IG/Astra Militarum Rumours for April (first post updated 12th April)

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**BunkerBob**

Puscifer wrote:
Inquisitor Jex wrote:

Stuff

Nice one.

In your opinion... Can this codex be competitive?

Do we retain our artillery?

**Inquisitor Jex**

Mr.Omega wrote:

Okay, rules queries:

1) Does the Hydra have ignores jink in the Hydra autocannon profile, or anything to distinguish it from the Stalker that's 5 points more and atm looking basically a complete upgrade

2) What does Creed and Kell give you now? Kell's cost?

3) Is Nork Deddog decent?

4) Leman Russ costs?

1-Hydra got 2 twin-linked Hydra autocannon, (Heavy 2 skyfire) for 70, open-topped.

2-Creed can issue 3 orders/turn, failed orders MUST be re-rolled; he also go 2 hot-shot laspistol, no word on being twin-linked, so gunsligner.base for him; Kell makes a unit take the order's Ld test on his Leadership (which is 8) ONLY when he's with Creed. Kell also got the bodyguard rule (Look out -arghh!) and Sworn protector (got to do a glorious intervention when he can and auto passes the test) 80Creed/75Kell cost

3-Nork got Sworn Protector rule as well, FnP, Hammer of Wrath, look out Arrgh, Stubborn, Very bulky (no is dark in 'ere rules for him or the other 'Gryns as well) Heroic Sacrifice as the old codex (can re-roll to hit/to wound on that as well), can exchange his normal attacks in melee (4) for a single headbutt, giving +3 Str, AP3, concussive. 85 for Nork

4-Basic is 150
Exterminator 130
Vanquis 135
Eradicator 120
Demo 170
Punisher 140
Execu 155.

Also, you can do Sarge, any sarges, a gunsligner; he can take any itemS (notice the S) from the ranged Weapons list (Vet is melee AND ranged) the only basic gear that specifically states he is replacing is his CCW. for a power weapon (Vet got no specification)

**Smitty**

Does that mean sergeants can take lasGUNS?

**Bubbles**

Smitty wrote:
Does that mean sergeants can take lasGUNS?

Oh god please yes.

**BunkerBob**

I love the Punisher at 140, holy hell here comes a tank parking lot! Screw you foot soldiers,

**Chrysis**

TheSilo wrote:
Looking at pre-order for "Enhanced Edition" on iBooks. Looks like it might come with a built in army builder program!?!?

The Space Marine one did, but it was utter garbage.

**Bubbles**

Also as someone already asked, are any of the HWS weapons cheaper, or are they still priced the same?

**Mr.Omega**

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Mr.Omega wrote:

Okay, rules queries:

1) Does the Hydra have ignores jink in the Hydra autocannon profile, or anything to distinguish it from the Stalker that's 5 points more and atm looking basically a complete upgrade

2) What does Creed and Kell give you now? Kell's cost?

3) Is Nork Deddog decent?

4) Leman Russ costs?

1-Hydra got 2 twin-linked Hydra autocannon, (Heavy 2 skyfire) for 70, open-topped.

2-Creed can issue 3 orders/turn, failed orders MUST be re-rolled; he also go 2 hot-shot laspistol, no word on being twin-linked, so gunsligner.base for him; Kell makes a unit take the order's Ld test on his Leadership (which is 8) ONLY when he's with Creed. Kell also got the bodyguard rule (Look out -arghh!) and Sworn protector (got to do a glorious intervention when he can and auto passes the test) 80Creed/75Kell cost

3-Nork got Sworn Protector rule as well, FnP, Hammer of Wrath, look out Arrgh, Stubborn, Very bulky (no is dark in 'ere rules for him or the other 'Gryns as well) Heroic Sacrifice as the old codex (can re-roll to hit/to wound on that as well), can exchange his normal attacks in melee (4) for a single headbutt, giving +3 Str, AP3, concussive. 85 for Nork

4-Basic is 150
Exterminator 130
Vanquis 135
Eradicator 120
Demo 170
Punisher 140
Execu 155.

Also, you can do Sarge, any sarges, a gunsligner; he can take any itemS (notice the S) from the ranged Weapons list (Vet is melee AND ranged) the only basic gear that specifically states he is replacing is his CCW. for a power weapon (Vet got no specification)

A few more:

1) Cost of a Basilisk?

2) Techpriest?

**TheSilo**

Chrysis wrote:
TheSilo wrote:
Looking at pre-order for "Enhanced Edition" on iBooks. Looks like it might come with a built in army builder program!?!?

The Space Marine one did, but it was utter garbage.

Oh, :(....

Got a little excited there.

**Zengu**

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
So I went and got my box of scions a week late..AND I got the Codex! And I do mean Codex: not the French translation or whatever, no, the real English codex!

