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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
You must roll for ranks, it seems.

You must or you can? That's what I'm trying to ask. Can I forgo rolling and just have all non-warlord knights to be default knights?

 Crimson wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
You must roll for ranks, it seems.

You must or you can? That's what I'm trying to ask. Can I forgo rolling and just have all non-warlord knights to be default knights?

On a High note you might get the (6) roll and have one bad mother

according to the quote from the OP, it uses the word MUST, but also has it in the section about using them as a primary detachment.

My conclusion from that is that you always get basic knights as allies, but if you take them as primary detachment, everyone but the warlord MUST roll for rank.

 BLADERIKER wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
You must roll for ranks, it seems.

You must or you can? That's what I'm trying to ask. Can I forgo rolling and just have all non-warlord knights to be default knights?

On a High note you might get the (6) roll and have one bad mother

Or, you roll for your Knights like I roll for my Terminator armor saves! "Three ones? Son of a..."

Does it actually refer to Knights as Titans anywhere in the book?

€33 for 2 units?
Right, I won't be getting a knight any time soon..

Well, this confirms my suspicions that this book is most definitely not worth my time or money.

Such a wasted opportunity and example of very poor and lazy rules writing. Random tables are not a substitute for proper design.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Does it actually refer to Knights as Titans anywhere in the book?

Not that I can find. Apparently they were all found buried before the emperor was around and just show up to do knight stuff.

niv-mizzet wrote:
according to the quote from the OP, it uses the word MUST, ....

"Players that want to include knights apparent or seneschals in their games ...

If you want to include ranked knights, you must roll on the table. Otherwise, not.

So, yeah, I see that getting a lot of use.



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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Except for the part allowing nids to take knights, since the author "forgot" to add in restrictions.

The White Dwarf article didn't allow Nids to take allied knights. It didn't allow anyone to take allied Knights. Or explain how to take Knights at all, in anything.

what houses does the fluff cover? and how much times does it spend on them?

given the Knight companion I'm admittingly slightly worried that "fluffophiles" won't nesscarily be too happy eaither

Worst. Codex. Ever.

Just to clarify; taking a Knight detachment does not use up your Allies slot? So you could take Imperial Guard with Space Marine Allies and 1-3 Knights as well?

 Blacksails wrote:
Well, this confirms my suspicions that this book is most definitely not worth my time or money.

Such a wasted opportunity and example of very poor and lazy rules writing. Random tables are not a substitute for proper design.

Oh but random tables worked so well in Rogue Trader...

They gave it a codex so no one could argue the validity of an army of Knights. The new expensive kit GW wants to sell lots of.

I am glad they did. I bought four.

However thin the codex is, they probably aren't getting another one for a long time yet, if ever (see Necrons and Sisters). That £25 should last you a while.

Nice of them to put the Super Heavy and D weapon rules in too. Saves me buying an Escalation book.

EDIT: Thank you Ravenous D for this post.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Just to clarify; taking a Knight detachment does not use up your Allies slot? So you could take Imperial Guard with Space Marine Allies and 1-3 Knights as well?

That's what I was thinking too. If that is possible it is just plain silly. Eldar/Dark Eldar Seer Council with Knights instead of Wave Serpents., HA!

 XT-1984 wrote:
They gave it a codex so no one could argue the validity of an army of Knights. The new expensive kit GW wants to sell lots of.

Which they could have sold just as many of if they had included 2 pages of rules in Codex: Imperial Guard.

 insaniak wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:
They gave it a codex so no one could argue the validity of an army of Knights. The new expensive kit GW wants to sell lots of.

Which they could have sold just as many of if they had included 2 pages of rules in Codex: Imperial Guard.

Or put the rules in the box

It's obviously a horrible money grab but the kit is far too tempting.

What's the fluff like?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Worst. Codex. Ever.

No this was.

At Least LotD was $20

 Ravenous D wrote:
4. Master of the Field: The Warlord up to D3 friendly knights have outflank

Great googly moogly... although I guess they move so fast they would be in your face by the time they'd show up from reserves anyway.

Brother Weasel wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:
They gave it a codex so no one could argue the validity of an army of Knights. The new expensive kit GW wants to sell lots of.

Which they could have sold just as many of if they had included 2 pages of rules in Codex: Imperial Guard.

Or put the rules in the box

And then people who dont play IG would be complaining that they will have to buy an $80+ codex just to play Knights which arent even part of the IG army......

 Medium of Death wrote:
It's obviously a horrible money grab but the kit is far too tempting.

What's the fluff like?

Goes into the method and rituals the pilot needs to use them, how they pre date the imperium and then repeat that a dozen times, goes into the houses, and blah blah blah pancakes.

Most of it makes them sound like a scarier PDF.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Seriously? You have to roll off to see what the knight's rank is?

That's terrible game design. They should have had each rank be purchasable, bound it to a FOC, and given each rank it's own stat line and load-out in the army list. .

It's breathtaking, isn't it? On a lucky roll of a 6, one of your 400 point units will suddenly gain a huge boost in effectiveness. Or you'll be unlucky and suffer a severe decrease in effectiveness - the difference in effectiveness between an Apparent and a Seneschal is massive. These should have been upgrade options, like the venerable upgrade for Dreadnoughts. To leave them to random chance like this is crazy.

Actually, I'm just puzzled in general at the lack of customization options. Other superheavies get lots of wargear choices, what's up with these?

Especially if you roll like gak.

If you rolled 2 or 3 ones you might as well not bother.

I actually thought they couldn't do worse than the Inquisitor codex which was mostly a copy & paste job at best, but GW continues to prove me wrong.

What is the fluff like? Is there a battle that the Knights lose?

 Madcat87 wrote:
I actually thought they couldn't do worse than the Inquisitor codex which was mostly a copy & paste job at best, but GW continues to prove me wrong.

I liked the rules for the actual inquisitors, but that's about it. Another example of a cool idea, executed poorly, and drastically overcharged for.

 insaniak wrote:

If you want to include ranked knights, you must roll on the table. Otherwise, not.

So, yeah, I see that getting a lot of use.

So if my friends force me to take one, I won't have to roll on the table.

That's a relief...

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
...So if my friends force me to take one, I won't have to roll on the table.

Sorry... what?


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Dono1979 wrote:
And then people who dont play IG would be complaining that they will have to buy an $80+ codex just to play Knights which arent even part of the IG army......

They need to buy a codex either way. This way they would at least get one with actual content.