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I wonder if they will get grav guns?

I also Vendetta isnt good...

 pretre wrote:

410mcollins wrote:
Speaking of RR being removed from the GW sight has anyone noticed the techpriests are now under elites and not HQ so that rumor must have been true

Guessing based off of the webstore is not a terribly accurate method.

Unfortunately in this case it's not a bad method. Enginseers were under the HQ slot until roughly three weeks back.

Vostroyans would be more suited for a "French" feel since they were based off french grenadiers...


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:

410mcollins wrote:
Speaking of RR being removed from the GW sight has anyone noticed the techpriests are now under elites and not HQ so that rumor must have been true

Guessing based off of the webstore is not a terribly accurate method.

Unfortunately in this case it's not a bad method. Enginseers were under the HQ slot until roughly three weeks back.

We saw Steel Legion go away from GW webstore, and then a leak of the new packaging for them sprouted up. That could be the case for RR too...

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Vostroyans would be more suited for a "French" feel since they were based off french grenadiers...

Nope, Blanche himself stated Cossacks and Russian infantry.

Unless he's getting mixed up with Death Korp?

I might go down to GW for like the fourth time in my life to buy this see what the annoying sales guy there will try on me. But when will this be available to just walk in and buy? Anyone know?

The codex I mean.

Three or so weeks from now.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Vostroyans would be more suited for a "French" feel since they were based off french grenadiers...

They seem like a mix of French napoleonic grenadiers and cossacks to me. I hope they will keep them in the future line. They look great, have a distinct 40k millenium feel, and a nice fluff.
We now GW is retreating from metal production, but this recent and rich range owes to be kept !

 BrookM wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Vostroyans would be more suited for a "French" feel since they were based off french grenadiers...

Nope, Blanche himself stated Cossacks and Russian infantry.

But was John Blanche really honest saying so ? Could he openly admit inspiring from French napoleonic, an army enemy of Great Britain ? Cossacks had much straightforward coats, more and few ornate weapons. As should be for a steppe army. Napoleonic grenadiers on the other hand share an ornate look with vostroyans. They borrowed their fur cap tradition from cossacks, which make these units linked of course.

cheers. it says pre orders from 22nd? So its a 2 week ish wait from then? I have never pre ordered before sorry.

 Swastakowey wrote:
cheers. it says pre orders from 22nd? So its a 2 week ish wait from then? I have never pre ordered before sorry.

Just check the GW site daily.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
We saw Steel Legion go away from GW webstore, and then a leak of the new packaging for them sprouted up. That could be the case for RR too...

That steel legion box shot was fake.


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 Ravajaxe wrote:
But was John Blanche really honest saying so ? Could he openly admit inspiring from French napoleonic, an army enemy of Great Britain ?

Mmm, you're totally right. We have laws against mentioning the Napoleonic war. Because it's so relevant to us, and all. Why, just last week I saw three coal-streaked urchins hanged outside the pie and mash shop in Whitechapel for possessing a caricature of Bonaparte scrawled on a fish and chip wrapper

 Bull0 wrote:


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 Ravajaxe wrote:
But was John Blanche really honest saying so ? Could he openly admit inspiring from French napoleonic, an army enemy of Great Britain ?

Mmm, you're totally right. We have laws against mentioning the Napoleonic war. Because it's so relevant to us, and all. Why, just last week I saw three coal-streaked urchins hanged outside the pie and mash shop in Whitechapel for possessing a caricature of Bonaparte scrawled on a fish and chip wrapper

King George will not look kindly on this 'John's' continental sympathies.To the stocks with him, and then we retire to the gentleman's club for scotch and racism!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Again:
The Hydra is almost certainly going to be a dual kit with the Basilisk. The Basilisk is currently a Direct Only item, and has been since 2013. We know that they plan things far, far in advance so this is not unheard of.

I concur. Two other arguments back this idea.
First. The elevating circular gears seen on the Hydra guns picture, are very similar in shape and size to the old one of Basilisk. Look above the crewman :



Second. While basilisk kit was updated consecutively to V5 Chimera kit being redone, it kept many outdated sprues components : the accessory sprue for the gunner and some bits, and two 1990's small sprues.
Redesigning these elements to fit on one big current GW's sprues leads to manufacturing economies, and some space to include hydra guns. I'm curious to see if they will circumvent gamer's techniques who magnetize components to swap from a codex entry to another. I suspect them to be slightly vicious, and similarly to the manticore / deathstrike kit, key components would then need to be glued in not swappable configuration.

