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Still no plastic Havocs?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
So they are charging 50p-£1 more......for a new box.......for a new.....box.....

Not just any box, but a Citadel™ FineBox™, the most revolutionary thing to happen to boxes since the invention of cardboard. Truly GW are the maker of the finest boxes on earth.

If I am gonna give more for such a fine quality box I DEMAND white dwarf daily videos about proper care for your box and how to properly position it on your shelf, perhaps how to even hold the box.

Well i am looking forward to this.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
If I am gonna give more for such a fine quality box I DEMAND white dwarf daily videos about proper care for your box and how to properly position it on your shelf, perhaps how to even hold the box.

You needn't worry. Black Libarary will soon be putting out a digital "How to use your Citadel FineBox" publication. It will cover everything you need to know, from storage to maintenence to proper use. A hardback limited edition book will be out later in the year, for around £70-80. And a companion book will come out at the same time.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
If I am gonna give more for such a fine quality box I DEMAND white dwarf daily videos about proper care for your box and how to properly position it on your shelf, perhaps how to even hold the box.

You needn't worry. Black Libarary will soon be putting out a digital "How to use your Citadel FineBox" publication. It will cover everything you need to know, from storage to maintenence to proper use. A hardback limited edition book will be out later in the year, for around £70-80. And a companion book will come out at the same time.

 SickSix wrote:
Still no plastic Havocs?

Not this week anyway.

Ah, interesting. So Krannon survives in the novella huh? Seems like a slight retcon. I guess they figured that all this promoting of the Crimson Slaughter that they've been doing lately with that campaign and this codex coming up that the CS's looked like complete losers to get killed like that. Krannon still being alive at least means they don't have to be just another villainous speed bump that was quickly killed off, although they still aren't very impressive at the moment (presumably the codex will change that and add more fluff for them, I suppose).

TiamatRoar wrote:
Ah, interesting. So Krannon survives in the novella huh? Seems like a slight retcon.

A retcon from what? The novella was released with the starter set.

Animus wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
Ah, interesting. So Krannon survives in the novella huh? Seems like a slight retcon.

A retcon from what? The novella was released with the starter set.

Apparently the wiki article incorrectly states that the Librarian's vision actually happened. That was my bad as I was using the Lexicanum article as I haven't read the novella.

What I did find amusing though was GW had said that designed the Chaos miniatures to look as though they were in the Warp for 10,000 years... except the Crimson Slaughter would have only been in the Warp for several hundred to a thousand years depending on when they turned (supposed to have been somewhere in the current millenium). I mean, the miniatures look cool and generic-y Chaos but I found it funny that in the Dark Vengeance article when it was released, Jervis talked about naming them and everything for that forging the narrative garbage and then they said how they wanted the figures to look corrupted, but chose a renegade chapter that was relatively new for the figures to represent instead of a Traitor Legion that would have actually been in the EoT for eons.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
So they are charging 50p-£1 more......for a new box.......for a new.....box.....

Not just any box, but a Citadel™ FineBox™, the most revolutionary thing to happen to boxes since the invention of cardboard. Truly GW are the maker of the finest boxes on earth.


In all honesty though, a 50p-£1 increase is hardly a big deal (assuming CSM are still 10 per box). That's 'inflation level increase', rather than the typical GW tack 15%-50% because LOLidunno!

Hey, if the boxes are like the Knight's box? I'd be okay with it. It's a nice, sturdy resealable box with a tab and catch that you can use to transport the model in with some foam packing if so inclined.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Hey, if the boxes are like the Knight's box? I'd be okay with it. It's a nice, sturdy resealable box with a tab and catch that you can use to transport the model in with some foam packing if so inclined.

Only you could say something like this Kan.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Hey, if the boxes are like the Knight's box? I'd be okay with it. It's a nice, sturdy resealable box with a tab and catch that you can use to transport the model in with some foam packing if so inclined.

Only you could say something like this Kan.

Pft. Do you think I'm going to pay a gajillion dollars extra for some kind of mainstream carry cases?

I have packing foam and cardboard boxes! MY MODELS ARE INVINCIBLE!

It's good enough for my Infinity stuff, it's good enough for GW stuff!

WayneTheGame wrote:
What I did find amusing though was GW had said that designed the Chaos miniatures to look as though they were in the Warp for 10,000 years... except the Crimson Slaughter would have only been in the Warp for several hundred to a thousand years depending on when they turned (supposed to have been somewhere in the current millenium). I mean, the miniatures look cool and generic-y Chaos but I found it funny that in the Dark Vengeance article when it was released, Jervis talked about naming them and everything for that forging the narrative garbage and then they said how they wanted the figures to look corrupted, but chose a renegade chapter that was relatively new for the figures to represent instead of a Traitor Legion that would have actually been in the EoT for eons.

