IG/Astra Militarum Rumours for April (first post updated 12th April)

Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:

No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.

If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

**Peregrine**

korghan wrote:
To assume that you can make 100% of of your customer base happy is kind of silly.

Nobody is expecting that. We're just expecting GW to make most of its customers happy. Right now they aren't even coming close to that. If you ignore the kids buying space marines because they're SO COOL and look at older players with higher standards there are a lot of very unhappy customers, and a lot more than aren't exactly thrilled with what they're getting but just haven't decided to ragequit yet. GW's position here seems to be "who cares if we make 90% of our customers unhappy tomorrow as long as we sell an extra 5% today".

Things aren't so bad!

What exactly isn't bad? The rules are garbage, the models are inconsistent, the prices are absurd, and GW doesn't seem to have any plan for the future beyond the next financial report. I honestly can't see anything in this release that should be praised.

**Zuul**

I'm honestly just a bit heartbroken that there is no plastic medusa on the way. On top of that it's looking like that rumour of FW in store won't be happening. :(

**Kirasu**

Zuul wrote:
I'm honestly just a bit heartbroken that there is no plastic medusa on the way. On top of that it's looking like that rumour of FW in store won't be happening. :(

Uh what are you talking about.. a "medusa"? I didn't realize GW was in the business of greek mythology. Is that a homebrew IG vehicle or something? Me..du..sa? I don't understand. You must mean a WYVERN, yes that's the vehicle you want to buy.

**schadenfreude**

Biophysical wrote:
Schadenfreude: I think blobs still have a place even with dirt cheap Conscripts.

A.) They can take a single priest for the re-rolls. They don't need multiple prayers as badly to be good at fighting, but just getting Hatred really ups their killing power.

B.) Sergeants can protect the Priests from challenges.

C.) Shooting is a lot better. I know you said this, but it matters, and so it's a reason to take blobs. Especially since you're much more likely to bring all your shooting to bear more often than all your close-combat power.

D.) Sergeants can take Meltabombs (presumably)

Also, the blob's killing power is more concentrated, but also vulnerable, so it's a wash.

I think the close-combat blob isn't what you really want, though. You make a shooty blob that beats down the survivors in close combat.

Trade in your 5 power weapons (75 points) and some change for 5 Meltabombs and a divination Inquisitor. You put out a wall of light, followed up by a horrific stand and shoot. You don't need to be better at combat against whatever is left after the lasgun fusillade. Meltabombs mean you can't get bogged down in close combat by MCs and walkers. Massed S3 re-rolled to hit means anything you can hurt will be quickly reduced. If you have the points, a priest for getting Shred is just icing on the cake.

That being said, rad grenade inquisitor + Smashing Eviscerator armed Priest = Instakilling T6 models. Stupid but awesome.

Smash and a power maul cap out at S10 with hammer hand. I'm not sure if we get eviscerators, and if we do they would probably want 25 points for one.

A single priest with shred is all a unit really needs to become super deadly

In order to get conscripts an AM player needs to buy 20 guardsmen. I think it will be normal to see some 30 and 40 blobs near a giant conscript unit. Each unit will probably have a single priest for fearless. If a unit gets too shot up the priest can ditch it. If a unit is going to get an uber charge priests can detach and join the unit that's about to charge.

**Miguelsan**

Kirasu wrote:
Zuul wrote:
I'm honestly just a bit heartbroken that there is no plastic medusa on the way. On top of that it's looking like that rumour of FW in store won't be happening. :(

Uh what are you talking about.. a "medusa"? I didn't realize GW was in the business of greek mythology. Is that a homebrew IG vehicle or something? Me..du..sa? I don't understand. You must mean a WYVERN, yes that's the vehicle you want to buy.

Unfortunately this is so true in some shops.

M.

**Biophysical**

I assume Eviscerators will be 25 points as well, but that's only 10 points more than a power maul, doesn't require a Smash song to get AP2, and doesn't require you to give up Divination for Hammerhand. Also, it's a 6-foot chainsaw-sword, so your argument is irrelevant

. Really, though, no matter the equipment, Priests are going to rock.

**Mysterious Pants**

Peregrine wrote:

Things aren't so bad!

What exactly isn't bad? The rules are garbage, the models are inconsistent, the prices are absurd, and GW doesn't seem to have any plan for the future beyond the next financial report. I honestly can't see anything in this release that should be praised.

I agree, a lot is bad.

