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 Kroothawk wrote:

 Red__Thirst wrote:
Only thing I'm still mildly annoyed with is the removal of the Griffon Mortar (as well as the Colossus and Medusa) because I have two I spent a good long while painting and converting up for use using the old school GW Griffon kit bits.

So this is the second main Codex in a row reducing the options (after Tyranids).
Announcing a new Codex has become a threat.
First time GW legal has won!

Well, 6th Edition has the New Codices, while later they can reintroduce the dropped characters and units once they have models to sell for them in 7th edition as Codex Classic. Things like the Colossus and Medusa could easily return via dataslate once they get around to updating the Basilisk as a combi-kit. Doom could return once GW makes a plastic Zoanthrope. Marbo will probably get rules in a Catachan supplement for Codex IG.

The Orks really need to watch their backs. There are so many things they don't have models for.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Orks really need to watch their backs. There are so many things they don't have models for.

Isn't it just Nob Bikers and a few special characters?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Orks really need to watch their backs. There are so many things they don't have models for.

Isn't it just Nob Bikers and a few special characters?

Nob bikers are sort of available - you get one biker nob in each box of bikers.

Wazdakka seems pretty certain to get the axe and I don't fancy Zogwort's chances either.

Looted wagons don't have a kit, so expect them to either get an official one or be dropped. It seems likely that there will be at least one new vehicle in the release, so maybe some elements of the looted wagon concept will be recycled. I suspect that GW thinks we need an anti-aircraft vehicle and we don't have an SPG at the moment, so maybe something like the hydra/wyvern kit.

Flash Gits have one finecast model. They could easily be removed.

Meganobs seem less likely to disappear, but I wouldn't rule it out. They might have noticed that Kromlech are making better MANs for less money.

Buggies and wartracks could get replaced, retired or left as they are.

Deffkoptas only have one ancient model at the moment. If they don't get a plastic kit, they could well be removed. Probably one of the most likely candidates for a plastic kit though.

Kommandos and Tankbustas are probably safe with their finecast kits.

Big Meks might lose the options for bikes and mega-armour, since they don't have appropriate kits and nobody takes them at the moment.

Warbosses could theoretically lose bikes and mega-armour, because they don't have suitable kits either. That would really upset a lot of ork players.

Big Guns could get removed, but I kind of doubt it.

Really, the only ones which worry me significantly are bike-warbosses, mega-armour, koptas and big guns.

Are basic commisars in AM Codex Independent Characters? Because in Codex Tempestus they are... so...who has AM Codex, speak, please! )

 UlrikDecado wrote:
Are basic commisars in AM Codex Independent Characters? Because in Codex Tempestus they are... so...who has AM Codex, speak, please! )

No. They have their own special rule that says they can only be attached to a type of unit and never removed. You get one for each PCS and CCS in your army. Looks like the only units they can't attach to are Rough Riders, Ward Psykers and Ratlings.

piemasters wrote:

 UlrikDecado wrote:
Are basic commisars in AM Codex Independent Characters? Because in Codex Tempestus they are... so...who has AM Codex, speak, please! )

No. They have their own special rule that says they can only be attached to a type of unit and never removed. You get one for each PCS and CCS in your army. Looks like the only units they can't attach to are Rough Riders, Ward Psykers and Ratlings.

Wow, this is weird...so Scion Commisars has IC and AM doesnt... but thanks!

piemasters wrote:

 UlrikDecado wrote:
Are basic commisars in AM Codex Independent Characters? Because in Codex Tempestus they are... so...who has AM Codex, speak, please! )

No. They have their own special rule that says they can only be attached to a type of unit and never removed. You get one for each PCS and CCS in your army. Looks like the only units they can't attach to are Rough Riders, Ward Psykers and Ratlings.

That seems odd, because if there was one unit I would expect to have commissars attached it would be the psykers.

