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So I'm wondering that the reason we get 9 troops slots is because the new mob rule with cause our troops to do random things more often. So we need more troops. Half will do what we want the other half what it wants.

I'm sorry if I've missed this, but what happened to the rumoured new MANZ?

 Sirius42 wrote:
I'm sorry if I've missed this, but what happened to the rumoured new MANZ?

Looking like the week after we get the codex.

 Sirius42 wrote:
I'm sorry if I've missed this, but what happened to the rumoured new MANZ?

Next week. You see one of the new models in the lower corner in a pic on the first page, the title of how-to-paint-orks. So they are coming but haven't been announced officially yet. Assumption is it's in the following WDW:

Leerjawise wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
yeah.. they will almost certainly drop a basic ork to 5 pts... grots will go down a pt too i think.

they dropped conscripts likewize, and I saw that one happening too....

makes sense rules wize, and GW gets to sell more models, so very probable I think.

The only thing im not to sure about is the pts change to ard boys or how they will be handled, guard got a HUGE drop in the cost of putting carapace armour on, so hopefully orks do as well

Sadly if the Mek Gunz are any indication, grots will stay at 3pts.

The grots on the Mek Gunz are essentially extra wounds for the Gunz.

Grots on their own are distilled low characteristics. I wouldn't be surprised if they had different points costs.

I think grots are just about perfect - it's easier to kill a Terminator shooting at them with 20 grots than it is 20-30 boyz. That alone justifies the points drop for boyz while keeping grots the way they are

I was planning a Grot Mob, so as long as they don't go up, I'm happy. I hope they made "It's a Grot's life" worth a crap now.


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I was hoping for new info by now...

 Kosake wrote:

 deffrekka wrote:
"vier megawumnen" that's 4 weapons on the battlewagon, so its possibly 4 big shootas or mega blastas?

[...]
2. Megawummen would be some sort of mega-shoota. I have no idea what that should be, but it clearly is bigger than a regular big shoota. If I can strap on 4 of whatever it is on a battlewagon, that spells awesomesauce.
[...]

"megawummen" are 'big gunz' i.e. lobbaz, cannons, zzapguns etc

hmmmm four lobbaz on my battlewagon? that sounds awesome

 YourIntestines wrote:

Leerjawise wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
yeah.. they will almost certainly drop a basic ork to 5 pts... grots will go down a pt too i think.

they dropped conscripts likewize, and I saw that one happening too....

makes sense rules wize, and GW gets to sell more models, so very probable I think.

The only thing im not to sure about is the pts change to ard boys or how they will be handled, guard got a HUGE drop in the cost of putting carapace armour on, so hopefully orks do as well

Sadly if the Mek Gunz are any indication, grots will stay at 3pts.

The grots on the Mek Gunz are essentially extra wounds for the Gunz.

Grots on their own are distilled low characteristics. I wouldn't be surprised if they had different points costs.

yeah I see either the two have different points, so normal grots go down,

or they change the rules somehow to make grots a bit better,

stat wize, +1str +1 T +2 to the save, +1 to initiative, a better gun and so on costs only 1 pt (comparing grots to conscripts)

Id be happy with pts going down or grots life being actually usefull!

ork jets seem to be troops now.

in a leaked image of a german white dwarf, you can see a blitza-bomma taken as a troop choice

the hq choice is a bigmek but kans and deff dreads are listed as support...

but then again the list consists of
3 HQ (mek, painboy, bardukk)
4 TROOPS (3xboyz, bomma)
1 ELITE (nobz)
6 Support (flashgitz, dread, kans, morkanaut, battlewagon, big gunz)

unbound crap? new ork FoC's?

RedNoak wrote:
ork jets seem to be troops now.

in a leaked image of a german white dwarf, you can see a blitza-bomma taken as a troop choice

the hq choice is a bigmek but kans and deff dreads are listed as support...

but then again the list consists of
3 HQ (mek, painboy, bardukk)
4 TROOPS (3xboyz, bomma)
1 ELITE (nobz)
6 Support (flashgitz, dread, kans, morkanaut, battlewagon, big gunz)

unbound crap? new ork FoC's?

