IG/Astra Militarum Rumours for April (first post updated 12th April)

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**portugus**

Ah then the multi-laser is out :p can't have cool upgrades can we.

**Happygrunt**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Happygrunt wrote:
Commisar Krieglust wrote:
I believe I heard something about the Heavy Weapons Squads getting a new weapon option. Can anyone verify this?

Nope. And what would they get? There really isn't any man portable heavy weapons left.

Also, welcome to Dakka. Don't forget, you are here forever.

Well...

There are heavy stubbers and plasma cannons. I don't think HWT can take those.

Heavy stubber has already been show by the CSM book to be a one man gun and Plasma Cannons would be unlikely. Plus, GW JUST re-released the HWT, which would not have any new guns.

**Swastakowey**

portugus wrote:
Ah then the multi-laser is out :p can't have cool upgrades can we.

just think it would be cool to have a weapon that goes with your main rifle. They all run on batteries so IN THEORY you could share a lot of the ammo and so on.

**Smitty**

So, does anyone think that missile launchers are going to get flak missiles? As a man of missile spam, the opportunity...enthralls me...

**krazynadechukr**

General Hobbs wrote:
krazynadechukr wrote:
What does the wyvern look like?

Wyverns are usually dragon like creatures without the forelegs. Assuming your typical Dragon has 4 legs and wings. Technically Smaug in The Hobbit is a Wyvern.

**Bubbles**

A Heavy Stubber or Multi-Laser team would be pretty sweet.

Also in those White Dwarf rules posted some time ago for the Tempestus units, it said the command squad could take a medi-pack for only 15 points. I don't suppose this may also mean that CCS and PCS can take them for 15 as well. If so then maybe people will warm up to them a bit more. I certainly like the idea of having medics in my army, but 30 points is so off putting.

**Kanluwen**

Swastakowey wrote:
portugus wrote:
Ah then the multi-laser is out :p can't have cool upgrades can we.

just think it would be cool to have a weapon that goes with your main rifle. They all run on batteries so IN THEORY you could share a lot of the ammo and so on.

No, you can't.

Multi-lasers can't just be "loaded" with lasgun ammo. Same goes with Lascannons.

They require a complex regulating system for the charge so that it doesn't overheat and explode.

**Bubbles**

Smitty wrote:
So, does anyone think that missile launchers are going to get flak missiles? As a man of missile spam, the opportunity...enthralls me...

I don't see why not, I think most infantry missile launchers can be upgraded to take them in most codices, and I can't imagine them neglecting the IG's missile launchers.

**kir44n**

Heavy Weapons teams with Plasma Cannons would be amusing, and more useful than plasma guns. A single gets hot has a decent chance to kill your guardsman. But on a HWT, you'd only lose 1 wound, so you could fail more Plasma Cannon failures.

But, like how others have pointed out, I don't think they would have made the plastic HWT's available already if they were adding new weapon options.

**Swastakowey**

Kanluwen wrote:
Swastakowey wrote:
portugus wrote:
Ah then the multi-laser is out :p can't have cool upgrades can we.

just think it would be cool to have a weapon that goes with your main rifle. They all run on batteries so IN THEORY you could share a lot of the ammo and so on.

No, you can't.

Multi-lasers can't just be "loaded" with lasgun ammo. Same goes with Lascannons.

They require a complex regulating system for the charge so that it doesn't overheat and explode.

My multilasers in my army use a chain of lasgun packs.

The best thing about the IG. Nothing is absolute. My army has compatible battery packs for its weapons if I want them to. Just like my lasguns are bolt action if I want them to be.

**Happygrunt**

Sir Bubbles wrote:
A Heavy Stubber or Multi-Laser team would be pretty sweet.

Also in those White Dwarf rules posted some time ago for the Tempestus units, it said the command squad could take a medi-pack for only 15 points. I don't suppose this may also mean that CCS and PCS can take them for 15 as well. If so then maybe people will warm up to them a bit more. I certainly like the idea of having medics in my army, but 30 points is so off putting.

If they go to 5 points (as it is listed in my digital copy of WD) then I am definitely adding them to my CCS. Not the most competitive option, but I like the idea of a medic being present to make sure the CO survives the fight.

And I run plasma guns a lot, so FNP saves would be rad.

**portugus**

Yeah giving up a special weapon slot for FNP on a T3 model is still not the best option but at least it moves it into the realm of "I might actually buy that" for a CCS that sits back with a standard near HWTs.

**Zengu**

Some other rumor from a while back I just remember was about the tech priest becoming elites. Could that still happen? More importantly is there anyway they could be good. I love the idea of the tech priest but you know its a waste of points at their current level.

