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Storm trooper platoons are storm trooper codex only people. The regular codex will only be able to field single squads of storm troopers.

I'm hoping the volleygun is an indicator as to what will happen to Hotshot lasguns, S3 and 18" just isn't usable.

The hotshot lasgun is not displayed in red text-box of WD p.22.
As I feared, it simply means you have to refer to BRB where the hotshot lasgun is described along with other laser type weapons.
In short : its profile is unchanged, unfortunately.


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 BrookM wrote:
Storm trooper platoons are storm trooper codex only people. The regular codex will only be able to field single squads of storm troopers.

No.
Leaked next WD p.24 states :
Militarum tempestus platoons are an elite choice for Codex : Imperial Guard.
(Plus the platoon composition of 1-3 squads + 0-1 command squad).

The hot shot lasgun is not a new thing. Do you even Abnett, bro?

 Las wrote:
The hot shot lasgun is not a new thing. Do you even Abnett, bro?

Abnett refers to hot-shot power packs, not lasguns.

He refers to Hellguns though.

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Storm trooper platoons are storm trooper codex only people. The regular codex will only be able to field single squads of storm troopers.

No.
Leaked next WD p.24 states :
Militarum tempestus platoons are an elite choice for Codex : Imperial Guard.
(Plus the platoon composition of 1-3 squads + 0-1 command squad).

Oddly enough, codex: Imperial Guard will cease to be in a few weeks though.

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Storm trooper platoons are storm trooper codex only people. The regular codex will only be able to field single squads of storm troopers.

No.
Leaked next WD p.24 states :
Militarum tempestus platoons are an elite choice for Codex : Imperial Guard.
(Plus the platoon composition of 1-3 squads + 0-1 command squad).

Yep, beat me to it.

I'm excited, it's blown my plans wide open. 3 squads of stormtroopers in one slot with (correct me if I'm wrong) a nice little points cost drop? Admittedly, with a bit of a command squad tax, but all the same, I'm all over it. Exciting stuff.


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 BrookM wrote:
Oddly enough, codex: Imperial Guard will cease to be in a few weeks though.

Good try but there's no way this implies what you're saying it implies.

Posted the leaked rules here http://22ndvrrr.blogspot.com/

 BrookM wrote:
Storm trooper platoons are storm trooper codex only people. The regular codex will only be able to field single squads of storm troopers.

What are you talking about? Look back at WD scan, at top of it clearly states Scions are an elites choice for codex imperial guard & each elites choice is 1 to 3 squads (of 5 to 10 men) & an optional command squad of 5! In essence, 105 scions can be in a guard army (3 elites, each with 3 ten man squads & a command of 5)!

You are not even forced to buy the tempestus command squad.
But this squad gives nice LD bonuses, and a full platoon, made of minimal sized squads appropriately equipped will certainly be a powerful MSU strike force.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Storm trooper platoons are storm trooper codex only people. The regular codex will only be able to field single squads of storm troopers.

What are you talking about? Look back at WD scan, at top of it clearly states Scions are an elites choice for codex imperial guard & each elites choice is 1 to 3 squads (of 5 to 10 men) & an optional command squad of 5! In essence, 105 scions can be in a guard army (3 elites, each with 3 ten man squads & a command of 5)!

I think what BrookM is hinting at is that we have seen the cover for Codex:Astra Militarum that will soon replace Codex : Imperial Guard. We do not know at present if the new book will allow Scion platoons. Of course, the wording in Codex Tempestus could say Scions are elite for Codex:AM

Right I'm wrong, sorry chaps, no need to sling insults in the PM's though.

mmmh... 3 Units of 5 man Scions with meltas/plasma that DS and that are cheap?...

Chaos Stormtroopers, come to papa!

I could see where he was coming from. But I wouldn't think GW would say grab a platoon for your IG army. Oh....can't use a platoon in an IG army that's been renamed

But I could see where he was coming from. I think the standard Taurox is fine. There are give and takes between it and the chimera but I think they are costed appropriately. I do wish the Prime had been 10-15pts cheaper or the weapon upgrades cheaper but I can still see a use for them.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I could see where he was coming from. But I wouldn't think GW would say grab a platoon for your IG army. Oh....can't use a platoon in an IG army that's been renamed

THIS!

 BrookM wrote:
Right I'm wrong, sorry chaps, no need to sling insults in the PM's though.

People are insulting you via PM because you're such a hot chick and they can't handle it. PM a mod.

The Taurox is still bad.

Also, I don't believe those leaked rumors. None of them grant the Taurox fear, which magically fixes any underpowered unit!

I've already notified my favourite mod, let's just keep calm and carry on. Though I am sure that wrongful statement I made will be requoted by overeager childer for some time to come. Oy vey!

Hm, after 1 hq & 2 troop required take, I might squeeze in 2 elites of 25 Scions (DKOK Grenadiers)... Niiiice (Marcus Fenix tone).