They can attach to CCS, PCS. IS, Conscripts, SWS, HWT, Vets, Bull, Ogryn, Tempetus CS, Scions


It also says only one can join each unit in this manor. I suppose it make sense because you can do a tag team of priests and commies.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

piemasters wrote:

 UlrikDecado wrote:
Are basic commisars in AM Codex Independent Characters? Because in Codex Tempestus they are... so...who has AM Codex, speak, please! )

No. They have their own special rule that says they can only be attached to a type of unit and never removed. You get one for each PCS and CCS in your army. Looks like the only units they can't attach to are Rough Riders, Ward Psykers and Ratlings.

That seems odd, because if there was one unit I would expect to have commissars attached it would be the psykers.

If a Commissar is in the same unit as a Primaris Psyker and it suffers Perils of the Warp, the Commissar executes the Psyker.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Orks really need to watch their backs. There are so many things they don't have models for.

Isn't it just Nob Bikers and a few special characters?

Nob bikers are sort of available - you get one biker nob in each box of bikers.

Wazdakka seems pretty certain to get the axe and I don't fancy Zogwort's chances either.

Looted wagons don't have a kit, so expect them to either get an official one or be dropped. It seems likely that there will be at least one new vehicle in the release, so maybe some elements of the looted wagon concept will be recycled. I suspect that GW thinks we need an anti-aircraft vehicle and we don't have an SPG at the moment, so maybe something like the hydra/wyvern kit.

Flash Gits have one finecast model. They could easily be removed.

Meganobs seem less likely to disappear, but I wouldn't rule it out. They might have noticed that Kromlech are making better MANs for less money.

Buggies and wartracks could get replaced, retired or left as they are.

Deffkoptas only have one ancient model at the moment. If they don't get a plastic kit, they could well be removed. Probably one of the most likely candidates for a plastic kit though.

Kommandos and Tankbustas are probably safe with their finecast kits.

Big Meks might lose the options for bikes and mega-armour, since they don't have appropriate kits and nobody takes them at the moment.

Warbosses could theoretically lose bikes and mega-armour, because they don't have suitable kits either. That would really upset a lot of ork players.

Big Guns could get removed, but I kind of doubt it.

Really, the only ones which worry me significantly are bike-warbosses, mega-armour, koptas and big guns.

I wouldn't worry too much about those 4. Wazdakka may go (though the FW model is perfect for him) but SM don't have models for captains/chapter masters/librarians/techmarines on bikes, or Librarians with Jump packs, but those are still in the codex.
Zogwort may go too, but it seems like a wyrdboy would be the idea model to make a clampack for.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Really, the only ones which worry me significantly are bike-warbosses, mega-armour, koptas and big guns.

Given the koptas had 3 plastic models in the AOBR kit, I doubt they are going. And yeah, don't see bike Warbosses going either. Mega Armour and Big Guns are finecast so I don't see why they'd get dropped.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I wouldn't worry too much about those 4. Wazdakka may go (though the FW model is perfect for him) but SM don't have models for captains/chapter masters/librarians/techmarines on bikes, or Librarians with Jump packs, but those are still in the codex.

1. Written before GW started culling stuff.
2. Most of the Marine line is interchangeable, meaning kit-bashes are easy.

Can't kitbash a Mega-Nob or a Deffkopta out of a Boys Squad or a Battlewagon now can you?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Given the koptas had 3 plastic models in the AOBR kit, I doubt they are going. And yeah, don't see bike Warbosses going either. Mega Armour and Big Guns are finecast so I don't see why they'd get dropped.

So because there was a plastic Deffcopter in last edition's starter box, that means they won't go away? What does having a model before mean now? There are Guard models now that don't have rules thanks to the new Codex. And there are things without models that lost their rules in the 'Nids Codex. Orks have always had parts of their line completely missing, so it's a very real threat to them that parts of their list might just vanish because GW can't be bothered to make an Official™ Citadel™ Miniature™ for them.

As for the Warboss, well he gets a single-frame plastic model. Easy.

 TheKbob wrote:
Basically, here's what the new IG will be:

Spam Psykers + Inquisitors. Stack barrage weapons/russes. Fish for Misfortune, debuff deathstars, and flatten them with divination buffed character sniping.

well im running creed+yarrik, 6 vet squads with heavy and special weapons, roughriders, 2 demolishers 1 punnisher, 3 heavy mortars, agies with quad

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Given the koptas had 3 plastic models in the AOBR kit, I doubt they are going.