If it is a dual kit with some kind of artillery, I bet that you need the elevating gears in a different position for the alternate build.

 BrookM wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Vostroyans would be more suited for a "French" feel since they were based off french grenadiers...

Nope, Blanche himself stated Cossacks and Russian infantry.

F E E L of French Napoleonic Grenadiers.... Not citing scripture here fella.....

 BrookM wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
cheers. it says pre orders from 22nd? So its a 2 week ish wait from then? I have never pre ordered before sorry.

Just check the GW site daily.

if your signed up for marketing material from GW, its a safe bet you'll get an email when it goes up for preorder

Big fan of the Rough Riders personally, having long ago learned to use them as a counter-punch against CC armies, rather than running forward and trying to get the charge off aggressively.

Going with the modern "Two kits in one" approach, I'd say that the best bet would be to do them up as lancers and dragoons, with one option getting the power lance and probably carapace armor while the other was more rapid redeploy, with las carbines or even sniper rifles.

Probably a base unit of Guardsmen stats, +1 Toughness for being on horseback, and treated as fleet, rather than beasts (Since horses and woods go together poorly) ... from there, you get a laspistol and lascarbine (that can be switched out for a CCW for free), optional special weapons (say one per five models), and the entire crew can have one-shot power lances for X pts and/or carapace armor for Y pts. If you were feeling frisky, you could add on the Scout rule as well. The base points would be low, in the 8-10 pt range, since you're just a Fleet guardsman with T4, but weapon mods would push it up.

In a perfect world, there'd even be options included for mounted command squads and cavalry platoons, but that's just dreaming, sadly.

Still the option should always be there for your somewhat primative Imperial worlds giving up their best and brightest, even if the rest of the universe and goes, "Nice horse. I have a tank."

Perfect Organism wrote:If it is a dual kit with some kind of artillery, I bet that you need the elevating gears in a different position for the alternate build.

Absolutely. Elevating gears on peripheral position for hydra, but much more centered for basilisk.
We will see if there is a way to get around on the matter.

krazynadechukr wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Vostroyans would be more suited for a "French" feel since they were based off french grenadiers...

Nope, Blanche himself stated Cossacks and Russian infantry.

F E E L of French Napoleonic Grenadiers.... Not citing scripture here fella.....

Nice catch !

Wakshaani wrote:


Probably a base unit of Guardsmen stats, +1 Toughness for being on horseback, and treated as fleet, rather than beasts (Since horses and woods go together poorly)

There is an "cavalry" sub-type in the 6E rulebook. 12'' move, not slowed by difficult terrain but counts all difficult terrain as dangerous terrain; have fleet and hammer of wrath.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Vostroyans would be more suited for a "French" feel since they were based off french grenadiers...

Nope, Blanche himself stated Cossacks and Russian infantry.

F E E L of French Napoleonic Grenadiers.... Not citing scripture here fella.....

I mean, I don't have a dog in this race, but while you did say "Feel" you also said "T H E Y W E R E B A S E D O F F"

 Bull0 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Vostroyans would be more suited for a "French" feel since they were based off french grenadiers...

Nope, Blanche himself stated Cossacks and Russian infantry.

F E E L of French Napoleonic Grenadiers.... Not citing scripture here fella.....

I mean, I don't have a dog in this race, but while you did say "Feel" you also said "T H E Y W E R E B A S E D O F F"

 reds8n wrote:
Seemed to have taken something of a diversion into history for a while there but we're back on track now, be easier for all if we were to maintain this corrected course.

Thanks

Just saying...

This isn't what he was talking about with that and we aren't discussing history. Just saying...

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
With that said, I kind of hope we can say good riddance to the Vendetta. It's an abomination that never should have been approved. It would have been far simpler for them to put the Vulture in or an actual, dedicated anti-tank flyer. Not this hideous multirole blargher.

There you go again, telling us how we shouldn't have things.

Saying "It should never have existed" is not the same as "We shouldn't have something".

Plus it's not like there wasn't already, y'know, the Vulture Gunship.

