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 Vain wrote:
Well if everyone loves the Bob Olley look then the Ogryns are currently available from Max Mini...



Though I personally am planning to give one some horns and make him a ShadowRun troll.

*Blink, blink*
Yoink!

The Auld Grump

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Spoiler:

 Desubot wrote:

It doesn’t matter what we look like, what matters is our plan.

(it would be cool if they got a mobile ADL type rule.)

I so want to see Banegryn pick up a night lord and break his back on his knee. That would be a fun conversion

Now I know, out there amongst all the excellent Dakka modellers, someone can do this. Someone must do this! I demand to see this!

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm not saying GW are right in their marketing, but you can't really compare it to movies. Movie trailers attempt to hype up a movie and they can take bits and pieces of even a bad movie to make it look better than it is to get people in to watch it anyway.

When it comes to miniatures, you show the miniatures and people either like them or don't and will buy them or not. Unlike movies, I don't think you can overhype miniatures... they are what they are and once you've shown them you've shown them.

There are plenty of sculptors out there showing WIP shots of stuff they are working on and getting people all excited about what's coming up. Someone mentioned Vic before - the female Arcadians didn't just come out of the blue. People have been getting excited about them since she first announced that she was working on them, and I very much doubt that showing her work early on has hurt her sales any now that they're actually out.

Likewise, mousemuffins shows off loads of WIP 3d-sculpts on a couple of different forums, some of which are for releases intended for the next few months, and some with no set deadline yet... and has people frothing at the mouth to get a hold of the stuff once it's out.


Showing stuff off early only kills the excitement if what you're showing off isn't that exciting to begin with.

Or if you plan to sell old stuff until the last moment posible and then hope that everybody will buy it once more when you release the new figures one week later.

M.

I just started playing Flames of War this year, and now recently also started on Warmachine.
IG and Orks are my two primary 40K armies, but 40K died out at my gaming club and now people there are playing Malifaux, FoW and WM instead. We have been playing 40K every week for years, but it seems like people finally got tired of it, because of the silly rules, the relentless power creep and massive battlefield dominating units.
This IG release has been a bit mediocre, so much that I'm even considering putting off buying the codex. The (hopefully) upcoming Ork release has to be nothing less than amazing for me to buy anything, and that is saying a lot, since I used to be huge GW fan.

 insaniak wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm not saying GW are right in their marketing, but you can't really compare it to movies. Movie trailers attempt to hype up a movie and they can take bits and pieces of even a bad movie to make it look better than it is to get people in to watch it anyway.

When it comes to miniatures, you show the miniatures and people either like them or don't and will buy them or not. Unlike movies, I don't think you can overhype miniatures... they are what they are and once you've shown them you've shown them.

There are plenty of sculptors out there showing WIP shots of stuff they are working on and getting people all excited about what's coming up. Someone mentioned Vic before - the female Arcadians didn't just come out of the blue. People have been getting excited about them since she first announced that she was working on them, and I very much doubt that showing her work early on has hurt her sales any now that they're actually out.

Likewise, mousemuffins shows off loads of WIP 3d-sculpts on a couple of different forums, some of which are for releases intended for the next few months, and some with no set deadline yet... and has people frothing at the mouth to get a hold of the stuff once it's out.


Showing stuff off early only kills the excitement if what you're showing off isn't that exciting to begin with.

There is also the whiting out method that we get with infinity releases. Sometimes it's easy to pick out what it is because people know the rough silhouette and what's supposedly in the pipeline and the bases usually tell you which race if nothing else but ultimately nothing is actually being reveled but it's still creating a lot of hype as people see it ant try to guess what the models are.
And that certainly doesn't seem to be hurting Corvus Bellie's sales.

 Miguelsan wrote:
Or if you plan to sell old stuff until the last moment posible and then hope that everybody will buy it once more when you release the new figures one week later.
M.

This, and the fact that they want you to buy what's on offer today, not save for what you want next week. I can't believe there are still people out there that don't get this.

 Bull0 wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
Or if you plan to sell old stuff until the last moment posible and then hope that everybody will buy it once more when you release the new figures one week later.
M.

This, and the fact that they want you to buy what's on offer today, not save for what you want next week. I can't believe there are still people out there that don't get this.

That is assuming you're customers can afford to buy everything you put out, want to buy everything you put out and that you don't have competition out there trying to take those same dollars in your customer's pockets. All of which are dangerous things to assume if you're losing sales and your competition is gaining them.

If I only have $50 to spend a week and I know Knights are coming a month out I can save for it, if the only thing I know about in the 3 weeks leading up to it are dwarf models I have no interest in that money goes somewhere else and then I can't afford the knight when it hits the selves.

Well after another disappointment with the pre release and looking at the Tau for £1129.50 i can definatly say the GW marketing team are on drugs

410mcollins wrote:
Well after another disappointment with the pre release and looking at the Tau for £1129.50 i can definatly say the GW marketing team are on drugs

And therein lies you mistake: They don't have a marketing team. They have a sales team. Two very different things.