Surely the fact that the market has been saturated with plastic deffkopta models means that it would make more sense to cut them than to release a new kit?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Given the koptas had 3 plastic models in the AOBR kit, I doubt they are going. And yeah, don't see bike Warbosses going either. Mega Armour and Big Guns are finecast so I don't see why they'd get dropped.

So because there was a plastic Deffcopter in last edition's starter box, that means they won't go away? What does having a model before mean now? There are Guard models now that don't have rules thanks to the new Codex. And there are things without models that lost their rules in the 'Nids Codex. Orks have always had parts of their line completely missing, so it's a very real threat to them that parts of their list might just vanish because GW can't be bothered to make an Official™ Citadel™ Miniature™ for them.

As for the Warboss, well he gets a single-frame plastic model. Easy.

Except the Deffkopta does have a model still. I was just pointing out since it has a model now and also a lot of people own several of them, I doubt GW would drop it.

The things IG are losing are:

1. special characters with ancient models
2. units that haven't had a kit for a very long time (Griffon)
3. units that are handled exclusively by FW (medusa, griffon, colossus).

Tyranids can add:
4. units that don't have a kit and never (as far as I'm aware?) had a kit.

Deffkoptas, Big Guns and Mega Armour nobs don't really fit the framework of what GW has been dropping. Not impossible for them to drop it, but it would be a leap beyond what has been dropped from existing armies IMO and rather unlikely.


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 Perfect Organism wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Given the koptas had 3 plastic models in the AOBR kit, I doubt they are going.

Surely the fact that the market has been saturated with plastic deffkopta models means that it would make more sense to cut them than to release a new kit?

I don't think GW are going to cut a unit that a lot of people own in large numbers AND is still available to buy now (even if it is an old kit).


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With the new points values for Leman Russes, the LRMBT doesn't actually seem all that appealing. Though I guess without the Colossus it's one of the better ways to get AP3 large blasts.

Commissars can't join fw artillery.

Orks are rumored to have 5 new kits 2 and new units. Manz and deffkoptas are my top guesses for new boxes.

If I were GW I would turn tankbustas into a specialized version of nobs so GW can release a tankbusta/flash gits duel kit with all the nob fixings including a pirate hat options for the flash gits, a painboy with multiple heads/arms for both options, 2 grot orderlies, 2 ammo runts, waaagh banner, and 2 bomb squigs. That would make 25mm boy sized tankbustas too small and weedy and give the community 2 high demand kits that were previously unpopular. Give them the best rules upgrade in the codex and make the new box expensive say $50 for 5 nobs plus a painboy and grots.

 Maxurugi wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Yeah, I can't see any rules saying the Executioner has a special version of Gets Hot, it simply Gets Hot... that means you have to roll for EACH shot fired... pretty suicidal if you ask me!

But on the other hand, losing three shots because of a single "Gets hot!" result would'nt be cool either.

You roll three get hot rolls, but each fail only loses you one of the shots. It's just like plasma guns, you don't lose both shots because you roll a single one.

Edit: Reading your post again, I'm not sure if that is what you were trying to say.

 schadenfreude wrote:
Orks are rumored to have 5 new kits 2 and new units.

When was the last time GW released five new kits for a codex? Everyone else has got three or four. Don't see why orks would be an exception. I'd expect more than 2 new units as well, since everyone except tyranids seem to have had at least three.

I bet half the new Ork kits are based on unsold Taurox

 Trickstick wrote:

 Maxurugi wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Yeah, I can't see any rules saying the Executioner has a special version of Gets Hot, it simply Gets Hot... that means you have to roll for EACH shot fired... pretty suicidal if you ask me!

But on the other hand, losing three shots because of a single "Gets hot!" result would'nt be cool either.

You roll three get hot rolls, but each fail only loses you one of the shots. It's just like plasma guns, you don't lose both shots because you roll a single one.