But I think there's good. Example: Bullgryns. They're going to be actually useful, and have a special ability that combos with other troops. I can't wait to build my own Bullgryns and use them.

I mean, Ogryns that are worth using! Who'da thunk it?

**Zuul**

Kirasu wrote:
Zuul wrote:
I'm honestly just a bit heartbroken that there is no plastic medusa on the way. On top of that it's looking like that rumour of FW in store won't be happening. :(

Uh what are you talking about.. a "medusa"? I didn't realize GW was in the business of greek mythology. Is that a homebrew IG vehicle or something? Me..du..sa? I don't understand. You must mean a WYVERN, yes that's the vehicle you want to buy.

The Legion does not use this weaksauce wyvren you speak of. I need me some plastic phosphex lobbers darn it!

**Foolheart**

Am I the only one that thinks the new commissar's sword would look better as the head of a polearm? I am feeling a conversion coming on.

Looking at the rumors, I think Pask in a Punisher Russ is going to be an auto take for most folks backed up by either power blobs/conscripts baby sat by priest and inquisitors.

I am wondering if tech priests are in and if they have any different rules. With the rumored buff to Pask and cheaper Ruses they may be useful.

**Miguelsan**

I need Kid Kyoto's skills to make a funny photoshop for my sig saying something like Dataslate Artillery for all those AM Comandantus that want to blow stuff. Coming soon for only 30€

M.

**Commissar Benny**

Peregrine wrote:
korghan wrote:
To assume that you can make 100% of of your customer base happy is kind of silly.

Nobody is expecting that. We're just expecting GW to make most of its customers happy. Right now they aren't even coming close to that. If you ignore the kids buying space marines because they're SO COOL and look at older players with higher standards there are a lot of very unhappy customers, and a lot more than aren't exactly thrilled with what they're getting but just haven't decided to ragequit yet. GW's position here seems to be "who cares if we make 90% of our customers unhappy tomorrow as long as we sell an extra 5% today".

Things aren't so bad!

What exactly isn't bad? The rules are garbage, the models are inconsistent, the prices are absurd, and GW doesn't seem to have any plan for the future beyond the next financial report. I honestly can't see anything in this release that should be praised.

I'm trying really really hard not to perceive the new guard update poorly but I share the same perspective as you on most accounts. I'm seeing very few improvements in the new codex. Everyone keeps praising pask but that is 1 strategy. What about things like Marbo/Chenkov/Chimeras/Vendettas etc etc etc. We essentially went from having lots of viable strategies to a handful. Everyone also keeps bringing up Scions. While scions also look interesting as far as I am concerned they were not apart of the IG update. They have their own dex & can be used by half the armies in the game, so to say its a boon to IG is moot.

Here is the thing. I've lost confidence as a consumer. Sure I could go out & buy 5 Taurox or w/e & play the FoTM game. Why the h*ll would I do that though knowing the next update they will get the chimera treatment or worse, the marbo treatment....I'm not going to pay hundreds of dollars for models that are either going to be removed entirely from the game or unplayable due to price increases so GW can sell more models of the same niche.

**Lone Cat**

Kroothawk wrote:
New pics from the Codex leaked:
http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.de/
E.g.:

Sir Arun wrote:
So let me get this straight:

1) Chenkov is gone
2) Al Rahem is gone
3) Bastonne is gone
4) Harker is gone
5) Sly Marbo is gone
6) The Griffon is gone
7) The awesome Colossus is gone
8) The Medusa is gone
9) The Penal Legion is gone
10) The Psyker Battle squad has been turned from a pretty cool, useful unit into a complete mess of a unit that is utterly unpredictable

...and we should buy a codex that also has a silly name on top of all this? Tell me IG players arent getting shafted right now. Next codex we could remove the Whirlwind for SM players and see how they react.

Currently Codices are all about reducing options to support the massive wave of (now or soon) discontinued metal and Finecast models, only slightly countered by the release of one or two new units noone needs.
And do you really think that all 50 Space Marine HQ models will keep rules in the next Codex?

Still a Polish hussar and no Cuirassier mew! 'Armadura Antifrag' is spanish for 'Flak Armor' (i think)

**portugus**

Well they have a 5+ armor save so your Spanish is good...for a cat.

**pongo50**

The missing/ removed units will return in various expansion army/ books.
Ie: catachans, armoured fist, steel legion, etc......

This way Cadians can team up with steel legion or who ever!

**Lobokai**

Calling it now... Wyvern will be auto include in 1 month. The thing is a beast. Really no jk. Put me on record as having said it. I think it will top whirlwinds and TFcannons for sure.