Only sad thing about the new storm trooper squads is the rather overpriced power weaponry, good luck swinging that sword when everybody and their mum hits faster than you sarge!

Assuming Veterans aren't horrifically maimed, I could, potentially see the Taurux Prime replacing Chimeras in MechVet lists.

25 point power fists for Imperial Guard are as silly as 15 point plasma pistols for... anyone!

Both are 10 points too high.

Here's hoping the rumors of FW vehicles in new Guard Codex are true...

At 80-100+pts? I'd be very surprised unless they nerf the Chimera.

I don't see the value of the Prime.

Upgraded, its an 80-100pts AV11 vehicle with no additional save. That looks incredibly fragile, and not even cheap enough to spam effectively for saturation.

The base one is at least cheaper (slightly) with slightly better firepower. Eh, I'll still be taking Chimeras.

 kronk wrote:
25 point power fists for Imperial Guard are as silly as 15 point plasma pistols for... anyone!

Both are 10 points too high.

Indeed, particularly in an Imperial Guard list when those extra 10pts here and there can be spent on lascannons elsewhere, etc. If you want your stormtroopers to have shiny swords, the option's there, but the smart thing is to stow that stuff and load them up with shootybang instead

Exactly.

*Maybe* if we still had the 5E vehicle rules it'd get taken, but a 6E AV11/10/10 gunboat costing ~100pts after kit? Nope.

 kronk wrote:
25 point power fists for Imperial Guard are as silly as 15 point plasma pistols for... anyone!

Both are 10 points too high.

Agreed, I miss the good old days of 5pt power weapons for officers!


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 Bull0 wrote:

 kronk wrote:
25 point power fists for Imperial Guard are as silly as 15 point plasma pistols for... anyone!

Both are 10 points too high.

Indeed, particularly in an Imperial Guard list when those extra 10pts here and there can be spent on lascannons elsewhere, etc. If you want your stormtroopers to have shiny swords, the option's there, but the smart thing is to stow that stuff and load them up with shootybang instead

Perhaps it's GW's way of bringing balance to an army full of low S, high AP weaponry?

 Blacksails wrote:
I don't see the value of the Prime.

Upgraded, its an 80-100pts AV11 vehicle with no additional save. That looks incredibly fragile, and not even cheap enough to spam effectively for saturation.

The base one is at least cheaper (slightly) with slightly better firepower. Eh, I'll still be taking Chimeras.

I wonder if it being a Fast vehicle with essentially a dozer blade (re-rolling failed Terrain tests) will enable to Prime to get easy cover saves--making it hardier than it appears on paper. Would be interesting to test out. I am especially curious how the Ogryns will work with the Prime (if they can use it at all) because that might make for a fun delivery system for the brutes.

 BrookM wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

Indeed, particularly in an Imperial Guard list when those extra 10pts here and there can be spent on lascannons elsewhere, etc. If you want your stormtroopers to have shiny swords, the option's there, but the smart thing is to stow that stuff and load them up with shootybang instead

Perhaps it's GW's way of bringing balance to an army full of low S, high AP weaponry?

What, by hoping people will nerf themselves by giving out overpriced melee weapons to their troops like they're candy bars?

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

I wonder if it being a Fast vehicle with essentially a dozer blade (re-rolling failed Terrain tests) will enable to Prime to get easy cover saves--making it hardier than it appears on paper. Would be interesting to test out. I am especially curious how the Ogryns will work with the Prime (if they can use it at all) because that might make for a fun delivery system for the brutes.

Eh, I think that's a bit of a stretch, and more situational than other durable vehicles, like the Wave Serpent.

I'm not getting my hopes up for it.

Then again, I hate the model anyways, so I wouldn't use it if it was AV13/13/11 with an executioner plasma cannon for 40pts.

 Bull0 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

Indeed, particularly in an Imperial Guard list when those extra 10pts here and there can be spent on lascannons elsewhere, etc. If you want your stormtroopers to have shiny swords, the option's there, but the smart thing is to stow that stuff and load them up with shootybang instead

Perhaps it's GW's way of bringing balance to an army full of low S, high AP weaponry?

What, by hoping people will nerf themselves by giving out overpriced melee weapons to their troops like they're candy bars?

It would make the squad leaders slightly more useful, I'm pretty pissed that the sergeants and platoon commanders cannot take rifles like the rest of their squad.


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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
I wonder if it being a Fast vehicle with essentially a dozer blade (re-rolling failed Terrain tests) will enable to Prime to get easy cover saves--making it hardier than it appears on paper. Would be interesting to test out. I am especially curious how the Ogryns will work with the Prime (if they can use it at all) because that might make for a fun delivery system for the brutes.

The Taurox does come with a comically oversized circular rear hatch and two doors on the side, making it a wee bit friendlier than a Chimera in terms of getting out.