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Ragnar69 wrote:
I noticed that the Taurox is a dual kit: Tempestus Taurox Prime/ Adeptus Militarum Taurox. So all the bling (and the weapon maybe) probably makes it a Prime and the standard one will look more pseudo-utitilarian.
Edit: still fugly

Good point. I think generally there are a lot of unanswered questions round these parts, which I hope will be cleared up when we get some more pics (eg, helmets for the Stormtroopers). Hadn't considered that about the Taurox though. I bet you're right.

Anyone else noticed that the name for that command squad suggests that they're NOT imperial guard? We're all going crazy about the new stormies, but they might not even be stormies...

Well, they've got the same basic aesthetic and equipment as Stormtroopers, and we know GW are changing the names of things to make them more easily trademarkable/copyrightable/whatever, so yeah, we're pretty sure that is what's happening here

Well no matter what GW decide to call them, I'm still going with "Imperial Guard" and "Stormtroopers" just so I don't have to speak Latin to let people know what army I'm playing.

I could also get over the hideousness of that transport as long as the weapon on top is a twin-linked punisher cannon.

I think that these militarum tempestus are seperate from guard. There are similarities between them and arbites, and the truck says militarum tempestus (not astra militorum) next to the name. The ogres have riot shields, and a 72 page codex would need a handful of units to justify. The cut of blurb also makes me think...

"Cold hearted killers....operate outside..." of the guard?

It might be a freelance ally force....


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The minis might have dual usage, I.e. stormies for guard or arbites or freelance troops, etc....

The rumours said that this Militarum Tempestus supplement for Astra Militarum was a Stormie supplement, so I guess Militarum Tempestus is just fancy gothica way of saying Storm Trooper now, and that in the supplement you can have Stormie command squad, as well as specifically this Taurox Prime. Reason one model the dual kit makes is labelled Militarum Tempestus prefix, other is Astra Militarum?

The really stupid thing about Guard/Stormtroopers getting an MRAP, though, is that MRAPs are awful combat vehicles. They're good at one thing: Preserving the lives of soldiers inside when the vehicle is hit by a mine. Their mobility, armament, defenses, and transport capacity for a vehicle of their size is just plain bad. Would the Imperium try that hard to preserve the lives of its soldiers? (That's a rhetorical question).

The only reason the MRAPs exist is because various militaries for the past few decades have had to drive on roads that have mines planted on them. Those mines are planted because there's a hostile portion of a local populace that keeps putting them there. I'm pretty sure the Imperium's solution is to "remove all local populace". The Guard doesn't do small wars.

Not that anything in 40k makes sense anyway...

 krazynadechukr wrote:
I think that these militarum tempestus are seperate from guard. There are similarities between them and arbites, and the truck says militarum tempestus (not astra militorum) next to the name. The ogres have riot shields, and a 72 page codex would need a handful of units to justify. The cut of blurb also makes me think...

The truck says "Militarum Tempestus Taurox Prime/Astra Militarum Taurox". It is two distinct vehicles, not necessarily "separate from the Guard". Look at how the Valkyrie is considered, it's an Imperial Navy vehicle operated by Navy personnel and distinctively a "Navy" bit...but then its pilots report to the Guard officers in command of the regiment and the Valkyrie is painted in the regimental livery.

Ogres having huge slabs of metal as shields does not equate to "riot shields" or "Arbites" though.

"Cold hearted killers....operate outside..." of the guard?

It might be a freelance ally force....

Or it could be a revamp of the current Stormtrooper fluff?

Read the current fluff on them. Stormtroopers are "ruthless, proficient killers" who essentially are an outside force, part of the Imperial Guard but not. They answer to the Guard command planetside but are not part of the regiment that they might be fighting with.

