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Hmm. Buy a hydra/wyvern kit, get a hydra and the bits to make a thudd gun.

 pretre wrote:
Hmm. Buy a hydra/wyvern kit, get a hydra and the bits to make a thudd gun.

Actually, the Wyvern looks like it is the Hydra just minus the barrel extensions. So no thudd gun, but it should be trivially easy to swap the barrels in and out to switch between the two tanks.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Hmm. Buy a hydra/wyvern kit, get a hydra and the bits to make a thudd gun.

Actually, the Wyvern looks like it is the Hydra just minus the barrel extensions. So no thudd gun, but it should be trivially easy to swap the barrels in and out to switch between the two tanks.

Darn. Magnetization ho!

 notprop wrote:

 Lone Cat wrote:
The new vehicle. "Wyvern" looks very 'new'. it looks nothing historical and it is quite like mounting Thudd gun on Chimaera chassis and its functions suppressed Griffon. nice!

Spoiler:

Or did anyone try this thing in WW2? how good it is?

Not quite the same but the closest I can think of is the Matilda Hedgehog mounting 7 x 65lb mortars. It was a development of the Royal Navy's anti-submarine weapons system of the same name..



An Aussie idea, completed in 1945 but didn't make it into combat. Supposedly would have been devastating against bunkers? So very different to a IG mortar.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 notprop wrote:
Is the HB turret already in the Chimera MK2 kit?

I guess so from the lack of comments.

HA! As soon as I saw that I went and checked too. Yes, it's part of the kit now. I was just as surprised.

Good so long as I wasn't the only one. Embarrassingly I own one!

in my defence it is converted to a Griffon so no turrent.

In the new codex. Griffon should become cheaper so to make it more attractive
The Matilda shown here is indeed differed to Wyvern, it's thicker, it has SOME antitank ability added. yet it uses smaller mortar launching systems. Wyvern might be built as spigot heavy mortar too!
the weapon is .. I THINK. intended to fight Imperium Iaponia

 Ravajaxe wrote:
Hydra was the only unit with a skyfire ability that cannot be switched off (and still is). The rule twist was purposely and solely made to nerf Hydra's blatant unbalance, while an appropriate in-codex pricing would have avoided the issue.

Don't the Space Marine AA tanks have unswitchable skyfire too?

Worrisome is the notion that you'll be able to field an Armored Company. I remember the dark days of 3rd edition with the IG Armored Company being all kinds of broken, only this time around you don't need to ask permission before you play it.

 tuebor wrote:

 Moopy wrote:
AM = IG = confusing.
There was really no point in muddying things up. : /

I really don't get why people are so confused by this. We've dealt with Space Marines being Adeptus Astartes for years, same with Sisters of Battle being Adepta Sororitas.

Correct: Today noone even remembers that they were called Space Marines back then, because every kid just calls them Adeptus Astartes

BTW did the term "Astra Militarum" or "Militarum Tempestus" appear in any official GW or BL text before March this year?

You don't think orders like "Fowards for the Emperor" will work on tanks do you? That would be diryt like a riptide with hit and run. Battle tank 72'' way blast a squad of marines then moves back into cover....

Rough Riders, Sentinals & Ogryn no longer available for purchase. Does this mean our least useful Fast Attacks are gone?! I hope not :(

Sentinel is gone from FA on the GW USA site.
Edit: So is the Cadian Battleforce...Catachan is still there, though.

Zengu wrote:
You don't think orders like "Fowards for the Emperor" will work on tanks do you? That would be diryt like a riptide with hit and run. Battle tank 72'' way blast a squad of marines then moves back into cover....

Vehicles can't run, so I expect that one to not work on vehicles.

 PuddlePirate wrote:
Rough Riders, Sentinals & Ogryn no longer available for purchase. Does this mean our least useful Fast Attacks are gone?! I hope not :(

Sentinels will be back. Ogryn we knew were coming. But Rough Rides? That would make plastic kit #5 if that was true.

Personally, that would be kind of a disappointing fifth kit.

 Happygrunt wrote:
Personally, that would be kind of a disappointing fifth kit.

Speak for yourself! Plastic rough riders with decent rules would be awesome as hell.

Sentinel is still on the GW UK site. Rough Riders are gone but have been for ages. There's only one Ogryn, the Techpriests and Ratlings and Marbo left in elites.

 pretre wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
Personally, that would be kind of a disappointing fifth kit.

Speak for yourself! Plastic rough riders with decent rules would be awesome as hell.

This this this this this.

I really, really want Rough Riders to go with my light infantry.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Zengu wrote:
You don't think orders like "Fowards for the Emperor" will work on tanks do you? That would be diryt like a riptide with hit and run. Battle tank 72'' way blast a squad of marines then moves back into cover....

Vehicles can't run, so I expect that one to not work on vehicles.

Im pretty sure vehicles have orders rumours of their own, cant remember where i read them though.

 pretre wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
Personally, that would be kind of a disappointing fifth kit.

