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 calgar 2.5 wrote:
They are also Inquisition.

No they're not.

The Storm Troopers are a separate corps of troops independent of any Imperial body. They're not Guard, they're not Inquisition. They're Schola Progenium (and, I guess, Tempestus Whateverus now) units.

Kinda weird for GW to release an Ork vehicle during an IG month, but I like the idea that other armies might start getting stuff outside of their initial release. They haven't really done the "wave" releases for a while.

It would be rude of me not to send GW a thank you letter and some chocolate...

Upping the prices on your Stormtroopers and making the bang-bus was a very kind gesture.... I think they missed the bus on that vehicle

Well, on the bright side, the Tempes... no... the Storm Troopers look pretty ace. And the Codex... has a cover. I guess.


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OK, yeah, those stormtroopers are pretty sweet.

Big, buff, and brutal. It's like the best Arbite/Ork vehicle ever released. Not a Guard vehicle by any stretch of the imagination though.


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So I guess that other thing wasn't the IG Codex after all!

Nice that we're going to be abbreviating that AM, and having it not mean the real AM, though now this is the real AM, and the AM is probably going to be called something else now?

Ha!

 Alpharius wrote:
...and the AM is probably going to be called something else now?

You take that back!

Okay, bang bus has a friggin punisher cannon. I'm sold. Thats awesome.

Storm troopers are lookin good too, I want the one with the cloak pretty bad right now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well, on the bright side, the Tempes... no... the Storm Troopers look pretty ace. And the Codex... has a cover. I guess.

Thanks for the pics. The stormtroopers are going to be painted up as Skitarii for me. Hope they have a full set of those respirator heads.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Big, buff, and brutal. It's like the best Arbite/Ork vehicle ever released. Not a Guard vehicle by any stretch of the imagination though.

Actualy, weather the crap out of it and it looks like it would fit in quite well with DKoK.

As a Command Vehicle it kind of fits. It's pretty much just an armoured truck.

Seeing the clearer pic, I'm a fan.

The retracting ladder under the hatch is a nice touch... wonder if it can be built extended.


I am curious about the turret. Those look to be assault cannons rather than multi-lasers... GW took assault cannons away from guard in 3rd edition.

 azreal13 wrote:
It's meant to evoke connotations of bullishness (eg Taurus) and it kind of fits with the naming convention of IG vehicles being named for mythical creatures, apart from the Taurox is one of Gw's own creation I believe?

Still, fits with don't call anything something you can't claim ownership of we are seeing recently.

Well, remember that GW is trying to change the naming conventions to unique terms rather than generic terms - hence Astra Militarium instead of Imperial Guard, etc - so this was probably called the Taurus during initial development. Don't be surprised to see the Chimera quietly renamed to "Chimerax" at some point in the future... or the "Gryffynax" etc to make their appearances. Maybe the "Sentinal"?

HBMC I think you are confusing the fluff. The Schola Progenum only TRAINS the stormtroopers, just like how they train the Commissars. Its a school for pumping out elites. The elite leaders are Commissars, the elite figthers turn to stormtroopers.

Once they become trained as Storm Troopers, they are assigned their own super special regiment, and then they get sent off in small groups wherever they are needed. The Inquisition then decided they needed super-special soldiers and decided to recruit their own Storm Troopers from the Schola, and then give them special "don't be a heretic" training. (Sourced Imperial Guard Dex 5th edition, Daemonhunters dex 3rd edition

Mind, this is the current fluff as I understand it. They could very well be distorting/hurting/maiming the fluff right now to make us all wrong in some way or another. Its not like it hasn't happened before.

edited to source info

 Alpharius wrote:
So I guess that other thing wasn't the IG Codex after all!

Nice that we're going to be abbreviating that AM, and having it not mean the real AM, though now this is the real AM, and the AM is probably going to be called something else now?

Ha!

Alpha Marines? Alpharius the Mod? Are you trying to lay claim on the acronym?

So I had a thought: How annoyed are the folks at Fantasy Flight right now? If GW is retconning half of the IG backstory (which seems possible from the start of the not-Storm Troopers blurb), what happens to Only War (not to mention all the other source books that go into detail on Guard background). Do they get rewrites? Or does FFG just keep writing ignoring the new fluff?

 kir44n wrote:
HBMC I think you are confusing the fluff. The Schola Progenum only TRAINS the stormtroopers, just like how they train the Commissars. Its a school for pumping out elites. The elite leaders are Commissars, the elite figthers turn to stormtroopers.

Once they become trained as Storm Troopers, they are typically used by the Imperial Guard, but the Inquisition get their own allotment because, really, who tells an Inquisitor no when he says he wants the best he can get?

Yes but they're always attached to the Guard, or attached to an Inquisitor. There's no "Inquisitorial Storm Trooper" institution that recruits or has a central command or anything like that. They all come from the Progenium, and are farmed out to various units where required/requested.

 Laughing Man wrote:
So I had a thought: How annoyed are the folks at Fantasy Flight right now? If GW is retconning half of the IG backstory (which seems possible from the start of the not-Storm Troopers blurb), what happens to Only War (not to mention all the other source books that go into detail on Guard background). Do they get rewrites? Or does FFG just keep writing ignoring the new fluff?