Some clearing:
chimeras are 65 pts, but they DO come with searchlights and smoke launchers. 2 models can fire from the hatch (Heavy weapons count as a bulky model) and 6 models can fire the lasguns on the side, called lasgun array (one on each side) They can fire at a different target as the chimera's other weapons, but all 3 on one side must fire at a single target..AND it ALWAYS fire at the chimera's BS value..so bummer for Vets, but short of having a crew stunned/shaken, you're firing BS3 instead of BS1.

Marbo is gone. Lest we forget.

Commissar rules about the execution is real: 1-2 opponent choose, 3+ you pick.

Fire on my Target now grants ignore cover instead of re-rolling successful cover saves. Bring it down gives monster/tank hunter instead of twin-linked.

Officer order range is 12inch for both senior and junior. Senoirs get 2 orders/turn instead of 1.
Creed gets 2 Warlord trait, that you can roll in 2 different warlord chart if you want.

Straken gets automcatically the one granted relentless; Harcker lost feel no pain (T3 blargh) but is also relentless (and no word that only he's got it, so you get a squad of relentless vet for +55pts)

Heavy flamer is 10pts; and (har har!) if vets don't take it, they can still sport 3 Special Weapons instead of 2.

Power fist/weapon are still 25/15 pts.

Ratlings can now shoot and run in the same shooting phase.

Heavy Weapons team are 45 pts, but since you MUST take 3 heavy weapons, the cheapest being mortars at 5 pts, there's no price change. Scout Sentinels are still 35 pts.

CCS are 60pts.
Tank commander are 30, +40 for Pask
Creed is 80, Straken is 130, gains monster hunter, smash, but 6 inch counter-charge/furious charge bubble

Platoon didn't change in price. Vets are 60.

Yes, Executiooner gains Gets Hot for main weapon..

Deathstrike can't fire first round, blast is apocalyptic blast

I skimmed the fluffly part, they seems to talk about Cadian/Catachan, the other regiments got that blurb that was in WD.

Any question ask away!

EDIT: added Creed/Straken/Harker info

What about tech priest anything different?

**Anpu42**

Rough Rider:
>I take it Rough Riders still get the Lance as standard Wargear.
>Do they still Cost the same?
>Is Gangus still an Option.

Platoons:
>Do they still use the same structure?
>How many Models and Heavy Weapons can Heavy Weapons Squads take?
>Special Weapons Squads???

**NuggzTheNinja**

Mr.Omega wrote:

Vets have been considerably buffed then, still have 3 SW's and are 60 points? Frigging hooray.

Where are you seeing this??

**Inquisitor Jex**

Arty is only the Wyvern and the Earthshaker/Mandicore (+10 pts) and Deathstrike (no change)

Heavy Flamer is not in the special weapons lists, it is an added line in the unit's gear choice (as only CCS, PCS and vets can take it) but still count as a special weapons; hence why Vets can take 3 specials if they forgo the Heavy Flamer

Hellounds and variants are back
Hell: 125
Dog 135
Wolf: 130
Multi-melta is 10 pts

DOCTRINES..are a lie. The only thing bearing the doctrines name is in the Tempestus army book, and it's only a fancy name given to the Tempestus orders (for flavour really)

Vet Sgts, can't issue orders.

Heavy Weapons costs are the same...Missile launcher is still 15 pts, +10 for flakk missiles...conscripts are like the old codex; no special weapons, 3 pts a pop, still part of a platoon. SWS starts at 30.

Sgts can't take lasGUNS; only bolt pistol/gun and plasma pistols.

As for competitive..not much changed..the orders are actually better in my opinion (got to try it first of course) the Warlords Traits are nice, short of one (CCS gains relentless..'wow') the fact that even junior officer can turn a IS with spit fire, precision shot and shoot+run is nice. base 12 inch range for everyone will mean the PCS will actually be used for more than a turn 5 objective cleaner..OH!

The old Grav chute insertion; it now happens when the Val/Ven moves MORE THAN 6 inches instead of flat out...

**TheKbob**

Are the Priests the Sisters Priests?

Vendettas 6 man deep for 170 pts?

Any pts changes for Manticores or Deathstrikes?

What special characters are in/out?

Any new models in the pictures to show off something like Rough Riders?

Can a list have two tank commanders?

Can I spam 18 Leman Russes and be all cool about it?

**Smitty**

How about Send in the Next Wave? Is it in?

**Bubbles**

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Heavy Weapons costs are the same...Missile launcher is still 15 pts

Are you talking about the cost in a Heavy Weapon Team in an Infantry Squad, or the cost in a Heavy Weapons Squad? Because in the current codex the prices for heavy weapons are different between an Infantry Squad and a HWS.