Speak for yourself! Plastic rough riders with decent rules would be awesome as hell.

I was speaking for myself?

I get that new models with good rules would be awesome for rough riders, but they really don't serve a purpose in my army, hence why I would prefer a new flyer or tank over some cavalry.

 Happygrunt wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
Personally, that would be kind of a disappointing fifth kit.

Speak for yourself! Plastic rough riders with decent rules would be awesome as hell.

I was speaking for myself?

I get that new models with good rules would be awesome for rough riders, but they really don't serve a purpose in my army, hence why I would prefer a new flyer or tank over some cavalry.

Right, it was a turn of phrase.

 pretre wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
Personally, that would be kind of a disappointing fifth kit.

Speak for yourself! Plastic rough riders with decent rules would be awesome as hell.

I was speaking for myself?

I get that new models with good rules would be awesome for rough riders, but they really don't serve a purpose in my army, hence why I would prefer a new flyer or tank over some cavalry.

Right, it was a turn of phrase.

Gotcha. Should probably wake up before browsing the internet.

404: Brain not found.

Just call it codex imperial guard FFS.

I don't play 40k anymore but I do love a lot of the fluff, collect still and try to import parts into other systems

Pretty underwhelmed by these releases, (love the tash and beret heads in the storm troopers but would have liked a less ornate look to them)

The forgeworld hydra looked better in my opinion.

Not going to dignify talking to the armoured car

Where's my plastic thunderbolt fighter?

So... still no love for the Praetorians, eh?

I suppose all the units being removed are solely for a repackaging/rebranding reason.

chaos0xomega wrote:
So... still no love for the Praetorians, eh?

Hey, I like'em Red coats!

Okay, I'm sorry if I'm a bit late to this, but are they completely retconning the name "Imperial Guard" from existence or are they just making the names interchangeable; with the "Astra Militarum" being the new name primarily associated with the IG?

 Darth Bob wrote:
Okay, I'm sorry if I'm a bit late to this, but are they completely retconning the name "Imperial Guard" from existence or are they just making the names interchangeable; with the "Astra Militarum" being the new name primarily associated with the IG?

In the first paragraph of the Militarum Tempestus WD it explicitly says "Astra Militarum" followed by "otherwise known as the Imperial Guard".

I wish people would stop whining about this, its so trivial its unreal.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 Darth Bob wrote:
Okay, I'm sorry if I'm a bit late to this, but are they completely retconning the name "Imperial Guard" from existence or are they just making the names interchangeable; with the "Astra Militarum" being the new name primarily associated with the IG?

In the first paragraph of the Militarum Tempestus WD it explicitly says "Astra Militarum" followed by "otherwise known as the Imperial Guard".

I wish people would stop whining about this, its so trivial its unreal.

I'm not whining, I just asked a question. Sorry I missed the paragraph.

The Azz-Mil is not trivial, comrade.

Meow

 PuddlePirate wrote:
Rough Riders, Sentinals & Ogryn no longer available for purchase. Does this mean our least useful Fast Attacks are gone?! I hope not :(

They haven't been available for purchase for a while now and even when they were they were last updated visually before Bush Sr. was president, cell phones were the size of cereal boxes, and space marines still culled planets of adult criminals for new recruits. My guess is that they're simply gone and RR will be relegated to whatever is in FW books. As someone who used them extensively in 3rd edition, I hope I'm wrong and that I can unbin my models for the first time since the current codex was released after trying them once.

 Darth Bob wrote:
Okay, I'm sorry if I'm a bit late to this, but are they completely retconning the name "Imperial Guard" from existence or are they just making the names interchangeable; with the "Astra Militarum" being the new name primarily associated with the IG?

At the moment IG and AM are being used in the WD articles. We'll see what GW's intentions are when we get to read the actual Codex.

So Sentinels are gone from the GW site. Does this mean a new kit? Are they being made viable? Are they gone from the army all together?

Theyre one of my favorite models in the range and I was really hoping they'd get more table time with the new codex. Back to release anxiety it seems. Eeep.

EDIT: Also looks like the only remaining ogryn is the bone 'ead.

 JoeRugby wrote:

Where's my plastic thunderbolt fighter?

Rumor of one more kit for IG/ST; possible flier.

Though if the Valk/Vend rumor is true, may be not needed but cool.

I would paint them directly like P-51 mustangs.

 Darth Bob wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 Darth Bob wrote:
Okay, I'm sorry if I'm a bit late to this, but are they completely retconning the name "Imperial Guard" from existence or are they just making the names interchangeable; with the "Astra Militarum" being the new name primarily associated with the IG?

In the first paragraph of the Militarum Tempestus WD it explicitly says "Astra Militarum" followed by "otherwise known as the Imperial Guard".

I wish people would stop whining about this, its so trivial its unreal.

I'm not whining, I just asked a question. Sorry I missed the paragraph.

After their publicly failed attempt to bully the exclusive use of Space Marine for themselves, they've apparently decided to switch to more obscure latin names for most imperial things that they can trademark more easily.