When did I say I thought it was a good strategy or that I agreed with it?

 Bull0 wrote:

Spoiler:

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
Or if you plan to sell old stuff until the last moment posible and then hope that everybody will buy it once more when you release the new figures one week later.
M.

This, and the fact that they want you to buy what's on offer today, not save for what you want next week. I can't believe there are still people out there that don't get this.

That is assuming you're customers can afford to buy everything you put out, want to buy everything you put out and that you don't have competition out there trying to take those same dollars in your customer's pockets. All of which are dangerous things to assume if you're losing sales and your competition is gaining them.

If I only have $50 to spend a week and I know Knights are coming a month out I can save for it, if the only thing I know about in the 3 weeks leading up to it are dwarf models I have no interest in that money goes somewhere else and then I can't afford the knight when it hits the selves.

When did I say I thought it was a good strategy or that I agreed with it?

That was just the impression I got from your post, sorry if I got that wrong.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

410mcollins wrote:
Well after another disappointment with the pre release and looking at the Tau for £1129.50 i can definatly say the GW marketing team are on drugs

And therein lies you mistake: They don't have a marketing team. They have a sales team. Two very different things.

I do apologise on my grammatical error just venting my frustrations. And they are still on drugs.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

Spoiler:

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
Or if you plan to sell old stuff until the last moment posible and then hope that everybody will buy it once more when you release the new figures one week later.
M.

This, and the fact that they want you to buy what's on offer today, not save for what you want next week. I can't believe there are still people out there that don't get this.

That is assuming you're customers can afford to buy everything you put out, want to buy everything you put out and that you don't have competition out there trying to take those same dollars in your customer's pockets. All of which are dangerous things to assume if you're losing sales and your competition is gaining them.

If I only have $50 to spend a week and I know Knights are coming a month out I can save for it, if the only thing I know about in the 3 weeks leading up to it are dwarf models I have no interest in that money goes somewhere else and then I can't afford the knight when it hits the selves.

When did I say I thought it was a good strategy or that I agreed with it?

That was just the impression I got from your post, sorry if I got that wrong.

No no, I think it's a pain in the arse and I think they should do more to build excitement about their products in advance. Although, Forge World have started doing some of this now with the blogs, so that's good.

 insaniak wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm not saying GW are right in their marketing, but you can't really compare it to movies. Movie trailers attempt to hype up a movie and they can take bits and pieces of even a bad movie to make it look better than it is to get people in to watch it anyway.

When it comes to miniatures, you show the miniatures and people either like them or don't and will buy them or not. Unlike movies, I don't think you can overhype miniatures... they are what they are and once you've shown them you've shown them.

There are plenty of sculptors out there showing WIP shots of stuff they are working on and getting people all excited about what's coming up. Someone mentioned Vic before - the female Arcadians didn't just come out of the blue. People have been getting excited about them since she first announced that she was working on them, and I very much doubt that showing her work early on has hurt her sales any now that they're actually out.

Likewise, mousemuffins shows off loads of WIP 3d-sculpts on a couple of different forums, some of which are for releases intended for the next few months, and some with no set deadline yet... and has people frothing at the mouth to get a hold of the stuff once it's out.


Showing stuff off early only kills the excitement if what you're showing off isn't that exciting to begin with.

I think at the end of the day it's all just speculation. Personally, I don't think it's anything like showing previews of a movie, 100% I think movie prerelease marketing helps sales, not only because it's prerelease but also because AAA movie marketing is very expansive and it lets a large population know about the release and get hyped for it.

Whether or not miniatures are benefited or hurt by prerelease showing things off, I can't say, I have no evidence and I'm not aware or any evidence to show whether or not it helps, however I could totally believe it hurts the impulse buy sales.

I'm not saying I'm a model of all wargamers, but there's lots of things I've bought on impulse and then never gotten around to painting because I thought it was cool and didn't take the time to think whether I actually had time to paint it or the need to own it and likewise there's been things I have looked at, been on the verge of buying, decided to wait and eventually never bought because I decided I didn't need it and didn't have time to paint it.

Because of that, I could totally believe GW is actually right in thinking prerelease info is bad for sales. In the few weeks we had between the Imperial Knight first leaks and the actual model coming out I went from "I will definitely buy this when it comes out" to "eh, I'll buy it when I finish the rest of my guard army" (which may be never ).

Just offhand, have the past couple of codexes seen GW pulling units that don't have models? Did it happen to Tau, Eldar and Nids? I know Nids lost the Doom and Spore because of no models....

Just wondering because there is no model for the Colossus gun....So could we be seeing that go away?

General Hobbs wrote:


Just offhand, have the past couple of codexes seen GW pulling units that don't have models? Did it happen to Tau, Eldar and Nids? I know Nids lost the Doom and Spore because of no models....

