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I seriously doubt we'll be seeing the Vulture in the new 'Dex.

 Bull0 wrote:

There were a ton of images of assault guns with fixed weapons. And OK, so "turret" was the wrong word. The word I used was "piece", HBMC said turret, so even that doesn't work. Cheers now

In fairness the images that you linked to, even the hull mounted guns, had a fairly decent traverse. Designs with a fixed gun, Like the Char B1, were quickly shown to be fatally flawed or were stop gap vehicles rushed into production.

The taurox looks to have a very limited traverse (as well as a massive silhouette) so its got the main drawback of a turret without the main advantage of a turret. This isn't a suprise given that GW is absolutely hopeless at designing vehicles, probably the best ones are the Rhino and the Chimera, both of which are basically real vehicles with skulls stuck on them.

Whoa! Take this with a grain of salt folks, I just left my local Games Workshop. I've been friends with the manager since the army. Decades. He has returned from Memphis, and he was the one who told me months ago about FW/BL going to be stocked in Memphis & the new website (FW/BL/GW merging into one on a website), etc... Also a few other things I dropped on this thread way back.....

Anyways, he got a quick look (I guess) or was told about the upcoming codexes....

The AT & AM codexes have a dedicated transport page section ,i.e. Chimera, Taurox, Valkyrie, etc...

Unit entries (HQ, Troops, Elites, etc...) clearly state "May choose one transport from the Dedicated Transport Section."

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Whoa! Take this with a grain of salt folks, I just left my local Games Workshop. I've been friends with the manager since the army. Decades. He has returned from Memphis, and he was the one who told me months ago about FW/BL going to be stocked in Memphis & the new website (FW/BL/GW merging into one on a website), etc... Also a few other things I dropped on this thread way back.....

Anyways, he got a quick look (I guess) or was told about the upcoming codexes....

The AT & AM codexes have a dedicated transport page section ,i.e. Chimera, Taurox, Valkyrie, etc...

Unit entries (HQ, Troops, Elites, etc...) clearly state "May choose one transport from the Dedicated Transport Section."

Air guard hell spam from hell in the depths of hell.

HQ
2 vendettas

Elite
3 vendettas+

Troops
6 vendettas+

Fast
3 vendettas+

Heavy
3 vendettas+ (I mean why the hell not at this point, right?)

 BunkerBob wrote:
Air guard hell spam from hell in the depths of hell.

HQ
2 vendettas

Elite
3 vendettas+

Troops
6 vendettas+

Fast
3 vendettas+

Heavy
3 vendettas+ (I mean why the hell not at this point, right?)

There is nothing in Heavy that can take a transport.

No, but you can take 9 in Fast Attack instead of 3, lol.

 Kanluwen wrote:
There is nothing in Heavy that can take a transport.

There is a chance that heavy weapon platoons could be in heavy support. They seem to be popular in FW lists.

 Palindrome wrote:
This isn't a suprise given that GW is absolutely hopeless at designing vehicles, probably the best ones are the Rhino and the Chimera, both of which are basically real vehicles with skulls stuck on them.

Ork Trukks look significantly more plausible than Chimeras. In fact, ork designs in general tend to be a lot more believable than their Imperial counterparts.

 BunkerBob wrote:
Air guard hell spam from hell in the depths of hell.

HQ
2 vendettas

Elite
3 vendettas+

Troops
6 vendettas+

Fast
3 vendettas+

Heavy
3 vendettas+ (I mean why the hell not at this point, right?)

Wouldn't it behoove the gentlemanly among us to at least leave some points for the hypothetical boots needed to fill those transports?

Anyway I don't think the Vendetta can kill squads of troops fast enough to be a viable build.

I dunno..2 large blast missile pod sure can leave a nice mark in an infantry formation....

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I seriously doubt we'll be seeing the Vulture in the new 'Dex.

Agreed. Also, didn't the vendetta predate cruddace?

Edit: Showed a double post, I edited one and it edited both and don't care enough to re-write my original post.

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
I dunno..2 large blast missile pod sure can leave a nice mark in an infantry formation....

Except the vendetta doesn't have the MRP, but "only" three twin-linked lascannons. You'd have to upgrade all of them to carry Heavy Bolter sponsons to make is worth your while.
(I know, at this point, who's counting those measly 10 points each...)

 Trickstick wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
There is nothing in Heavy that can take a transport.

There is a chance that heavy weapon platoons could be in heavy support. They seem to be popular in FW lists.

certainly hope. I have 9 teams...


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From what I heard, 1 heavy choice can be 1-3 squads of 3 heavy weapons (squads must have same weapons, one can be 3 las, the other 3 mortars, etc...) & 0-1 heavy weapons command


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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 BunkerBob wrote:
Air guard hell spam from hell in the depths of hell.

HQ
2 vendettas

Elite
3 vendettas+

Troops
6 vendettas+

Fast
3 vendettas+

Heavy
3 vendettas+ (I mean why the hell not at this point, right?)

Wouldn't it behoove the gentlemanly among us to at least leave some points for the hypothetical boots needed to fill those transports?

Anyway I don't think the Vendetta can kill squads of troops fast enough to be a viable build.