Biophysical wrote:
The really stupid thing about Guard/Stormtroopers getting an MRAP, though, is that MRAPs are awful combat vehicles. They're good at one thing: Preserving the lives of soldiers inside when the vehicle is hit by a mine. Their mobility, armament, defenses, and transport capacity for a vehicle of their size is just plain bad. Would the Imperium try that hard to preserve the lives of its soldiers? (That's a rhetorical question).

If they are stormtroopers, yes.

IIRC, Stormtroopers are considerably more valuable assets than your average guardsman, due to their equipment, training, and relatively low recruitment rates.

They are sent on dangerous missions, but that does not mean their lives are considered to be cheap.

Where are these pictures of the Ogryns carrying riot shields? I believe I missed those.

I'm quite horrified by these new models. How exactly is this artistically consistent with the rest of Imperial Guard range?

The vehicle doesn't make any sense and looks like something out of a toy-shop, just with a good paintjob - way to go for something that costs 30 pounds. I'd expect a higher standard from a company that thinks of itself as selling luxury goods

I'd expect a more "grimdark" approach to the stormtroopers rather than just slapping a beret and a screaming face on every model. I'm afraid these models won't go well with most of IG regiments, Elysians and Catachans being possible exceptions.

GW should just return to porting time-proven metal and/or Forge World miniatures. In this very wave, we could have plastic Kasrkin and a Tauros/Venator. Instead we get armored Catachans and an ugliest vehicle in range.

And on top of this all, we get one of the main armies renamed to a cheesy latin name, and yet another ripoff Codex Supplement in the "Day One DLC" style. How many of these supplements are out there now, anyway? And does anyone actually care about them?

So happy my guard army is 100% fw models....

Once again:

The Stormtroopers have alternate heads. The berets are not the only option. There are helmeted heads on the box, shown on page 1.

Honestly I like the new Stormtroopers, Tempestii, Scions, Whatevers. I always found the 'Army dudes in spaaaace!' style quite dull and not entirely in the 40k aesthetic. What IG I own have been converted with Bretonnian and Empire bits to make them a little more interesting. I understand people being frustrated if they're forced into it though, especially if they discontinue the old models.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Once again:

The Stormtroopers have alternate heads. The berets are not the only option. There are helmeted heads on the box, shown on page 1.

I don't what people are fussed about

Berets are the single coolest piece of military headwear ever invented

I bet the scion kit is going to have a lot of opportunities to kitbash with other kits. meaning that the parts could be spread to maybe 10 models, as with almost any kit that has been coming out from GW.

 ergotoxin wrote:
I'm quite horrified by these new models. How exactly is this artistically consistent with the rest of Imperial Guard range?

I'd expect a more "grimdark" approach to the stormtroopers rather than just slapping a beret and a screaming face on every model. I'm afraid these models won't go well with most of IG regiments, Elysians and Catachans being possible exceptions.

GW should just return to porting time-proven metal and/or Forge World miniatures. In this very wave, we could have plastic Kasrkin and a Tauros/Venator. Instead we get armored Catachans and an ugliest vehicle in range.

And on top of this all, we get one of the main armies renamed to a cheesy latin name, and yet another ripoff Codex Supplement in the "Day One DLC" style. How many of these supplements are out there now, anyway? And does anyone actually care about them?

I've always been happy with Storm Troopers not going well with most IG regiments from the initial 2nd Ed beret wearers to the 3rd Ed models. They are equipped in a way that standard IG are not because they are not standard IG.

The Kasrkin/Storm Trooper models fitted in with the IG range (well, plastic Cadians) because they are Cadians.

As for the supplement, you may only need it if you want to play a Storm Trooper/ Tempestus/Scion * only army. Plus I'm sure if the supplemets were not selling, they probably would have stopped by now. Their continued existence proves that someone is buying them.

I haven't bought one to date but if they bring out Codex Praetorian Equss Gee-up-icus, there could be one guaranteed sale.



* delete as required once someone has actually read the book.

 ergotoxin wrote:
I'm quite horrified by these new models. How exactly is this artistically consistent with the rest of Imperial Guard range?

