyed has been in assault. For me, having the bolters in the forward slots is far more effective than the other way around.

 loki old fart wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
If people do this just to gain an advantage. Why do people put the sponsons at the rear position.
Meaning the tank sticks out over 50% to shoot to the side.?

One day we're going to see a land raider with both sponsons on the same side to make this tactic more powerful...

interesting. But it didn't answer my question

Could you rephrase your question? I can't understand it, I'm sorry.

If people will go to tricks to gain an advantage.

Why put the guns at the back? Exposing more of the tank to fire, surely they would want the best cover save.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, people do everything they can just to gain an advantage. Some people will model their Wraithknights/Riptides to be squatting/kneeling for LOS bonuses and whatnot. This is usually called MFA and is frowned on though not against the rules.

There is some debate whether putting the Land Raider guns on the front is okay or not. I don't really understand it myself since if GW didn't want us to they wouldn't make it so easy to model it that way. I suppose people just don't like it when you give yourself an advantage before the game even starts.

Next land raider I get, both weapons are going to be on one side. That way I can use the LR hull to BLOS to a unit and then fire all weapons from the other side.

We can call it the Land Raider broadside.

I use it with Trukks and Battlewagons. They both have massive sides, so gain at least a solid 3 inches or so. One advantage of having a tiny front section and ridiculously long side sections is this tactic, and helps recoup at least some of the disadvantage of having a side 3 times as long as the front (or more, with a Deffrolla)

And nobody can really cry about it because hey, guess what, it's Orks.

It is gaming the rules and borderline cheating. While I wont throw the models across the room as one person suggested, you will not be getting another game from me if you cheat like this. I think my group would politely ask them to stop doing it or leave and not return.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
There is some debate whether putting the Land Raider guns on the front is okay or not. I don't really understand it myself since if GW didn't want us to they wouldn't make it so easy to model it that way. I suppose people just don't like it when you give yourself an advantage before the game even starts.

In 5th edition and prior, having the exit doors at the front helped unloading a huge squad (like a Crusader squad) as you couldnt place all of them within 2" of the assault ramp.

In 6th edition it is pretty moot as your squad can conga line out of the assault ramp and upto 6" away.

So here is what it really boils down to:

A) Put the guns on front: 1.5" more forward range (useful for double-tapping the Hurricane Bolters or being able to "lick" the enemy gunline with your Flamestorm Cannons)

B) Put the guns at the back: the guns can target units that are trying to assault the land raider's rear quarter. If the guns are at the front it is pretty easy for the enemy to flank attack the Raider as the sponsons do NOT have a 180° fire arc, but a 90° one due to the shield blocking the sponsons from fully turning.

So as you can see both mounts have their advantages and disadvantages

Stormbreed wrote:If someone did this to me, I would pick up their model and throw it as hard as I can against the wall.

No, no you wouldn't.

Col. Dash wrote: While I wont throw the models across the room as one person suggested, you will not be getting another game from me if you cheat like this. I think my group would politely ask them to stop doing it or leave and not return.

I don't really think it's "cheating". Is it making pivot rules work to your advantage in a way the writers may not have intended? Sure. But Cheating implies breaking a rule, not abusing it's loophole.

It's more of a cheap-trick that's maybe a little underhanded.

Definitely within the rules as written though.

-TheCaptain

I have less of a problem with this than I do with people putting non-skimmer tanks on top of the Skyshield.

Stormbreed wrote:
If someone did this to me, I would pick up their model and throw it as hard as I can against the wall.

And then the real fun would ensue.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I have less of a problem with this than I do with people putting non-skimmer tanks on top of the Skyshield.

What's the rationale for them doing that? They were placed up there by fliers before the battle?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I have less of a problem with this than I do with people putting non-skimmer tanks on top of the Skyshield.

Doesnt the Skyshield have a lift?

 Sir Arun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I have less of a problem with this than I do with people putting non-skimmer tanks on top of the Skyshield.

Doesnt the Skyshield have a lift?

No. The extent of it's access methods is ladders. Or jumping.

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Wouldn't bother me to have an opponent do it, it's not game breaking and frankly i want them to get closer to me.

If it sounds truly dumb to a new person then I dont do it.

"Why is the tank sideways?"

"to squeeze in extra movement."


That to me sounds really really silly so I wouldnt do it. Nor would I be pleased if my opponent did it. Tanks have movement values for a reason, keep to it in my opinion. Otherwise why not give everything else extra movement. Its the same thing.