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I was kind of hoping for a new tank or at least make a kit for the thunderer/ tank hunter destroyer does look likely now

I for one would like to use Ogryns, very much in fact, assuming the rules for them are worthwhile. However, they just don't fit into my I.G. thematically. The same is true of Ratlings as well.

I can almost see the Bullgryns working in my Vostroyan list though. The shields kind of work for me, and the general feel is a bit better all told. I'd like to see the kits first hand before I pass judgement on them. We'll see what the codex has in store.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

 Kroothawk wrote:
I am not a fan of Imperial aesthetics at all, but the Ogryns look okay, not much better or worse than older versions.


Seems to be 3 in a box, either build as Ogryns or armoured Bullgryns. Bane pic confirms the new name.[/img]

In my opinion the best Ogryn were the ones by Bob Olley, way back when - from an image that is already on Dakka -


The Auld Grump

Well if everyone loves the Bob Olley look then the Ogryns are currently available from Max Mini...



Though I personally am planning to give one some horns and make him a ShadowRun troll.

Ive got 6 of Bob Olleys old gw Ogryns. If I want more then I'd definitely use those.

Not sure how I feel about the new Ogryns. I think some of them look better aesthetically than the previous models but I'm very curious as to how they will play however. Unless they are drastically buffed from their current rules, I think they will continue to be shelved. Everyone keeps bringing up the possibility of the riot shields providing cover to units behind them. I don't see that being very beneficial for a army where 95% of the time players will already be using a aegis defense line in any competitive scene.

Then again, if these were to provide all the bonuses associated with the aegis defense line at a almost the same cost I could definitely see these being used in a competitive sense.

Commissar Benny wrote:
Not sure how I feel about the new Ogryns. I think some of them look better aesthetically than the previous models but I'm very curious as to how they will play however. Unless they are drastically buffed from their current rules, I think they will continue to be shelved. Everyone keeps bringing up the possibility of the riot shields providing cover to units behind them. I don't see that being very beneficial for a army where 95% of the time players will already be using a aegis defense line in any competitive scene.

Then again, if these were to provide all the bonuses associated with the aegis defense line at a almost the same cost I could definitely see these being used in a competitive sense.

The main benefit would be that assault armies would have to get through a line of Ogryns before attacking your squishy guardsmen.

I think I will continue to use thallax cohorts for my ogryns probably cheaper than the gw ones as well lol

 Sir Bubbles wrote:
It looks as though it actually went down a production line at one point, but that makes me wonder why they would slap a tank tread on to it and not just more armor?

Maybe in a previous engagement he took a battle cannon round to the love spuds and decided he was going to take steps to ensure it didn't happen again?

Tank thread armour = Field repairs. Can't people see that the chestplate is damaged?

Daston wrote:
I think I will continue to use thallax cohorts for my ogryns probably cheaper than the gw ones as well lol

This is a great idea. I kind of like the new Ogryns, but nowhere near as much as I like the Thallax.


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 Forcemajeure wrote:
Tank thread armour = Field repairs. Can't people see that the chestplate is damaged?

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If you look at the color scheme, it sure doesn't look like a field expedient repair to me, it looks like it's incorporated into the way it is manufactured.

The Commissar puppet is the best thing ever.

Hydra is okay, it's not like they could have done anything particularly exciting with the concept.

I dislike Ogryns in IG, simply the abhumants doesnt fit into my IG view...but despite this, I really like the new models. They are right...ogrynish

So they took juggernauts from CoD:MW and made Ogryn versions and then took a MRAP and replaced the wheels with treads.

Not the most original release. I think a sci-fi MRAP would have been cool without the gimmicky treads.

I've never liked Ogryns and while I still don't like these ones, they're still much better than anything from the past.

The Storm Troops and Scions look ace. Loving the beret, gas mask look.

The Hydra is a definite win.

The Taurox as it is looks terrible, however if you switch the tracks with some wheels from an Ork truck, carve off the Gothic insignias, add some antennas to the top, re-model or replace the minigun to make it look like a modern US or AUS style military truck and then fill in that god awful hood. Then paint it to match the Guard Tanks and I think it will come out alright.