The vehicle doesn't make any sense and looks like something out of a toy-shop, just with a good paintjob - way to go for something that costs 30 pounds. I'd expect a higher standard from a company that thinks of itself as selling luxury goods

I'd expect a more "grimdark" approach to the stormtroopers rather than just slapping a beret and a screaming face on every model. I'm afraid these models won't go well with most of IG regiments, Elysians and Catachans being possible exceptions.

GW should just return to porting time-proven metal and/or Forge World miniatures. In this very wave, we could have plastic Kasrkin and a Tauros/Venator. Instead we get armored Catachans and an ugliest vehicle in range.

And on top of this all, we get one of the main armies renamed to a cheesy latin name, and yet another ripoff Codex Supplement in the "Day One DLC" style. How many of these supplements are out there now, anyway? And does anyone actually care about them?

Storm. Troopers. Are. Not. Imperial. Guard.

Noone seems to understand this.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:
I'm quite horrified by these new models. How exactly is this artistically consistent with the rest of Imperial Guard range?

The vehicle doesn't make any sense and looks like something out of a toy-shop, just with a good paintjob - way to go for something that costs 30 pounds. I'd expect a higher standard from a company that thinks of itself as selling luxury goods

I'd expect a more "grimdark" approach to the stormtroopers rather than just slapping a beret and a screaming face on every model. I'm afraid these models won't go well with most of IG regiments, Elysians and Catachans being possible exceptions.

GW should just return to porting time-proven metal and/or Forge World miniatures. In this very wave, we could have plastic Kasrkin and a Tauros/Venator. Instead we get armored Catachans and an ugliest vehicle in range.

And on top of this all, we get one of the main armies renamed to a cheesy latin name, and yet another ripoff Codex Supplement in the "Day One DLC" style. How many of these supplements are out there now, anyway? And does anyone actually care about them?

Storm. Troopers. Are. Not. Imperial. Guard.

Noone seems to understand this.

Yeah. They are actually part of the Schola, iirc.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:
I'm quite horrified by these new models. How exactly is this artistically consistent with the rest of Imperial Guard range?

The vehicle doesn't make any sense and looks like something out of a toy-shop, just with a good paintjob - way to go for something that costs 30 pounds. I'd expect a higher standard from a company that thinks of itself as selling luxury goods

I'd expect a more "grimdark" approach to the stormtroopers rather than just slapping a beret and a screaming face on every model. I'm afraid these models won't go well with most of IG regiments, Elysians and Catachans being possible exceptions.

GW should just return to porting time-proven metal and/or Forge World miniatures. In this very wave, we could have plastic Kasrkin and a Tauros/Venator. Instead we get armored Catachans and an ugliest vehicle in range.

And on top of this all, we get one of the main armies renamed to a cheesy latin name, and yet another ripoff Codex Supplement in the "Day One DLC" style. How many of these supplements are out there now, anyway? And does anyone actually care about them?

Storm. Troopers. Are. Not. Imperial. Guard.

Noone seems to understand this.

Yeah. They are actually part of the Schola, iirc.

Yep. If they should "fit" with any army style, it'd be the Sisters of Battle.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Once again:

The Stormtroopers have alternate heads. The berets are not the only option. There are helmeted heads on the box, shown on page 1.

I don't what people are fussed about

Berets are the single coolest piece of military headwear ever invented

Not when you've had to show 60 recruits how to shape one from scratch every couple of weeks.

 ergotoxin wrote:
GW should just return to porting time-proven metal and/or Forge World miniatures. In this very wave, we could have plastic Kasrkin and a Tauros/Venator. Instead we get armored Catachans and an ugliest vehicle in range.

And the Tauros is only £4 more than this thing, so I know what I'll be getting.

And on top of this all, we get one of the main armies renamed to a cheesy latin name, and yet another ripoff Codex Supplement in the "Day One DLC" style. How many of these supplements are out there now, anyway? And does anyone actually care about them?