Time flows funny when the warp's involved, they could be millennia old.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Hey, if the boxes are like the Knight's box? I'd be okay with it. It's a nice, sturdy resealable box with a tab and catch that you can use to transport the model in with some foam packing if so inclined.

Only you could say something like this Kan.

Pft. Do you think I'm going to pay a gajillion dollars extra for some kind of mainstream carry cases?

I have packing foam and cardboard boxes! MY MODELS ARE INVINCIBLE!

It's good enough for my Infinity stuff, it's good enough for GW stuff!

I've found models survive better in the cardboard boxes with foam and standard plastic bags than in carry cases Thumbs up!

 kronk wrote:
I'm disappointed that they're doing Codex: Crimson Slaughter and not some war band based off one of the original legions, but maybe they don't want to step on FW's toes? I'd like to see how the Alpha Legion operates, or the Iron Warriors.

Since it's Khorne based, I'll have to pass.

I've heard this before (and I know it is a bit late), but how is this stepping on FW's toes? The closest I can think to that is HH but GW already made chapter tactics for SM and FW just released even more chapter tactics for loyalists.


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 Brother SRM wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:
Why is everyone hung up on what Chaos Marines are the face of the Codex? Its the rules that matter. I play my Night Lord biker/jump pack army with the White Scar chapter traits. Its WYSIWYG. Get over it.

Because some people would rather it be about their pet legion/warband. It's understandable, and kind of baffling that GW chose Crimson Slaughter instead of something a little more established/fleshed out. I guess this is their opportunity to bring the Crimson Slaughter to that level of depth though.

I just don't see why they didn't go for the Corsairs. Why not represent the recent renegades with the most iconic renegade army? Give some limitations but give them some more modern tech. Like they can't take ____ from CSM but can take ____ from SM to represent how they are a more modern army and the sorts.


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 Excessus wrote:

 Forcemajeure wrote:
Great... the "meat-tube" marines is here to stay. Notice how the first helbrute have thousand sons markings and colours? All current fluff right down the drain.
Probably need to finish my 1ksons quick.

Not quite.

#1: The Thousand Sons warbands have been recruiting after the heresy, just like all other legion warbands. It would be impossible to survive on rubrics alone. It might not be a TS marine in there at all...
#2: It's not the marine in the brute that has mutated. His remains are probably in there somewhere while the hull is mutating just as any other tank seem to be able to...


...and so on. I think your Thousand Sons are pretty safe...

To be fair KSons are very reliable. I've heard claims they are adding more into their ranks. Some say it might be sorcerer geneseed (sense purified) whilst others have claimed it might be just that they are getting geneseed of other chapters and adding them to their ranks as a way to protect them. The rubrics are capable of being revived and even some rumours of necromancy exist (reviving old dudes) it's really messy.

Still, it doesn't fit the KSon style lest the KSon models get mutations as well. Really it's more of an overseight probably to represent tzeentch with his most iconic style.


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Animus wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
What I did find amusing though was GW had said that designed the Chaos miniatures to look as though they were in the Warp for 10,000 years... except the Crimson Slaughter would have only been in the Warp for several hundred to a thousand years depending on when they turned (supposed to have been somewhere in the current millenium). I mean, the miniatures look cool and generic-y Chaos but I found it funny that in the Dark Vengeance article when it was released, Jervis talked about naming them and everything for that forging the narrative garbage and then they said how they wanted the figures to look corrupted, but chose a renegade chapter that was relatively new for the figures to represent instead of a Traitor Legion that would have actually been in the EoT for eons.

Time flows funny when the warp's involved, they could be millennia old.

Or they could be even less... or they could be far more than 10,000 years old. Darn you warp being nonsensical!

I want a show of hands; who was asking for a Crimson Slaughter codex? Anyone?
Now, who was asking for Legion rules?

 Musashi363 wrote:
I want a show of hands; who was asking for a Crimson Slaughter codex? Anyone?
Now, who was asking for Legion rules?

Exactly! Makes no sense to me.

 Musashi363 wrote:
I want a show of hands; who was asking for a Crimson Slaughter codex? Anyone?
Now, who was asking for Legion rules?

I have a great deal interest in anything legion specific.
I have ZERO interest in Crimson whoevers.

 Musashi363 wrote:
I want a show of hands; who was asking for a Crimson Slaughter codex? Anyone?
Now, who was asking for Legion rules?