**pongo50**

This will drive sales...IA books...Expanions... As IG players will need them all

**monkeypuzzle**

Well, assuming that the medusa is gone (still only have rumour, not proof of this) then my two traitor guard medusa conversions (chaos hell cannons on the back of chimera hulls) will become count as manticores instead. Giant flaming shells rather than missiles. Still strength 10 hopefully, just with longer range and higher ap.

I thought about making them basilisks but I really want the S10. I don't want to pay ~£65 for the forgeworld book (including p&p) either. Saying just use the old codex rules as some have suggested doesn't appeal to me. I want to be able to show my opponent the rules not just claim "They are the same as this!"

**Red__Thirst**

pongo50 wrote:
This will drive sales...IA books...Expanions... As IG players will need them all

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA1update28AUG.pdf

You're welcome

-Red__Thirst-

**Bull0**

pongo50 wrote:
The missing/ removed units will return in various expansion army/ books.
Ie: catachans, armoured fist, steel legion, etc......

This way Cadians can team up with steel legion or who ever!

Mm, it's a shame about all the Steel Legion they removed from the 5th edition book. And the catachan characters that all the rumours say are still in the book.

There is a general point to be made - if it's true some artillery are gone then that's a problem - but don't make stuff up to support it, that only undermines your point.

**Yodhrin**

plastictrees wrote:
Blacksails wrote:
rothrich wrote:
whining

Criticism is not whining.

I hope Omega is paid well by GW.

"Incompetent morons ! Screeeeee!!" Is not criticism.

Differing opinions doesn't make someone a stooge. Stop being such ridiculous parodies of gamers and have a normal damn discussion.

You can't have a normal discussion with the wargaming equivalent of the Iraqi Information Minister; "There are no problems with Hydras! The nerf they have undergone was necessary and proportionate, and also they are still just as good as they always have been!"

**WonderAliceLand**

I too, am angered and confused by change.

Seriously though, removing all that artillery and characters is ridiculous. As for the vendetta (that nobody is talking about), at 170pts, I can pay 30pts more to get AV12 with TL lascannon, TL multi melta, and 2 str8 ap2 missiles a turn with the storm raven, or upgrade that another 25pts and get TL Laz,, 2 str8 ap2, and 2 str8 ap3 a turn. Oh, and it transports 12 models, and it has POTMS, and it has ceramite plating, and it is an assault vehicle, and it can take a dreadnought. The vendetta now is just terrible, especially when taking non-imperium flyers into account.

Edit: it is also BS4, and can take an amazing formation with 2 storm talons.

**monkeypuzzle**

Red__Thirst wrote:
pongo50 wrote:
This will drive sales...IA books...Expanions... As IG players will need them all

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA1update28AUG.pdf

You're welcome

-Red__Thirst-

If only that link worked for me, but it says "this page does not exist anymore" when I try.

**Red__Thirst**

monkeypuzzle wrote:

If only that link worked for me, but it says "this page does not exist anymore" when I try.

Odd... Works just fine on my computer here.

Here's the google search link:

https://www.google.com/#q=Forgeworld+Imperial+Armor+volume+1+update

The very first result is this link:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA1update28AUG.pdf

It opens up as a .pdf file without issue here. I don't know why it wouldn't work on your end :(

PM me your email and I'll try and forward you the .pdf that way.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

**AllSeeingSkink**

Ryan_A wrote:
I too, am angered and confused by change.

Seriously though, removing all that artillery and characters is ridiculous. As for the vendetta (that nobody is talking about), at 170pts, I can pay 30pts more to get AV12 with TL lascannon, TL multi melta, and 2 str8 ap2 missiles a turn with the storm raven, or upgrade that another 25pts and get TL Laz,, 2 str8 ap2, and 2 str8 ap3 a turn. Oh, and it transports 12 models, and it has POTMS, and it has ceramite plating, and it is an assault vehicle, and it can take a dreadnought. The vendetta now is just terrible, especially when taking non-imperium flyers into account.

Edit: it is also BS4, and can take an amazing formation with 2 storm talons.

Well you only have 4 missiles total, so the SR can lay down a lot of firepower for 2 turns, then it's left just with it's TL Las and TL Multimelta. I'd say that's close to equivalent firepower to the Vendetta, so you're paying 30pts for the extra BS and transport capacity. The Vendetta isn't an awesome deal like it used to be, but I think it's in the ballpark of all the other flyers in the game.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Red__Thirst wrote:
pongo50 wrote:
This will drive sales...IA books...Expanions... As IG players will need them all

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA1update28AUG.pdf

You're welcome

-Red__Thirst-

Aren't those rules outdated?