Yeah I've never understood the Day One DLC thing, especially in books; if it's available to release at the same time then it would have been available to include in the main one. Instead it just looks like a cynical attempt to split the same content over 2 books and double the price. The regular codex is grossly overpriced at £30, and the supplement will make it even worse.

Thankfully, I got rid of all of my Storm Troopers.

Apparently Mantic guys did a very shortly lived facebook-blip about modifying their Mars Attacks truck with Forge Father Thudd Gun tracks and putting it on sale - pulled it down rather quickly, though

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:
I'm quite horrified by these new models. How exactly is this artistically consistent with the rest of Imperial Guard range?

The vehicle doesn't make any sense and looks like something out of a toy-shop, just with a good paintjob - way to go for something that costs 30 pounds. I'd expect a higher standard from a company that thinks of itself as selling luxury goods

I'd expect a more "grimdark" approach to the stormtroopers rather than just slapping a beret and a screaming face on every model. I'm afraid these models won't go well with most of IG regiments, Elysians and Catachans being possible exceptions.

GW should just return to porting time-proven metal and/or Forge World miniatures. In this very wave, we could have plastic Kasrkin and a Tauros/Venator. Instead we get armored Catachans and an ugliest vehicle in range.

And on top of this all, we get one of the main armies renamed to a cheesy latin name, and yet another ripoff Codex Supplement in the "Day One DLC" style. How many of these supplements are out there now, anyway? And does anyone actually care about them?

Storm. Troopers. Are. Not. Imperial. Guard.

Noone seems to understand this.

Yeah. They are actually part of the Schola, iirc.

Yep. If they should "fit" with any army style, it'd be the Sisters of Battle.

Indeed. They are all from the same school after all.
If one were to write an typical anime high-school setting based in the Wh40k universe, it would be set at the Schola Progenium.

It would also be most heretical.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

Storm. Troopers. Are. Not. Imperial. Guard.

Noone seems to understand this.

Here's where the problem comes from, I think.

Stormtroopers are not the only "Stormtroopers". You have some localized variants which are similar to Stormtroopers in the function, application, and equipment. The Cadian Kasrkin and the Death Korps Grenadiers are the two most notable examples with actual models.

I think it's become so ingrained for people now that the Kasrkin are "Stormtroopers" because of players using the models that they think "Well, the Stormtroopers in metal match the plastics so why don't these?" and that these new "Stormtroopers" in plastic are not a return to the previous(and technically current!) metal gas masked Stormtroopers but rather some abhorrent monstrosity cooked up to eat your dingos, steal your babies, and touch your wallet in the naughty place.

Public Service Announcement though:
Kasrkin are still on the GW US website. They're available in the 10 man box(which includes the Sergeant, Flamer, and GL models) and a blister with Melta/Plasma Guns. They are listed as "Shipping within 24 hours".

The old metal gas mask Stormtroopers are also still available. They are available in a 5 man box(Sergeant with Power Sword/Laspistol, 4 Hellgun armed Stormtroopers) for $19.75, a blister of Grenade Launcher and Flamethrower, and a blister of Melta/Plasma Gun, and a 4 man box of the Hellgun armed Stormtroopers for $17.25 that is kind of "hidden" from view.
There is also an alternative Sergeant wearing a gas mask with a bolter strapped across his chest, a plasma pistol in one hand and auspex in the other.
All the sets, barring the 4 man Stormtrooper set, are shipping within 24 hours. The 4 Stormtrooper Hellgun bonanza ships within four weeks.

Herzlos wrote:

And on top of this all, we get one of the main armies renamed to a cheesy latin name, and yet another ripoff Codex Supplement in the "Day One DLC" style. How many of these supplements are out there now, anyway? And does anyone actually care about them?