**Trickstick**

Any info you can give on the psykers, or access to divination?

**LordotKasrkin**

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

Hellounds and variants are back
Hell: 125
Dog 135
Wolf: 130
Multi-melta is 10 pts

Strange how the one that used to be the cheapest is now the most expensive!

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

The old Grav chute insertion; it now happens when the Val/Ven moves MORE THAN 6 inches instead of flat out...

Hopefully that clears up insertion when flying!

**BunkerBob**

What about Chenkov and Al'Rahem?

**NuggzTheNinja**

Jex, it sounds like a Foot Veterans list would actually be pretty badass.

What are the three options for Veterans upgrades and what do they do? Thanks in advance.

How about the Manticore, is its weapon's stats still the same?

**Mr.Omega**

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Arty is only the Wyvern and the Earthshaker/Mandicore (+10 pts) and Deathstrike (no change)

Heavy Flamer is not in the special weapons lists, it is an added line in the unit's gear choice (as only CCS, PCS and vets can take it) but still count as a special weapons; hence why Vets can take 3 specials if they forgo the Heavy Flamer

Hellounds and variants are back
Hell: 125
Dog 135
Wolf: 130
Multi-melta is 10 pts

DOCTRINES..are a lie. The only thing bearing the doctrines name is in the Tempestus army book, and it's only a fancy name given to the Tempestus orders (for flavour really)

Vet Sgts, can't issue orders.

Heavy Weapons costs are the same...Missile launcher is still 15 pts, +10 for flakk missiles...conscripts are like the old codex; no special weapons, 3 pts a pop, still part of a platoon. SWS starts at 30.

Sgts can't take lasGUNS; only bolt pistol/gun and plasma pistols.

As for competitive..not much changed..the orders are actually better in my opinion (got to try it first of course) the Warlords Traits are nice, short of one (CCS gains relentless..'wow') the fact that even junior officer can turn a IS with spit fire, precision shot and shoot+run is nice. base 12 inch range for everyone will mean the PCS will actually be used for more than a turn 5 objective cleaner..OH!

The old Grav chute insertion; it now happens when the Val/Ven moves MORE THAN 6 inches instead of flat out...

Sorry, we meant Vet Doctrines, as in access to carapace/demolitions/cloaks

**mr_bruno**

Not to be a bother, but could you possibly post a photo of the new book just to alleviate my fear of having my leg pulled?

Still, you're a damned saint for all this info.

**TheSilo**

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

DOCTRINES..are a lie.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At least until the inevitable Catachan, Mordian, Cadian, etc, etc. dataslates.

**BunkerBob**

I would go a step further and say Vet spam for 6 squads at just 480 points is great and that means I just need 2 more infantry boxes to make a list of 18 PG a possibility.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

BunkerBob wrote:What about Chenkov and Al'Rahem?

Trickstick wrote:Any info you can give on the psykers, or access to divination?

Smitty wrote:How about Send in the Next Wave? Is it in?

TheKbob wrote:Are the Priests the Sisters Priests?

Vendettas 6 man deep for 170 pts?

Any pts changes for Manticores or Deathstrikes?

What special characters are in/out?

Any new models in the pictures to show off something like Rough Riders?

Can a list have two tank commanders?

Can I spam 18 Leman Russes and be all cool about it?

NuggzTheNinja wrote:Jex, it sounds like a Foot Veterans list would actually be pretty badass.

What are the three options for Veterans upgrades and what do they do? Thanks in advance.

How about the Manticore, is its weapon's stats still the same?

BunkerBob wrote:What about Chenkov and Al'Rahem?

Here is everything piled into one post Jax.

**MrFlutterPie**

Do Vets still have access to shotguns?

Thanks for posting all of this

**Blacksails**

Well, Hellhounds and variants still aren't good.

Bleh.

Ah well, vets have three specials, which is nice, but the two firing ports on the Chimera hurts them in a not insignificant way.

Russ costs are nice.

**ressgonzol**

I have the codex in hand.

**Puscifer**

TheKbob wrote:
A sane man wrote:
3 Deathstrikes + Allied Fateweaver.
It begins.

What am I missing here?

**Blacksails**

ressgonzol wrote:
I have the codex in hand.

Platoon infantry squads cost 40 pts now but no longer can take ANY special weapons.

Wow, that's pretty weak on GW's behalf.

For everything good in this book, there's at least one thing that's not good.

**Crablezworth**

Blacksails wrote:
Well, Hellhounds and variants still aren't good.

Bleh.

Ah well, vets have three specials, which is nice, but the two firing ports on the Chimera hurts them in a not insignificant way.

Russ costs are nice.

Banewolf's are pretty good.