Just wondering because there is no model for the Colossus gun....So could we be seeing that go away?

Even if it wasn't in the codex you could still run them as they are in IA 1: 2E as a HS choice for Guard.

General Hobbs wrote:


Just offhand, have the past couple of codexes seen GW pulling units that don't have models? Did it happen to Tau, Eldar and Nids? I know Nids lost the Doom and Spore because of no models....

Just wondering because there is no model for the Colossus gun....So could we be seeing that go away?

Im sure everything that's offered by FW is pretty safe to stay in the new codex. Whatever is not will be cut.

I think the ogryns look pretty neat beyond the tank treads. The treads seem like lazy design work to me.

So... what do the two types of Ogryns have in common? Because all I'm seeing from the couple of pics available so far are the legs.

 Azazelx wrote:
So... what do the two types of Ogryns have in common? Because all I'm seeing from the couple of pics available so far are the legs.

Fear of dark, cramped places and an undying love for the Emprah!?!?

Chootum wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


Just offhand, have the past couple of codexes seen GW pulling units that don't have models? Did it happen to Tau, Eldar and Nids? I know Nids lost the Doom and Spore because of no models....

Just wondering because there is no model for the Colossus gun....So could we be seeing that go away?

Im sure everything that's offered by FW is pretty safe to stay in the new codex. Whatever is not will be cut.

I don't think FW has a Colossus?

Azazelx wrote:So... what do the two types of Ogryns have in common? Because all I'm seeing from the couple of pics available so far are the legs.

I have a feeling the torsos are common between them and the body armour glues on over the top of the tank top.

I don't understand the strong stance against treadcloths. The munitorum can barely (if at all) combobulate itself to give our regiments las charges and you think they're dolin out terra pattern loincloths for a bunch of unpure cannon fodder? I dunno what imperium you're fighting for but it sure as hell isn't mine.

 Las wrote:
I don't understand the strong stance against treadcloths.

Neither do I. They look like something designed from a practical stand point - the Ogryn needed some sort of flexible ablative armour, and the Guard have track links in abundance, so their armour was designed to hook up to a small length of easily-replaceable armour.

Quite a good idea in my mind, and something that the AdMech certainly would not have done.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Las wrote:
I don't understand the strong stance against treadcloths.

Neither do I. They look like something designed from a practical stand point - the Ogryn needed some sort of flexible ablative armour, and the Guard have track links in abundance, so their armour was designed to hook up to a small length of easily-replaceable armour.

Quite a good idea in my mind, and something that the AdMech certainly would not have done.

I don't get it either. I don't really like the models but not because the treadcloth. I think is someone else had done that as a conversion many people would think it was pretty cool. Maybe a bit much to have on every model though.

The rest though not a fan of the Ogryns.

I'll use Dreamforge Stormtroopers and their APC when it comes out, by far much better minis and also a lot cheaper. The GW stormtroopers and armored ice cream truck, just don't do it for me.

I wouldn't mind if it was just 1 model with a couple of tank tracks bolted on haphazardly for extra armour. I think it looks silly when it's moulded in as a dedicated piece like that, for several reasons.

One being that why would you waste good tank tracks on an Ogryn.

Two being it looks like it would severely limit mobility (this comes back to the "it would be ok if it were just 1 model" thing), 3 tank tracks swinging from your belly is just silly, they can only swing in 1 axis, the axis that makes them bang in to your knees as you try and walk.

Three being that they just dominate the visuals of the model more than they should IMO.

Fourthly being that while I like the argument that it's easy to replace on the battlefield, that doesn't really make sense when the UPPER portion of the armour is a complicated curved part that would actually be quite difficult to manufacture. Why would you bother making a lower section that is easy to replace on the battlefield and an upper section that is difficult to replace and would probably need to be sent off to the factory or a completely new piece manufactured from whatever forgeworld they came from.

If instead of being a tank track loincloth, there was just a big hole in the armour and a tank track bolted in place over the hole, I think that would look kind of cool, but the tank track loincloth just ain't doing it for me.

@skink - that's why if I ever get these guys, I'll add loads MORE tank tracks to patch over that breastplate and break up its shiny unity...

The third tank tread isn't even protecting anything other than the air between the ogyrn's knees. The treads are even attached the wrong way around. They should be inverted so that the two tabs hang down to provide more coverage and have the attachment point on the breastplate easier to manufacture.

Personally, I think a better design would have been to have a link or two of tread used to used to make the shoulder portions of the armour, with a more manufactured looking piece covering the chest and abdomen, and perhaps a few single lengths of tread to cover the waist. This even would have even given the ogryns large tank tread pauldrons of doom; how did the GW designers miss such an opportunity?

The bullgryns look very static to me, one it standing still, the other has an arm up. They could have sculpted them in an advancing position using their riot shields instead of standing around waiting for something to begin.

I assume the tank treads have had the teeth removed or they'd just be unwearable.

^ oh! Thanks i've just miseed that point