Edit: Reading your post again, I'm not sure if that is what you were trying to say.

Yeah he was talking about how if it were a single "gets hot" roll, you'd lose all your shots.

IMO the executioner should have been something like:

The Executioner Battle Tank is one of the oldest Leman Russ variants, it comes from a time where Plasma technology was better understood. The main gun for the Executioner only rolls a single "gets hot" roll instead of one for each shot. If it is failed, roll to see if a glancing hit is scored as normal, however the shots are still fired.

People already weren't taking plasma sponsons because of their chance of getting hot, and that was only 40pts for 2 blasts.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Can't kitbash a Mega-Nob or a Deffkopta out of a Boys Squad or a Battlewagon now can you?

Please Please Please dont tell me I just read that... you obviously dont know ork players or hobbyists... you can literally make anything using ork models, boss... but I digress...

Orks will lose quite a few models and there is nothing we can do about it except move on and keep playing... there is only one character I hope does not get dropped... Snikrot

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Maxurugi wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Yeah, I can't see any rules saying the Executioner has a special version of Gets Hot, it simply Gets Hot... that means you have to roll for EACH shot fired... pretty suicidal if you ask me!

But on the other hand, losing three shots because of a single "Gets hot!" result would'nt be cool either.

You roll three get hot rolls, but each fail only loses you one of the shots. It's just like plasma guns, you don't lose both shots because you roll a single one.

Edit: Reading your post again, I'm not sure if that is what you were trying to say.

Yeah he was talking about how if it were a single "gets hot" roll, you'd lose all your shots.

IMO the executioner should have been something like:

The Executioner Battle Tank is one of the oldest Leman Russ variants, it comes from a time where Plasma technology was better understood. The main gun for the Executioner only rolls a single "gets hot" roll instead of one for each shot. If it is failed, roll to see if a glancing hit is scored as normal, however the shots are still fired.

People already weren't taking plasma sponsons because of their chance of getting hot, and that was only 40pts for 2 blasts.

7th ed is a few months away. GK and necrons were written for 6th ed. AM is probably written for 7th ed. Gets hot will probably be less harsh on vehicles next edition.

My love of oldschool mechwarrior has me wishlisting gets hot=2 options

#1 Chose not to fire the gun, your HP are fine, and the gun cools off

#2 Fire that bad boy, take a hp on a 4+, the gun stays hot, and the gun autofails it's next get hot roll.

In the meantime just prescience an executioner.

Contacted Forgeworld re: Militarum Tempestus/Astra Militarum updates, they don't have a date for it, but intend to place an FAQ/update list for who can take what on their website downloads section at some point in the near future, as well as updates to allow their IG stuff to function within the new book framework

 insaniak wrote:

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 BrookM wrote:
Just in case it hasn't been done yet, a better picture of the upcoming Commissar:

God, that is dire.

It's mind-boggling that they could have held this model up against the current Commissars and through it was a reasonable replacement.

Different strokes i guess, but I don't see what is so dire about this model. He looks like an older commissar with bionics.

And if it hasn't been mentioned, the older commissars appear to be back on the site.

The Commissar is growing on me a bit. The sword looks less wonky than it did in the original small picture and the "chain of command" (thank you for the awesome nickname to whoever said that) attached to the pistol is hilarious. Let's not even get started on that hat either, perfectly over the top.

Is it me, or does the new commissar have a bionic arm that attaches directly to the pistol? I don't see a hand his his pistol arm looks grey.

He has a hand, but the bottom 3 fingers are joined, the trigger finger and thumb are separate.

Oh, I thought the bottom 3 might have been behind a guard/shroud to protect the fingers from overheating or whatever

 Maxurugi wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Yeah, I can't see any rules saying the Executioner has a special version of Gets Hot, it simply Gets Hot... that means you have to roll for EACH shot fired... pretty suicidal if you ask me!

But on the other hand, losing three shots because of a single "Gets hot!" result would'nt be cool either.

you dont "lose" shots... just like rapid fire plasma guns done lose shots,

x shots = x gets hot rolls, if any get hot you just roll the save, and the others still go off.