**MWHistorian**

That new artillery piece...(LOL!) Wow, what were they thinking?
GW design team member #1: Hey, I think think the IG...
#2. Astra Militarum...or something.
#1. Sorry, er...AM, I think the AM needs another artillery piece.
#2. Great! Maybe something that can keep them up with the over powered army lists already out there.
#1. Exactly. I was thinking that it can ignore cover.
#2. Fantastic. That would go a long way to keep them in the running.
#1. And its a small blast radius.
#2. Small? Oh, Ok, so it's really powerful then? Like a small blast but ST 9, AP 1 or something?
#1. Um, no. Not exactly. I was thinking, heavy support, small blast, low strength. Sounds awesome, right?
#2. You lost me.
#1. It'll be awesome. Trust me. It'll be as awesome as Mutilators!
(#1runs off to go tell the corporate suits the good news. #2 questions his life.)

**schadenfreude**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Happygrunt wrote:
The nice part would be they are still in the IA:1 book. So might be able to still take them, but would need an expansion.

I certainly hope this isn't the case though.

Of course the funny part will be coming against those TFG's who refuse to play against Forge World even though the Griffon uses the same rules that were in the Guard Codex up until a week before the game.

schadenfreude wrote:
Given it's humble price tag I don't think it deserves as much flakk as it's receiving. Overall I think the rules for it are written well, and it's a well balanced unit. That being said I don't think it will be seen often because HS a very competitive force org slot that many IG players have already over filled with more tanks than they can field in 3 force org slots.

Three things:

1. We don't know how 'well' the rules are written yet, as none of us have seen them. It could be a badly worded contradictory entry.
2. It's a slightly better Mortar. I don't recall a Guard commander ever saying "Damn. I wish I had more Mortars, and I realy wish they took up Heavy Support slots!".
3. Points are not the great leveller. Wouldn't matter how cheap something was if it wasn't useful and/or competed for slots with something more useful. This thing appears to do both, so the unit is dead on arrival (from what we know of the rules).

schadenfreude wrote:
Overall I'm going to say it was a good idea because it's really just a couple of tiny bits added to a hydra kit, and people are going to buy hydra kits so they can build hydras.

And they could've put in a three piece modular barrel. One piece = Medusa (large barrel), two piece = Griffon (medium barrel), three piece = Basilisk (long barrel). That would have solved so many issues.

It would be rather easy to make a 4 model modular kit for the Medusa, Colossus, Griffon, and Basilisk with minimal waste of plastic, packaging, and excessive mold making. Those barrels scream out that they can be modular. It would on the other hand waste a ton of plastic to also include the Hydra.

Points are always the great leveler. If Wyverns were to cost 30 points each in the current rules as we know them then a squad of 3 would out dakka a necron annihilation barge and it would be a common sight for IG players to include 9 of them. Tau Eldar and SM players would scream bloody murder that 30 points is criminally under priced.

**H.B.M.C.**

schadenfreude wrote:
Points are always the great leveler. If Wyverns were to cost 30 points each in the current rules as we know them then a squad of 3 would out dakka a necron annihilation barge and it would be a common sight for IG players to include 9 of them. Tau Eldar and SM players would scream bloody murder that 30 points is criminally under priced.

No they're not. Some things are worth more than the sum of their parters, others less. Some things are so bad (and compete with other better things) that making them cheaper doesn't help. On the flip side, some things are so overpowered or scale so badly that how expensive you make them isn't an issue.

On a totally unrelated note, where's that quote in your sig from?

**schadenfreude**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
schadenfreude wrote:
Points are always the great leveler. If Wyverns were to cost 30 points each in the current rules as we know them then a squad of 3 would out dakka a necron annihilation barge and it would be a common sight for IG players to include 9 of them. Tau Eldar and SM players would scream bloody murder that 30 points is criminally under priced.

No they're not. Some things are worth more than the sum of their parters, others less. Some things are so bad (and compete with other better things) that making them cheaper doesn't help. On the flip side, some things are so overpowered or scale so badly that how expensive you make them isn't an issue.

On a totally unrelated note, where's that quote in your sig from?

Littlefinger from game of thrones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRS8a8HjqFs

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I think the design process of the Wyvern was initially a modeling inspiration of adding 4 mortars to a hydra chassis to make a non forge world version of a thudd gun. Because plastic would be so minimal it was probably easy to get the green light for the Wyvern. My best guess is that an early playtest versions came with 2 stormshard mortars because 4 barrels usually means 4 shots, but then during playtesting somone thought it was too good and they nerfed it's firepower down to 2 shots.

If it had a TL stormshard or a piar of stormshards it would be really good. If it had a pair of TL stormshards it would be stupid OP.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Sir Bubbles wrote:
A Heavy Stubber or Multi-Laser team would be pretty sweet.

I've wanted Heavy Stubbers available in a special weapon slot forever. I doubt we'll get them though since the Not Storm Troopers didn't have any.

**Zengu**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Sir Bubbles wrote:
A Heavy Stubber or Multi-Laser team would be pretty sweet.

I've wanted Heavy Stubbers available in a special weapon slot forever. I doubt we'll get them though since the Not Storm Troopers didn't have any.

