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The two 'grunt' Ogryn's look especially HEYY YOU GUYYYYS!

Everything else looks decent, imfo. Except that transport.

I really like the palettes they've used though.

Re that transport, people further up-thread were discussing whether Ogryn's could use it. I think the door looks dual-usage, with a larger door containing a smaller inner door.

Apologies if this has been pointed out - it's 40-odd pages ffs!

I might just be tempted to pick up some IG...

 Kosake wrote:

alphaecho wrote:

These sort of releases aren't impossible. It has been commented in the past that GW were too tied to releasing models only with a new Codex, resulting in gaps of years before your army got something new.

The Helbrute has been released along with a supplemental Codex so you could assume that further IG releases could come at anytime if tied to a supplement

Yeah, right, that's the other thing bugging me. It states that the new dex will get the doctrines for Catachans and Cadians. So now, they will charge 35€ extra for each, vostoyans, valhallans, steel legion, mordians,...
If you believe that plastic steel legion and mordians are indeed next in line, I guess that's where the new units will slowly drip in. Quite devious, if you think about it. Lets say that the rules for the new flyer or tank comes with one of the supplements. Even if it states that the unit can be taken as heavy support or whatever for any guards, technically you still have to get the supplement (from GW point of view, at least).

Yeah, most of my IG are valhallans, so will i be able to play the vanilia IG codex? Or when my regiment drops am i forced to play it?

As ever, if the supplement has some rules you want to use, you'll need to buy it to use those rules in an official setting. If it doesn't, what's stopping you from using your valhallan models with the vanilla IG book? Nothing, from what I can tell.

 tau tse tung wrote:


Yeah, most of my IG are valhallans, so will i be able to play the vanilia IG codex? Or when my regiment drops am i forced to play it?

I don't think it'd be any different than matching Space Marine rules to the color they're painted. It'll come down to who you play with really.

 Bull0 wrote:
As ever, if the supplement has some rules you want to use, you'll need to buy it to use those rules in an official setting. If it doesn't, what's stopping you from using your valhallan models with the vanilla IG book? Nothing, from what I can tell.

Sure, IG regiments wont be unplayable in the sense of squats, but to buy a supplement for a single unit you should technically be able to field with just the codex would suck hard.

Yeah, if we're talking about say, removing Chenkov and Conscripts from the generic codex and putting them in a £30 book, that would be pretty lame, and I wouldn't buy it.

All speculation, of course.

I'm speaking about the rumored new flyer or tank.

Say the IG codex comes in April-May (without the tank) and in June we get the Mordian-supplement with the tank inside and the notion that it can be used for any guards army, not only Mordians. Thus a unit, that technically belongs to the IG core list is not in the codex and has been moved to a marginally later release on purpose so the supplement is required not only for those who actually care about the regiment, but for any IG player wishing to field that unit.

Chenkov and Conscripts would be prime candidates for Valhallans, but I don't think they will move those, since they are too symbolic of the whole grimdark IG.

 Col.Gravis wrote:
The ogryns, are interesting. I'm reserving judgement until I see the sprues, theres no way I'd assemble them 'as is' for my Praetorians anyway, but i want to know how easy it'll be to convert them.

You produced pith helmet sci-fi Ogres for a commision in the past. Could be an interesting sideline to move into! You know you've got at least one customer should it come to pass.

I really like the CC Ogryns, my judgement is usually based on whether I can seen them moving and existing with their surroundings.

I can see these moving forward slowly deflecting shot after shot with the shield, like a moving defence line almost. Lets hope the rules follow my mind!

 Kosake wrote:
I'm speaking about the rumored new flyer or tank.
Say the IG codex comes in April-May (without the tank) and in June we get the Mordian-supplement with the tank inside and the notion that it can be used for any guards army, not only Mordians. Thus a unit, that technically belongs to the IG core list is not in the codex and has been moved to a marginally later release on purpose so the supplement is required not only for those who actually care about the regiment, but for any IG player wishing to field that unit.

Oh, right. That isn't what we were talking about, which is why it kind of threw me there.

I know we've just had a codex for the Knight, but even so this strikes me as a little hysterical. For starters, part of why the Knight got it's own book is that it can be part of any Imperium army, and it can be used standalone. That's not really the same as holding back one imperial guard tank kit / flyer kit, and doing a codex supplement for that. We've got a fairly solid track record now of GW putting rules for that kind of isolated release into White Dwarf, anyway.

Remember this rumor?