**Red__Thirst**

Yes they are, but they are verbatim from the Imperial Armor vol. 1, and they do allow you to at least field the Griffon Heavy Mortar, and the Medusa Siege Mortar using the I.A. 1 rules. Providing your opponent doesn't mind of course.

Not saying it's perfect, but you can print this off and keep it with the new codex for now, pending a supplement is released that may include the Griffon, Medusa, and Colossus. (I can only hope for that at this point, though I don't relish the thought of spending 40+ dollars on a book just to be able to field a pair of Griffons).

Take it easy for now.

-Red__Thirst-

**xole**

I'm going to hold my breath before I move my "IG fund" to my "alcohol fund" but the loss of our artillery, as well as so many characters, was definitely a cutting blow.

Even if our current stuff gets broken or op, I feel like a lost of flavor is lot without resorting to FW.

**schadenfreude**

Marbo and harker have a decent chance of making it into a dataslate/minidex.

Chenkov can just be a regular jr officer now. At 3 points per model who's going to pay 5th ed prices for send in the next wave?

**Herzlos**

schadenfreude wrote:
Marbo and harker have a decent chance of making it into a dataslate/minidex.

I really hope they are in the book, otherwise it'll be a real test of my not buying DLC resolve. I think that if it's going to cost me more than £30*/edition to use my army, then I'm out.

*Which is already double what I'd *want* to pay.

**WonderAliceLand**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Ryan_A wrote:
I too, am angered and confused by change.

Seriously though, removing all that artillery and characters is ridiculous. As for the vendetta (that nobody is talking about), at 170pts, I can pay 30pts more to get AV12 with TL lascannon, TL multi melta, and 2 str8 ap2 missiles a turn with the storm raven, or upgrade that another 25pts and get TL Laz,, 2 str8 ap2, and 2 str8 ap3 a turn. Oh, and it transports 12 models, and it has POTMS, and it has ceramite plating, and it is an assault vehicle, and it can take a dreadnought. The vendetta now is just terrible, especially when taking non-imperium flyers into account.

Edit: it is also BS4, and can take an amazing formation with 2 storm talons.
Well you only have 4 missiles total, so the SR can lay down a lot of firepower for 2 turns, then it's left just with it's TL Las and TL Multimelta. I'd say that's close to equivalent firepower to the Vendetta, so you're paying 30pts for the extra BS and transport capacity. The Vendetta isn't an awesome deal like it used to be, but I think it's in the ballpark of all the other flyers in the game.

Considering you wont come in til at least turn two, and you wont be able to fire very long without going off the other end or not aiming at a target, two turns of missiles is really all you need. Even if you have a turn where you would but cannot shoot your missiles because you are out, it will be late in the game, and the early firepower is what matters, especially since flyers are such a high priority. The vendetta probably wont last as near as long as the raven too. So a 1xTL Str9 ap1, 2x Str8 ap2, and 2x Str8 ap3/ 1xTL Str8 ap1 melta with BS4 will do a lot more damage than 3x TL str9 ap2 with BS3. You are basically trading 2 TL str9 ap2 shots for 4 str8 ap2/3 (or 2 str8 ap2 and 1 TL MM) which is a big plus versus fliers and even ground av. If it was just that, it would be a toss up, but adding in av12, assault vehicle, melta immunity, 12 transport capacity, POTMS, and has the ability to take a dreadnought; it is a clear-cut winner in the head-to-head.

**AllSeeingSkink**

Yeah, the firepower of the SR can do more damage against some foes, but the 3 TL Lascannons of the Vendetta are more focused. S9 AP2 vs S8 AP3 makes a big difference for taking out vehicles or TEQs or other flyers, which it the Vendetta's forte. If you drop the melta on the SR, you've also reduced its range to 24" vs the 48" for all the Vendetta's Lascannons.

I don't necessarily disagree in a pure head to head, the SR is better, but I don't think the difference is all that huge, especially when you consider the Vendetta is a 12/12/10 vehicle in an army full of 12+ armour vehicles, and now that the Vendetta is more expensive, you'll quite possibly see a couple of regular Valkyries alongside it.

IG can bring a lot of armour and that does factor in to the equation. With the increased cost of the Vendetta, I'm actually considering getting some Vultures to compliment them.