While unlikely I looked and Death corps can take a twin-linked heavy Stubber. I wouldn't mind a twin-linked Multi laser... might be a little op idk.

**Uriels_Flame**

I just picked up the last copies of Creed, Kell, and Yarrick in metal at our local stores. They have almost nothing on the wall in the clam shell.

Here's hoping Creed can have gunslinger, since he's modeled after Patton!

Just had a feeling....

And thanks, Kyoto for the new "Codex" review sig. Still laughing.

**Happygrunt**

Uriels_Flame wrote:
I just picked up the last copies of Creed, Kell, and Yarrick in metal at our local stores. They have almost nothing on the wall in the clam shell.

Here's hoping Creed can have gunslinger, since he's modeled after Patton!

Just had a feeling....

And thanks, Kyoto for the new "Codex" review sig. Still laughing.

If he has two pistols, and the rules say he has two pistols, then he has gunslinger.

As of now though, I think his pistol is twin linked.

**Archilus**

Happygrunt wrote:
Uriels_Flame wrote:
I just picked up the last copies of Creed, Kell, and Yarrick in metal at our local stores. They have almost nothing on the wall in the clam shell.

Here's hoping Creed can have gunslinger, since he's modeled after Patton!

Just had a feeling....

And thanks, Kyoto for the new "Codex" review sig. Still laughing.

If he has two pistols, and the rules say he has two pistols, then he has gunslinger.

As of now though, I think his pistol is twin linked.

Yea, it is, but how does he get the opportunity to use it anyway? I mostly hope they make him a bit cheaper. He is pretty good especially tactical genius is just epic fun sometimes, but he is too expensive, I mean for 135pts you can have almost 3 normal command squads.

**Lone Cat**

TheSilo wrote:
Lone Cat wrote:
Mr.Omega wrote:

I am really liking the rules for the Taurox Prime. For 95 points (Gatling+Heavy Stubber upgrades) you get 4 S4 AP3 shots, 10 TL S4 AP- shots, and 3 S4 AP6 shots, all at a glorious BS4. Maybe not quite a Venom, but still quite beastly.

145 points for a Scion Command Squad with full plasma has been making my eyes water, a bit late to the anti-Riptide crisis but still quite nice nonetheless. Combined with a Servo Skull Inquisitor and Psyoccolum, well the unit becomes basically broken.

D6 scatter from a servo skull, fire at a unit with Psykers in, like a psychic MC, or Farseer unit, or anything, and wipe them out with BS10 plasma.

1. What is "Hotshot Volleygun"? is it SAW version of Lasrifle? (or smaller Multilaser)
2. Ability to load an entire unit of Infantry/Scion section and being an ATV that ignores all failed rough terrain test makes it superior to Chimaera, in the other words. this is Stryker of the 41st Millenium
or isn't it?

You can just put a dozer blade on your chimera to re-roll terrain tests.

But Taurox has speed advantages that's not available to kitty mera meow~
1. does this mean that Taurox are all 'equipped with rought terrain modifications' from the start?
2. Three access points.. one on the rear, and two by the hull. Does it makes IG-versions of Rhino?

**CthuluIsSpy**

Lone Cat wrote:

But Taurox has speed advantages that's not available tokitty mera meow~
Also does this mean that Taurox are all 'equipped with rought terrain modifications' from the start?

That pun was so bad it gave me nurgle's rot...

1) It's a special rule, so yes.

2) Yes.

**Lone Cat**

Normal Taurox. still overdecorated to be joes vehicle. but will it gets gatling punisher too?

**CthuluIsSpy**

Lone Cat wrote:

Normal Taurox. still overdecorated to be joes vehicle. but will it gets gatling punisher too?

Nope. Only primes get all of the fancy weapons.

Standard Tauroxi just get autocannons.

**Lone Cat**

Even then this picture (which it's official) told us that on Normal Taurox, Autocannons can be mounted on the sponson. I don't know that is this just a 'hardpoints swap' feature or it can have pintle mounted weapons on the same position? meow

JB

The codex entry says that the normal Taurox just has a twin-linked autocannon with no weapon upgrade options.

I foresee some arguments about which targets are actually in LOS by the TL autocannon. TFG is going to argue that targets on one side of the Taurox where the autocannon on the opposite side does not have LOS cannot be shot by both autocannons so the TL doesn't count.

For simplicity's sake, I would argue that if one autocannon can see you, then it is a TL shot. Otherwise, we'll just spend the game arguing LOS.

**Paradigm**

New orders seem cool. Precision shots with that many chances to roll 6s might end up being better than one expects (basically making the whole squad pseudo-snipers). The Shoot-run one is nice, I've always liked the idea of Al'Rahem but have not often stomached the cost. Having it free would be great. It also provides an answer to those 'run or shoot' moments: Both.

Hoping that GBITF stays, though, as that's handy.

**krazynadechukr**

I had to ignore that "meow" poster, ugh. Btw, I saw his link in profile and it redirects you to a porn site. Mods, anything we can do?