Hello Natfka, I am not normally a rumour guy.
However, I have today seen (and held) something I was not supposed to.
"Astra Militarium Bullgryns"
Shrink wrapped box ready for sale; I don't know what that implys about
release time.
Three Plastic "Bullgryns" which seem to be armoured Ogryns with large
riot style shields. Looked to be on the same bases as the Space Marine
Centurians. They are painted in a new looking blue/gray urban cammo.
They have armoured looking torsos and loin cloth type things made out
of tank tracks (!). They also seemed to have cybernetic enchancement
(ala Boneheads).
Looking at the back of the box, there was a small picture indicating
they could also be built as traditional Ogryns, which retain there
T-shirts and Ripper guns look. The Orgryn on the back had a Green T
shirt.

The description is spot on, so I think it is safe to assume that there will be 3 in a box and not 5.

They'll come in units of 5-10. Available in a box of 3.

Thanks Obama.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They'll come in units of 5-10. Available in a box of 3.

Thanks Obama.

Not necessarily. There could be a change in squad size requirements.

Necron destroyers were 3-5. Now they are 1-5.

So, any rumors if the Hydra kit builds something else? Would be rare for GW to release a single-build plastic kit.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They'll come in units of 5-10. Available in a box of 3.

Thanks Obama.

Not necessarily. There could be a change in squad size requirements.

Necron destroyers were 3-5. Now they are 1-5.

it's my understanding, points have been lowered for guard models, like years ago. Requiring guard players to buy more minis. So what was a 2k army that you might have right now might calculate out be 1800 or so with the new codex.

 prowla wrote:
So, any rumors if the Hydra kit builds something else? Would be rare for GW to release a single-build plastic kit.

It's not "something new", but it looks to share a lot of components with the Basilisk--which incidentally has been a "direct order" item for some time.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 prowla wrote:
So, any rumors if the Hydra kit builds something else? Would be rare for GW to release a single-build plastic kit.

It's not "something new", but it looks to share a lot of components with the Basilisk--which incidentally has been a "direct order" item for some time.

That'd be my guess too. The medusa and bombard are still there on forgeworld.

 Ravenous D wrote:
That'd be my guess too. The medusa and bombard are still there on forgeworld.

So is the Hydra.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 prowla wrote:
So, any rumors if the Hydra kit builds something else? Would be rare for GW to release a single-build plastic kit.

It's not "something new", but it looks to share a lot of components with the Basilisk--which incidentally has been a "direct order" item for some time.

The photo of the Hydra shows it next to the old Basilisk model (or at least a Basilisk which clearly has a different driver's hatch to the Hydra), which would seem odd if it was a dual kit with the Basilisk.

It does seem to have a lot of features which would suit it being a dual kit with some kind of artillery though.

Anyone care to guess what the Bullgryn's weapon is? Looks like it might be some kind of power-ram or a grenade launcher.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 prowla wrote:
So, any rumors if the Hydra kit builds something else? Would be rare for GW to release a single-build plastic kit.

It's not "something new", but it looks to share a lot of components with the Basilisk--which incidentally has been a "direct order" item for some time.

The photo of the Hydra shows it next to the old Basilisk model (or at least a Basilisk which clearly has a different driver's hatch to the Hydra), which would seem odd if it was a dual kit with the Basilisk.

Not necessarily. There's a reason that I pointed out that right now the Basilisk is "direct order" only. They have no box to redo for the current Basilisk because the item was pulled to Direct Order sometime back in 2013.
The Basilisk seems to be using a "standard" hatch while the Hydra is using the Manticore/Deathstrike's hatch.


Also: Guess what other item has "2013" on its sprues? If you guessed "Imperial Knight", you're right.

Anyone care to guess what the Bullgryn's weapon is? Looks like it might be some kind of power-ram or a grenade launcher.

Rocket launcher. Clearly.

Correct me if I'm wrong but on the new hydra model, if you remove the aa turret and stick an autocannon on the curved plating section. It looks quite similar to a Salamander scout tank.

pyrotank wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but on the new hydra model, if you remove the aa turret and stick an autocannon on the curved plating section. It looks quite similar to a Salamander scout tank.

Huh, and the set will come with autocannons, because of the hydra...that's a thought.

Hmm on closer thought, perhaps not. Would be a valid conversion though.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

It's not "something new", but it looks to share a lot of components with the Basilisk--which incidentally has been a "direct order" item for some time.