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If you look at the color scheme, it sure doesn't look like a field expedient repair to me, it looks like it's incorporated into the way it is manufactured.

As a few have said the Ogryns are let don by a rather iffy and garish paintjob. Suitably dirtied up these will look (literally) smashing.

I ran Ogryns quite a few times under the old codex and never once found them to be anything but useful, expensive but useful.

I have a horrible feeling that GW will keep the points the same for basic Ogs and have a more expensive upgraded Bull option. I hope this isn't the case but we will see on that.

Its a bit redundant but I'll chime in and say the Blingmobile is very poorly executed. The basis looks okay, but the tracks and the OTT detailing really detract from a decent hull. Again I hope that there is an option to have wheels. The driver for the popularity for this model will be the rules I guess (or 3rd party input...?).

The Scions/Storm Troopers look nice. I note the WD page shows a Command box of 5 models, the current regiment ranges also have a troops box of 10. I would make sense if they followed this format to enable another regiment range while ticking the Storm Trooper box....?

Anyway general comment; 2 much needed plastic infantry boxes good - not needed trackmobile bad.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I must be one of the few who likes the new Ogryn. I think the current ones are terrible, and that these are a major improvement.

Me too. I have never bought a single ogryn over the years simply because I don't like the base concept, and I won't be using these ones either - my imperial guard are a detachment from my homebrew space marine chapters homeworld and ogryns would make no sense- but they are better than the last couple of attempts at ogryns.

As an aside, GW's painting is really nowhere near what it used to be, even with the knights I found them far too clinical and exact, ancient war machines in constant battle do not look factory fresh. Neither do Ogryns, I think once hobbyists get there hands on these things people will see them a bit differently.

The hydra looks nice, I have an open topped scout truck based on a chimera chassis in my collection, it was a forgeworld conversion, I forget its name, but I bought it from them when I got a baneblade and they havent made that for donkeys years, so it was a while ago, but I can see a plastic version of that that being part of a duel kit with the hydra, the back looks very similar.

While I understand that the new models are something solid that can be discussed with a lot of certainty to their release, I find this here interesting:

http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/12/imperial-guard-rumors-2014.html

Look at the other things that are rumoured to come here.
Just to pick the highlights (from my point of view):

- Doctrines
- New tank based on the Malcador STC
- Another Knight
- Another fighter-type aircraft
- Plastic Steel Legion and Mordians

I wonder how no-one even seems to care about this or did I jump the relevant pages somehow? If even half of this is true, there will be lots of love for the IG to come. I hope Orks get at least half the amount of new models as rumoured for IG.

Oh dear god. That first Orgyn is straight out of the Goonies. Hay you Guys indeed.

I'm sticking with my old metals.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I must be one of the few who likes the new Ogryn. I think the current ones are terrible, and that these are a major improvement.

I concur if these Ogryns had been out when I started it would have been IG instead of DA

 Ouze wrote:

Daston wrote:
I think I will continue to use thallax cohorts for my ogryns probably cheaper than the gw ones as well lol

This is a great idea. I kind of like the new Ogryns, but nowhere near as much as I like the Thallax.


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 Forcemajeure wrote:
Tank thread armour = Field repairs. Can't people see that the chestplate is damaged?

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If you look at the color scheme, it sure doesn't look like a field expedient repair to me, it looks like it's incorporated into the way it is manufactured.

Tank treads simply happened to have similar dimensions to the original armor plates, and fortunatley tank treads exists in abundance, purely logistics wise its better to transport more tank treads thta just about any vehcile and ogryns can use.

And in worst case Ogryns always carry spare tread bits around.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 SRSFACE wrote:
Crisis teams are $65, but these guys look like they have more options. I'm guessing it'll be about $68 bucks. I'm hopeful it won't be much more than that.

Hive Guard have about the same size and less options, a box of 3 costs 70$.
So I expect a box of 3 Ogryns for 70$ as well. Double the Scions for double the size.
Would also make them more expensive than 3 metal Ogryns.

I think it's a pretty safe bet they'll cost at least as much as the metal Ogryns.