That's what's been going through my head since the first whispers of "Astra" appeared on the horizon.

 Laughing Man wrote:
So I had a thought: How annoyed are the folks at Fantasy Flight right now? If GW is retconning half of the IG backstory (which seems possible from the start of the not-Storm Troopers blurb), what happens to Only War (not to mention all the other source books that go into detail on Guard background). Do they get rewrites? Or does FFG just keep writing ignoring the new fluff?

Such is the life of a licensed property. I don't think they're naive enough to think that what they write won't at least partially be ignored. They are also working on Star Wars and Disney has pretty much disavowed the EU from further development despite Lucasarts approving all the stuff written for it for the past few decades.

 warboss wrote:
Alpha Marines? Alpharius the Mod? Are you trying to lay claim on the acronym?

Adeptus Mechanicus.

That truck just gets better and better Nothing says "DISPERSE CITIZENS" like a gatling gun

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Big, buff, and brutal. It's like the best Arbite/Ork vehicle ever released. Not a Guard vehicle by any stretch of the imagination though.

I keep thinking

Squat Land Train.... Do eeeeet!

Get a dozen of these fethers, hook them together and convert up squat-guard to ride them

Why do you think it makes a great Arbite vehicle.

 Azazelx wrote:
Don't be surprised to see the Chimera quietly renamed to "Chimerax" at some point in the future...

'Chimerro' would make more sense, since that was just a regular Chimera with a HK missile on the turret. The 'Chimerax' was a very specific variant.

'Chimerax' does sound better than 'Chimerro' though

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Rough Riders are gone as of now from the US store.

That's great Kan. We know you have a giant hate-boner for anything you personally don't approve of, but stop picking on the Rough Riders. There are people out there who do like them, and who very much want to keep using them.

I have no strong feelings either way on the matter of rough riders (although I do welcome greater motivation to assemble and paint my superlative DFG kits...), but I think you have to look at the Rough Riders' continued existence in the same manner as the renaming: through the lens of greater IP protection.

Seriously now, if it is the case that what formerly known as Imperial Guard is going to be known as Astra Militarum and Tempestra Militarum (?)... yeah, that's because Imperial Guard, Storm Troopers and other such names are, well, very difficult to protect.

While guessing GW's motivation is only that, a guess, it's black letter law that Fanciful and Arbitrary marks are the easiest to obtain a trademark on (and safest to enforce).

By a similar token, "Rough Riders" are problematic: the term is irrevocably linked in American history with Teddy Roosevelt, and in an embodiment similar to what GW has been selling. That is, if any company were to decide to make futuristic or contemporary armed cavalry and called them Rough Riders or inspired by the Rough Riders... that's going to be really hard to stop in the US.

We may have come to the point in GW's corporate life where people liking or not liking a unit/models simply doesn't matter compared to their ability to firewall their IP.

We shall see.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yes but they're always attached to the Guard, or attached to an Inquisitor. There's no "Inquisitorial Storm Trooper" institution that recruits or has a central command or anything like that. They all come from the Progenium, and are farmed out to various units where required/requested.

The Stormtroopers are all trained at the Schola. The top few percent are inducted into Inquisitorial service and further trained, the rest attached to the Guard.

The new Imperial Guard Camaro!

Although if GW wants to release parts for a Chimerax, don't let any of us get in the way. Quad-AC's? Or even a Chimadon. That'd be interesting...

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
That truck just gets better and better Nothing says "DISPERSE CITIZENS" like a gatling gun

It says "Disperse, Customers! Nothing to see or buy here!" to me.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
The Stormtroopers are all trained at the Schola. The top few percent are inducted into Inquisitorial service and further trained, the rest attached to the Guard.

Yeah, but there's no such thing as the "Inquisitorial Storm Troopers". Like the idea of a centralised, codified and structured galaxy-wide "Planetary Defence Force", such a thing does not exist. There are Storm Troopers that get attached to the Inquisition, but there is no "Inquisitorial Storm Trooper" institution.

Still don't like the vehicle.

Codex cover is cool.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
By a similar token, "Rough Riders" are problematic: the term is irrevocably linked in American history with Teddy Roosevelt, and in an embodiment similar to what GW has been selling. That is, if any company were to decide to make futuristic or contemporary armed cavalry and called them Rough Riders or inspired by the Rough Riders... that's going to be really hard to stop in the US.

Easy fixed by renaming them as Militarum Equus. Or Militarum Celerus, which would fit better with the names they've chosen so far being a little bit lame and not actually making sense...

On consideration, shifting them onto something other than horses would also make sense, as that would be more distinctive. Cold Ones would be an easy, cheap (for GW) solution, and would look cool. Or some sort of cat.


Although going by recent trends, I wouldn't be surprised if they wind up on Griffons instead.

 NoseGoblin wrote:
It would be rude of me not to send GW a thank you letter and some chocolate...

Upping the prices on your Stormtroopers and making the bang-bus was a very kind gesture.... I think they missed the bus on that vehicle

I've got to day, GW giving an option of a full carapace armored army? Oh, happy day, they read my mind and generously made an army that fits my many Eisenkern to a tee.