1 Hq & 2 troops 200 pts. 1800 for Valkyries (vendetta config.)!

TBH i never got any of the hype over the vendetta . It's a damn good flier as they go, but i have never seen them do any good, and there are much better things to spend 130 points on IMO. Spamming them costs too much for too few models, although they could do with a rise in points cost.

 Soggy Kittenz wrote:
TBH i never got any of the hype over the vendetta . It's a damn good flier as they go, but i have never seen them do any good, and there are much better things to spend 130 points on IMO. Spamming them costs too much for too few models, although they could do with a rise in points cost.

You're either using them wrong, have had bad luck or haven't used them enough.

One of my Vendettas has the following record (I tally everything with my IG, though I started recording game outcomes far sooner than unit kills, so it doesn't fully illustrate just how much my Vendetta has killed):

Kills:
Riptide x1
Librarian x1
Farsight Enclave Crisis Command Team of 3
Storm Talon x1
Dreadnought x1
Necron Overlord x3
Annihilation Barge x2
Company Master x1
Wraithknight x1
Razorwing x1
Deff Dread x1
Warboss x1
Killa Kan x1
Chapter Master in Terminator Armour x1

All of the kills were either as a result of outright, in one shooting phase, with total contribution, or as final contribution to their death. The longest number of consecutive games it survived before dying on record is 13. It only died in the last game because 5 snapfiring Lootas got one hit, a penetrate and an explodes result. Its currently on 4 consecutive survived battles.

All this hipster crap about them not being effective I laugh at, basically.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
I dunno..2 large blast missile pod sure can leave a nice mark in an infantry formation....

Except the vendetta doesn't have the MRP, but "only" three twin-linked lascannons. You'd have to upgrade all of them to carry Heavy Bolter sponsons to make is worth your while.
(I know, at this point, who's counting those measly 10 points each...)

You can swap out 2 of the TL lascannons with Hellfury missiles for free.


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 Soggy Kittenz wrote:
TBH i never got any of the hype over the vendetta . It's a damn good flier as they go, but i have never seen them do any good, and there are much better things to spend 130 points on IMO. Spamming them costs too much for too few models, although they could do with a rise in points cost.

3 Twin Linked Lascannons on a 12/12/10 flyer platform is totally worth more than 130pts. There's nothing for 130pts in the Guard codex that unleashes as much anti-tank/MC/flyer on a platform that is reasonably hard to kill.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BunkerBob wrote:
Air guard hell spam from hell in the depths of hell.

HQ
2 vendettas

Elite
3 vendettas+

Troops
6 vendettas+

Fast
3 vendettas+

Heavy
3 vendettas+ (I mean why the hell not at this point, right?)

There is nothing in Heavy that can take a transport.

Forgot to quote the post above mine originally, many apologies.

Posted links to more pics in the commemtshttp://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/03/another-leaked-image-for-militarum.html?m=1

 jspyd3rx wrote:
Posted links to more pics in the commemtshttp://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/03/another-leaked-image-for-militarum.html?m=1

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
I dunno..2 large blast missile pod sure can leave a nice mark in an infantry formation....

Except the vendetta doesn't have the MRP, but "only" three twin-linked lascannons. You'd have to upgrade all of them to carry Heavy Bolter sponsons to make is worth your while.
(I know, at this point, who's counting those measly 10 points each...)

You can swap out 2 of the TL lascannons with Hellfury missiles for free.

True, but they still are a one-shot weapon that doesn't have a blast. So it'll kill one target, but is one shot, not twin-linked.

I just wish the normal Taurox was fast it might make up for the weak amour. I could see using it over the chimera then.

http://cs7004.vk.me/c540105/v540105894/11078/XUVdKpS4U-M.jpg

Read this one carefully, gives confirmation that FRFSRF is available for Hot Shot Lasguns now

 Mr.Omega wrote:
http://cs7004.vk.me/c540105/v540105894/11078/XUVdKpS4U-M.jpg

Read this one carefully, gives confirmation that FRFSRF is available for Hot Shot Lasguns now

I just saw that, i can imagine IG, *ahem*... AM players will be happy about that.

oooooooooooooh, looks like doctrines are back! mentions them in the third picture...

 BunkerBob wrote:

 jspyd3rx wrote:
Posted links to more pics in the commemtshttp://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/03/another-leaked-image-for-militarum.html?m=1

before anyone starts freaking out about the mention of FRF, read the sidebar!

And it certainly looks like the Astra Militarum codex is incoming. We're all tense as anything now... What, if anything, will get hit by the nerf bat? What beloved tactic will be impossible? What new tactics will arise from the ashes of the old (if any?)

So ST can get one order a turn, squaded into massive platoons. It works great?

 BunkerBob wrote:
So ST can get one order a turn, squaded into massive platoons. It works great?

I don't think I saw a rule anywhere that said CCS' can't give orders to MT units...

send a PCS and a CCS in chims along behind them, and you've got 4 units FRFing.

An interesting step up, but as persons have remarked earlier, we're not suffering from a lack of MEQ-killing kit in the current 'dex, and ST's are not the most efficient way to do it.

Great idea auto cannon behind the door, Disembark! Shoot those orks!

So Astra Militarum is just the high and mighty High Gothic name (we never heard before) of the (commonly called by the rank and file grunts) Imperial Guard.