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 Col.Gravis wrote:
Spot the not so deliberate mistake, thats embaressing, yes I'd meant to write Griffin

Pyrotank might be on to something though (i.e. I agree with it could be used for a Salamander). I'd also suggest it would make a good bed for a Grffin, just stick in a Heavy Mortar are your golden.

Opps....

I agree that we could see a Salamander, but honestly I don't think we're going to see the Salamander or Griffin.

Well we'll just have to wait and see, it's all pie in the sky guess work really for now. It would be very surprising if it only built one vehicle, but I guess they could alwats take the route of the Space Marine AA tank with two variants.

If I were gambling I'd actually put more money on a Griffin to be honest though, given its an existing tank in the Codex without a kit.

Well I for one want to know if the point reductions is true or not. I would hate to spend another $50 or more on a unit or model I really don't need or want to bring my army back up to 2k.

With the current top dogs (or most used anyway) codexes being so good at removing infantry I've got my fingers crossed on a reduction to 40pt infantry squads instead of 50. But That's probably not going to happen. As long as they keep the blob mechanic I'm not to terribly worried about what they do to my precious guard.

The way naming seems to be going, I think that if we see anything like the speculated kits, they'll be the Griffox and Salamandox.

Hydrox, at least, we've seen a model for.

Bring back imperial beastmen!

 Endriu Death Coy wrote:
Bring back imperial beastmen!

Now that's a cause I can get behind!

The gas mask head will be molded alot lol

Beastmen rule. I've still got the 2nd ed Sarge (packmaster) with ornate armour, chainsword & plasma pistol. Awesome figure.

 ghostmaker wrote:
The gas mask head will be molded alot lol

Except that there's at least 6 of them in the kit. So you don't need additional masks for those five models.

 Endriu Death Coy wrote:
Bring back imperial beastmen!

Is it too early to say 'bring back Imperial Guard' yet?

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 ghostmaker wrote:
The gas mask head will be molded alot lol

Except that there's at least 6 of them in the kit. So you don't need additional masks for those five models.

Pretty sure we confirmed 3 models, didn't we?

 Alpharius wrote:

 Endriu Death Coy wrote:
Bring back imperial beastmen!

Now that's a cause I can get behind!

Me too!

 pretre wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 ghostmaker wrote:
The gas mask head will be molded alot lol

Except that there's at least 6 of them in the kit. So you don't need additional masks for those five models.

Pretty sure we confirmed 3 models, didn't we?

Aren't the five on the box all gas-masked? And my guess would be that a Company Commander would have a different mask than the others, something more fancy.

I thank you're talking past each other.

Pretre is talking about Ogryns and thenoobbomb appears to be talking about the Tempstus Scions.

 kronk wrote:
I thank you're talking past each other.

Pretre is talking about Ogryns and thenoobbomb appears to be talking about the Tempstus Scions.

Should have realised that.

I really like the basic ripper gun Ogryn although I do prefer the old style rounded ripper guns.

As for the bullogryn they look ok. I am wondering if I could cut the Tank track loin cloth off keeping a more of a torso flack jacket look. I am interested in seeing the spures of the ogryns as it looks at first glance that they don't look very posable like many multi part plastic kits.

The Hydra looks good as well.

The big question is will any of these models be worth taking ruleswise? I love Ogryns but I haven't fielded any since 2ed with my Blood Axe Space Ork warband.

 kronk wrote:
I thank you're talking past each other.

Pretre is talking about Ogryns and thenoobbomb appears to be talking about the Tempstus Scions.

Me smart. Sorry thenoobbomb!

Talking about ogryns gets you thinking like an ogryn

 Endriu Death Coy wrote:
Bring back imperial beastmen!

There are already some great miniatures out there..
http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/product/torgos-trench-raiders



And nothing to stop you converting some bits with conventional WFB beastmen of course, mixed with any of the massive number of alternative minis out there now.

I think he meant putting them back into the rules.

Mind you, they make for excellent penal guard stand-ins.

I don't understand IG beastmen... Is there fluff to support it?

Nostalgia etc.

Mind, they get mentioned every now and then, like in the Imperial Knight codex, where they are hunted every year by House Cadmus to determine who their leader should be for that year. They even use an impaled Beastman head as their house symbol.

When I saw "Diabeetus" I laughed out loud and didn't think it could be topped until I saw "Heyyyyyyyyyy YOUUuuuuuuuuuuuu GUYSSSSSS!" and spat coffee out over my laptop. OMG I am crying right now...

I have no idea who GW hired to sculpt the IG kits but the Taurox and Ogryns are beyond disappointing. They're amateurish and aren't fit for a kid's toy (says the 40 year-old man who collects minis). I think the design staff need to walk over to FW and see what real models can look like.

ncshooter426 wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

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HEEYYY YOUUU GUUUUUUYYYSSSS!!!

Emperor worshiping beastment were available in the first IG codex as abhumans,

I can't remember when they were re-written out of the IG background though

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Emperor worshiping beastment were available in the first IG codex as abhumans,

I can't remember when they were re-written out of the IG background though

They are still in the rule book listed as "accepted abhumans". The only bit of fluff I read in the rule book. That section on abhumans is pretty cool. unlimited modeling opportunities from that.

Did they take down the close ups of the stormtroopers?

SO when are we going to get ANY rules leaks? It feels like IG have had the most secrecy of all the most recent codexes! Something, even a rumor that wasn't from December to get the ball rolling would be nice, anything really. I MUST KNOW!

 Pacific wrote:

 Endriu Death Coy wrote:
Bring back imperial beastmen!

There are already some great miniatures out there..
http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/product/torgos-trench-raiders


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Yay! Painting up these guys as a Goliath gang in Necromunda just now.

So, chiming in on recent discussions:
I'm bidding for the Hydra to double with a Griffon. You know why? because they're both heavy support. You never get a rhino/whirlwind dual kit, and I therefore think the hydra won't double as a salamander - similar as they might seem.
Also, that crewman looking at a map out of the back of the hydra? dead giveaway for a griffon. If you're using a map to shoot down aircraft, you're doing it wrong.

Moustachio Tankloin - yeah they blew the painting there. Nice and shiny battle-damaged gear... I think step 1 of making Bullgryns respectable is adding MORE tank tracks. All over. Bring back 90's post-apocalyptic punk aesthetics! Spikes and hazard stripes everywhere YEAH!

Having looked at the 'regular' ogryns, I'm in the 'it's about time, they're pretty darn good, why'd they clean up the ripper guns?' camp. Sadly I spammed madly on ebay for Ogryns so I now have 7 of the 2nd ed metal ones, and no pin vice to hold 'em together with... *sniff*. But if they become more reasonably point-valued, I'll maybe buy another squad. 7 Ogryns + Yarrick puts anyone on the defensive!

I'm also kinda keen to see ogryns with a better armour save. Don't ask me why, I want them to have access to a 4+. it won't do jack in game terms, just feels right; reminds me of the Olog-Hai from Return of the King. Big tough badass in unnecessary heavy armour = win.

Basilisk and Hydra are both Heavy Support.