Yeah I've never understood the Day One DLC thing, especially in books; if it's available to release at the same time then it would have been available to include in the main one. Instead it just looks like a cynical attempt to split the same content over 2 books and double the price. The regular codex is grossly overpriced at £30, and the supplement will make it even worse.

Thankfully, I got rid of all of my Storm Troopers.

We don't know that Stormtroopers have been cut out of the main book to just give them a supplemental army or any such nonsense. We just know that the book comes out April 5th, with preorders going up on March 29th.

GW does seem to actually be finessing the supplement idea since the early group of books that they did(Farsight Enclaves, Iyanden, Black Legion, Sentinels of Terra, and Clan Raaukan).
Crimson Slaughter has a physical release at the same time as the digital release, and Imperial Knights had the same. Previously it was physical release ~2-4 months after the digital release.

Good call on the vehicle based on an MRAP:

Still, as pointed out: not really a fighting machine, more one focused on survival of running over a mine.
Found this picture too, remove the combine looking cockpit and it could be a ringer:

These would have been fine:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:

Storm. Troopers. Are. Not. Imperial. Guard.

Noone seems to understand this.

Here's where the problem comes from, I think.

Stormtroopers are not the only "Stormtroopers". You have some localized variants which are similar to Stormtroopers in the function, application, and equipment. The Cadian Kasrkin and the Death Korps Grenadiers are the two most notable examples with actual models.

I think it's become so ingrained for people now that the Kasrkin are "Stormtroopers" because of players using the models that they think "Well, the Stormtroopers in metal match the plastics so why don't these?" and that these new "Stormtroopers" in plastic are not a return to the previous(and technically current!) metal gas masked Stormtroopers but rather some abhorrent monstrosity cooked up to eat your dingos, steal your babies, and touch your wallet in the naughty place.

.

I always thought that the 3rd Ed Storm Troopers were kept on sale for those who did not want to use the Kasrkin models as Storm Troopers.

Indeed they were, but also for the Daemonhunters/Witchhunters before they went away as Codices.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Indeed they were, but also for the Daemonhunters/Witchhunters before they went away as Codices.

Weren't the karskins a better deal than the generic troopers as well? IIRC, it cost less to build a karskin squad than a gasmask squad.

Here's an idea what it might look like with a more traditional colour scheme. Imagine the lion stuff is not there as well

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7334/13063004994_13ed0341d0_z.jpg



Should work now

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Indeed they were, but also for the Daemonhunters/Witchhunters before they went away as Codices.

Weren't the karskins a better deal than the generic troopers as well? IIRC, it cost less to build a karskin squad than a gasmask squad.

I believe so. They used to only offer the GMS in blister formats.

You could get:
3 Hellgun armed Stormtroopers(there are 4 possibles, and you would get 3 randoms in this) blister
Grenade Launcher and Flamer
Meltagun and Plasmagun
Veteran Sergeant with Power Sword/Hellpistol
Veteran Sergeant with Auspex, Bolter, Plasma Pistol.

Kasrkin were sold in blisters and the boxed set format. You could get:
Box with 10 Kasrkin(7 Hellguns, Flamer, Grenade Launcher, and Veteran Sergeant). There are 4 poses of Hellgun armed Kasrkin, and you would get 2 "Leaning, running", 2 "Hipfire", 2 "Shouldered, firing", and 1 "Recoiling" in each box.
Blister of Flamer/Grenade Launcher
Blister of Meltagun and Plasmagun
Veteran Sergeant with Power Sabre and Hellpistol
Blister of 3 Kasrkin with Hellguns

When the new IG codex hit, the Flamer/GL blister, Veteran Sergeant blister, and Hellgun blisters went away. That was annoying/beneficial for me though...had gotten three boxes of Kasrkin when the new book came out and they didn't include flamers/GLs. Since they discontinued the blisters and they weren't "splitting boxes" anymore--they just sent me 3 blisters of Meltaguns/Plasmaguns.