My thoughts exactly.

It's like GW is going on great quests to find new and interesting ways to produce products nobody cares about, while missing what people have been clamoring for that would give them a license to print money.

WayneTheGame wrote:
Crimson Slaughter kinda look cool but seriously? What's with their obsession with newer renegades? I'd wager most Chaos players prefer the actual traitor legions not these newer renegades.

That fluff is lame though. Keep killing things to silence the voices of everything else you've murdered.

Also love the price increases just because with no reason. Oh GW will you ever learn?

FW is taking care of the Chaos Legions. In 40K, even the big legions are mainly collections of warbands than a unified whole.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
Crimson Slaughter kinda look cool but seriously? What's with their obsession with newer renegades? I'd wager most Chaos players prefer the actual traitor legions not these newer renegades.

That fluff is lame though. Keep killing things to silence the voices of everything else you've murdered.

Also love the price increases just because with no reason. Oh GW will you ever learn?

FW is taking care of the Chaos Legions. In 40K, even the big legions are mainly collections of warbands than a unified whole.

Says the fluff written to sell generic chaos marines.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
Crimson Slaughter kinda look cool but seriously? What's with their obsession with newer renegades? I'd wager most Chaos players prefer the actual traitor legions not these newer renegades.

That fluff is lame though. Keep killing things to silence the voices of everything else you've murdered.

Also love the price increases just because with no reason. Oh GW will you ever learn?

FW is taking care of the Chaos Legions. In 40K, even the big legions are mainly collections of warbands than a unified whole.

You mean like Space Marines that are loyalists? Oh right...

Anyways, sorry if that seemed rude. It's just, I don't get this logic. This isn't chaos. Word Bearers are still heavily unified, Thousand Sons still have a specific style, Iron Warriors still operate on basically chapter sized armadas. And look at the fluff. It is so often based on some legion that is a warband of only that legion be it alpha legion or some other legion. Along with that, why is it that SM chapters get chapter tactics then? Basically, SM are just all themed. Not every Ultramarine descendant shall have their rules. Finally, the FW is taking care of Chaos Legions is bs. Because they are also working on SM legions which basically are the founding chapters. Oh, and look at how much FW is working on all those SM chapter tactics.

"Chaos shouldn't have Legion rules" is the mantra of the people who either hate fun, or are afraid of losing.

All very nice and all, but when will pictures get released?

Also forget these baddies, when is the new ork release happening? If ever.

Found this and thought people would be interested.

Yay, new model for something nobody uses!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
Crimson Slaughter kinda look cool but seriously? What's with their obsession with newer renegades? I'd wager most Chaos players prefer the actual traitor legions not these newer renegades.

That fluff is lame though. Keep killing things to silence the voices of everything else you've murdered.

Also love the price increases just because with no reason. Oh GW will you ever learn?

FW is taking care of the Chaos Legions. In 40K, even the big legions are mainly collections of warbands than a unified whole.

We've been over this before, it's wrong on so many levels.

"Chaos shouldn't have Legion rules" is the mantra of the people who either hate fun, or are afraid of losing.

Or people who parrot the same over and over despite being wrong.

..Or they just hate chaos, which seems to be a thing.

 Excessus wrote:
Yay, new model for something nobody uses!

And a new Codex for something no one wanted. In a magazine no one wants to read.

Three for three!

*buzzer goes off* * confetti falls from the ceiling*

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
Crimson Slaughter kinda look cool but seriously? What's with their obsession with newer renegades? I'd wager most Chaos players prefer the actual traitor legions not these newer renegades.

That fluff is lame though. Keep killing things to silence the voices of everything else you've murdered.

Also love the price increases just because with no reason. Oh GW will you ever learn?

FW is taking care of the Chaos Legions. In 40K, even the big legions are mainly collections of warbands than a unified whole.

We've been over this before, it's wrong on so many levels.

"Chaos shouldn't have Legion rules" is the mantra of the people who either hate fun, or are afraid of losing.

Or people who parrot the same over and over despite being wrong.

..Or they just hate chaos, which seems to be a thing.

I think they just can't get over Iron Warriors and the Slaanesh Bomb (plays KSons. Continues to weep)

On a plus, I've heard a lot of rumors about a cultist box might be coming out. Honestly I'd be happy to see that. Whilst it is really not CSM CSM, I always was a sucker for cultists (then again I would love to play Lost and the Damned in earnest )

 l0k1 wrote:


Found this and thought people would be interested.

I don't reconize that plaguemarien in the bottom right. It doesn't look like any of the ones from the current kit or the Forgeworld conversion kit.