 Kosake wrote:
While I understand that the new models are something solid that can be discussed with a lot of certainty to their release, I find this here interesting:

http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/12/imperial-guard-rumors-2014.html

Look at the other things that are rumoured to come here.
Just to pick the highlights (from my point of view):

- Doctrines
- New tank based on the Malcador STC
- Another Knight
- Another fighter-type aircraft
- Plastic Steel Legion and Mordians

I wonder how no-one even seems to care about this or did I jump the relevant pages somehow? If even half of this is true, there will be lots of love for the IG to come. I hope Orks get at least half the amount of new models as rumoured for IG.

I personally don't believe GW would release so many new models for IG.

 Kosake wrote:
While I understand that the new models are something solid that can be discussed with a lot of certainty to their release, I find this here interesting:

http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/12/imperial-guard-rumors-2014.html

Look at the other things that are rumoured to come here.
Just to pick the highlights (from my point of view):

- Doctrines
- New tank based on the Malcador STC
- Another Knight
- Another fighter-type aircraft
- Plastic Steel Legion and Mordians

I wonder how no-one even seems to care about this or did I jump the relevant pages somehow? If even half of this is true, there will be lots of love for the IG to come. I hope Orks get at least half the amount of new models as rumoured for IG.

These sort of releases aren't impossible. It has been commented in the past that GW were too tied to releasing models only with a new Codex, resulting in gaps of years before your army got something new.

The Helbrute has been released along with a supplemental Codex so you could assume that further IG releases could come at anytime if tied to a supplement

Herzlos wrote:
Oh dear god. That first Orgyn is straight out of the Goonies. Hay you Guys indeed.

I'm sticking with my old metals.

This made me laugh, thank you. If I get that model I will now call him Sloth

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I must be one of the few who likes the new Ogryn. I think the current ones are terrible, and that these are a major improvement.

I quite like the new Ogryn models as well. I feel the paint job does not do the models justice.

As long as their rules arn't bad, I think I will get some of these.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
So, what are the odds that the new Ogryns are going be a really expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit that no one's going to use because it's an expensive, slow "elite"-sized assault unit?

Yeah, if only they had a way to move faster...like an armored vehicle of some kind...

That wasn't composed of ass.....way over priced.....and probably not great rules wise.....

Way Overpriced? It's 29 pounds. That's about average. In fact, that's 2 pounds less than the ghost ark.

We still don't know what size it is. I'm willing to bet it's significantly smaller than a Chimera.

I'm pretty pumped about the new tank kit. You can call it ugly all you want but it looks like the up-armored darlings sitting on my FOB right now that roll through Hell and high water with no problem.

I'm pretty sure the wheeled conversion kit for the Chimera from CHS would work really well with this too, for those that aren't a fan of the treads. (I'm not)

alphaecho wrote:

These sort of releases aren't impossible. It has been commented in the past that GW were too tied to releasing models only with a new Codex, resulting in gaps of years before your army got something new.

The Helbrute has been released along with a supplemental Codex so you could assume that further IG releases could come at anytime if tied to a supplement

Yeah, right, that's the other thing bugging me. It states that the new dex will get the doctrines for Catachans and Cadians. So now, they will charge 35€ extra for each, vostoyans, valhallans, steel legion, mordians,...
If you believe that plastic steel legion and mordians are indeed next in line, I guess that's where the new units will slowly drip in. Quite devious, if you think about it. Lets say that the rules for the new flyer or tank comes with one of the supplements. Even if it states that the unit can be taken as heavy support or whatever for any guards, technically you still have to get the supplement (from GW point of view, at least).

The ogryns, are interesting. I'm reserving judgement until I see the sprues, theres no way I'd assemble them 'as is' for my Praetorians anyway, but i want to know how easy it'll be to convert them.

 punkisntdeadyet wrote:
In terms of making an IG truck, I was always impressed with Dave Taylor's conversions for trucks.



Not a huge fan of the Taurox, but it may get cooler with other pictures? Or not...

leaf spring bogie looks nice! what will Dave Taylor makes next? the Vickers 6-Ton Mark E tank with Leman Russ capability?