The photo of the Hydra shows it next to the old Basilisk model (or at least a Basilisk which clearly has a different driver's hatch to the Hydra), which would seem odd if it was a dual kit with the Basilisk.

It does seem to have a lot of features which would suit it being a dual kit with some kind of artillery though.

Anyone care to guess what the Bullgryn's weapon is? Looks like it might be some kind of power-ram or a grenade launcher.

Now that I look at it, the Hydra top armor is different from both Basilisk and Manticore. Hydra has a curved section next to the turret.

For some reason the Bullgryn weapon reminds me of the PIAT 'bazooka'. Probably a grenade launcher or a frag cannon in style of BA Dread. Or maybe a grenade thrower for those frags the Bullgryns are carrying

It would'nt make sense for there to be a new Basilisk.

Just an observation, but in the picture showing the Hydra we also see the OLD Basilisk, look at the side plating and hull mounted Heavy Bolter. Thats the current (old) kit, not a new one.

Pyrotank might be on to something though about the Salamander. I'd also suggest it would make a good bed for a Griffin, just stick in a Heavy Mortar are your golden.

Corrected because I'm having a 'moment'.

 Col.Gravis wrote:
It would'nt make sense for there to be a new Basilisk.

Just an observation, but in the picture showing the Hydra we also see the OLD Basilisk, look at the side plating and hull mounted Heavy Bolter. Thats the current (old) kit, not a new one.

Pyrotank might be on to something though. I'd also suggest it would make a good bed for a Salamander, just stick in a Heavy Mortar are your golden.

They still show off the old Leman Russ kit next to the new one all the time. It's not unheard of for GW to have old and new models in the same picture.

alphaecho wrote:

 Col.Gravis wrote:
The ogryns, are interesting. I'm reserving judgement until I see the sprues, theres no way I'd assemble them 'as is' for my Praetorians anyway, but i want to know how easy it'll be to convert them.

You produced pith helmet sci-fi Ogres for a commision in the past. Could be an interesting sideline to move into! You know you've got at least one customer should it come to pass.

Oh you know I was thinking that already


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 Happygrunt wrote:
They still show off the old Leman Russ kit next to the new one all the time. It's not unheard of for GW to have old and new models in the same picture.

True, on occasion, but this is publicity for the new kit, if it built a shiny new model, why show the old one alongside?

Sorry, if this kit makes a Basilisk I'll eat my Pith Helmet.

 UlrikDecado wrote:
I dislike Ogryns in IG, simply the abhumants doesnt fit into my IG view...but despite this, I really like the new models. They are right...ogrynish

Abhumans? Round up the mutant freaks and toss them into the warzone. If they kill the enemy, great! If they die? Great! It's a win-win!

There's always a place for disposable units.




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Also, now that it's mentioned, those Hydra Autocannons could be dynamite as Dreadnought arms for the Marines.

 Col.Gravis wrote:
It would'nt make sense for there to be a new Basilisk.

Just an observation, but in the picture showing the Hydra we also see the OLD Basilisk, look at the side plating and hull mounted Heavy Bolter. Thats the current (old) kit, not a new one.

Pyrotank might be on to something though. I'd also suggest it would make a good bed for a Salamander, just stick in a Heavy Mortar are your golden.

Salamander uses Autocannons, not heavy mortars. That's Griffon.

Plus if you really want to nitpick, that's not the current Basilisk kit. The "current" Basilisk kit uses the current Chimera chassis. That is a much smoother side hull with very little in the way of protrusion, while the photo shows that there is a pretty significant protrusion which matches up to the old Chimera chassis. The only place to get the old Chimera chassis(with the rollers for the tank tracks etc) is from Forge World with some of their conversion kits.

And nobody is saying that this is a "new" Basilisk kit.
The current Basilisk kit is a direct only item. Some shops still have the box from the Guard relaunch, but if they sold out of those they weren't getting restocks unless someone got them to do a web order for it.
It's not unbelievable at all that the Basilisk is going to be released as a dual box with the Hydra given that the Basilisk, traditionally a big Guard item, has been a direct only item for almost a year.

Spot the not so deliberate mistake, thats embaressing, yes I'd meant to write Griffin

Pyrotank might be on to something though (i.e. I agree with it could be used for a Salamander). I'd also suggest it would make a good bed for a Grffin, just stick in a Heavy Mortar are your golden.

Opps....

All I know is I have 5 salamanders (used as chimeras), 2 hunter tanks, 2 FW Lemans, and 1 FW basilisk because IMHO they look cooler...(and fit my ww2 dkok theme better)...