Gotta agree with Kan here, it's no more saying that people shouldn't have something than the outcry over the aesthetics of the Taurox is.

It's not like many people are going to be running a 6 to 9 vendetta list. Its just too expensive for an average joe. I hope the vendetta stays exactly the same. I think it would be fair if they put a max on how many you can take though. Spamming anything detracts from the gaming experience for many gamers.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:


Probably a base unit of Guardsmen stats, +1 Toughness for being on horseback, and treated as fleet, rather than beasts (Since horses and woods go together poorly)

There is an "cavalry" sub-type in the 6E rulebook. 12'' move, not slowed by difficult terrain but counts all difficult terrain as dangerous terrain; have fleet and hammer of wrath.

Sure, but which were remarkable cavalry units throughout V5 & V6 editions ? Thunderwolves cavalry for sure, some mounted daemons, OK. What else ? Not IG outdated outclassed cavalry.
I've seen them played once, and they were converted cadians anyway.

IG cavalry is a bit let down, from many years. I remember clearly, at the end of V4 edition, almost all IG's good old metals were discontinued. There was doubts about cavalry availability.
They have been kindly reintroduced in the vastly varied miniature range available when V5 codex hit the stores. Like Valhallans, Mordians, Tallarns, Steel Legionaires were breathed new life with an extended availability period.

Now, I don't like to be doom and gloom, but I fear they are gone definitely. Simply look at how huge the IG range was, and how rationalized other armies are now (into a few plastic / finecast boxes).
So far,we have been given this information :
1 refreshed ogryn box
1 new stormtrooper 5-man squad box
0-1 supposed commissar unit / splittable individuals in plastic box
1 unexpected light transport
1 ( maybe 2) renewed artillery kit


I don't see any room for a cavalry unit, sorry for the guys who like them.
Hope for Forgeworld to take care of them (Mukaali riders of Tallarn, there were old Tallarn metal horse riders also, some time ago).

Can we just agree that Krieg and Vostroya are obviously French names

 Kroothawk wrote:
Can we just agree that Krieg and Vostroya are obviously French names

They are not, mein herr Kroot. Just a cunning cover for two partly French inspired miniatures (and parlty German / Cossack respectively).

Vostroya sounds distinctly Russian/Cossack to me. I'm not exactly a student of history though, so I'm sure my frame of reference isn't as informed/vast as others here.

That said, I hope to be able to get more models for the Vostroyan Firstborn line in the future. I've got what I need for now, but would like to expand the force a little more, so that I can run a couple of infantry platoons and have enough models left to field a veteran squad or two with supporting heavy weapons teams. Truth be told, that's what I'd like are some more Vostroyan heavy weapon teams, specifically the Lascannon teams, a few special weapons (Plasmaguns, and maybe one or two more grenade launchers) as well as some Sergeants/Officers. That's whats holding me back currently to be honest. C'est-la-vie.

I wonder if GW is going to do what they've done with the codex supplements for some of the larger/more well known Regiments after the new codex drops?

I'd love to see some unique doctrines for Regiments like Steel Legion, Tallarn, Vostroyan, and Valhallan given some attention this way.

Hell, I'll be honest, I'd enjoy seeing some attention given to the Vostroyans (persona bias speaking here, sorry) and maybe a named character you could field with them to give them some flavor.

C'est la vie, guess we'll see when the time comes.

Thanks guys, take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

I fear for my Elysians.

 BrookM wrote:
I fear for my Elysians.

I wouldn't. Just like the DKoK, they're Forgeworld and operate off of a slightly different paradigm than the rest of the I.G. regiments out there. As for special characters/rules outside of what Forgeworld has for them, who knows.

Time to troll Ebay for Vostroyan auctions that won't cost an arm, leg, or firstborn child.

Take it easy.

-RT-

 Kroothawk wrote:
Can we just agree that Krieg and Vostroya are obviously French names

Vostro is Italian... Krieg is a German Word. Kislev (the Warhammer Fantasy "Rus" army) is a Jewish/Hebrew word. Elysian is Greek.... Steel Legion is based off WW2 German Paratroopers....

I doubt we can put any stock in GWs naming method.

They are what you make them to be...


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 BrookM wrote:
I fear for my Elysians.

I have a DKOK army, but run them as regular guard! So don't panic! There will always be a way to play with the minis you have, even if the list changes....