It's likely a typo and supposed to be fast attack. Why else would it be listed separately.

You're waaaay behind the times.

The consensus was (I believe) that that was a typo and that it was two combined arms detachments or unbound.

or meks make meky stuff like kans and dakka jets troops.... not totally out of the realm of possibility...

neither is the typo though

Hey, do we know how many points the Morkanaut and Gorkanaut are?

(thats you know incase I missed it)

 jackblg wrote:
Hey, do we know how many points the Morkanaut and Gorkanaut are?

(thats you know incase I missed it)

First post.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
But placing a restriction on how many primary detachments you can use unfairly advantages armies that have a decent array of useful units evenly distributed amongst the various slots, and disadvantages armies that are purposefully built as "horde armies".

It's like how in Fantasy the most recent edition moved to percentages instead of a 0-3 restriction on types of characters. O & G and Skaven players loved the change because it made the cost of their characters actually make some kind of difference, allowing them to take multiples and properly representing the kinds of armies that kind of race would field.

Same thing here, limiting the number of primary detachments to 1 unnecessarily advantages armies like Space Marines or Tau, whilst disadvantaging Orks and Tyranids.

This. So much this.

Last edition I had Tau and Eldar players telling me the game was balanced, and that double FO at 2000 was not.

Except at 1999+1 those bastards could get all the riptides and such they wanted, and I couldn't run enough of the things that made Orks any good.

This crying about multiple detachments is just the same old gak

Mind is a little blown that we still haven't seen any leaks from the actual codex.

GW really has managed to plug all the leaks haven't they?

Thats how i always felt about my orks. Above 1250 i was maxing out a tactic and started having to bring a sub-tactic, but unable to bring enough to make it work. Due to so many things being in the Heavy slot it was really, really hard to field anything other than a green tide and have proper support for it at a higher point level....and i hate green tide games lol

Who doesn't hate green tide games. It's boring, monotone, and lacks any kind of actual playability, or tactical draw. Sure, it's funny once or twice to flood the table with boyz and spend hours taking your turn, trying to march them across the board. After a while though, it's silly and lame, and wow, will it piss off your opponents.

Yea because who doesnt love the tactical awesomeness of a game of 3-4 Riptides!

Bring on the Green Tide!

My Green Tide did really well at 'Ard Boyz...but I'd rather bring Meganob Spam or Flash Gitz like any Proppa Ork

English WD says blitza-bomba is Fast attack, looks like it was a typo.

Also, it says that orks won't have invul saves in close combat.

Nobz have access to 'eavy armour, kill saws.

Battlewagon was mistaken for 4 big shootas - entry shows as Zzap gun, four big shootas and def rolla.

Ork objective examples - "We Go! Waaaggh! Score 1 victory point if an ork unit charges 10 or more. If 3 or more, score d3 instead.

Seems all Orks (not grots) have furious charge and 'Ere we go! rules.

More to follow..

 Dez wrote:
My Green Tide did really well at 'Ard Boyz...but I'd rather bring Meganob Spam or Flash Gitz like any Proppa Ork

My question to you is, how the hell did you manage to get them all moved fast enough to finish your games?

RobZie wrote:Mods, First post could do with some updating. OP isn't going to do it, we all knew he was bogus from the start and i don't know why we continued with his thread.

zachwho wrote:can we please get the first post updated??

If there is new information that you feel should be added to the OP, the best thing to do is to hit the 'mod alert' button (the yellow triangle with the exclamation mark in it) on the post that contains the new information and in the 'reason' field, just put that this info should be added to the OP and a mod will take care of it.

 matphat wrote:
Who doesn't hate green tide games. It's boring, monotone, and lacks any kind of actual playability, or tactical draw. Sure, it's funny once or twice to flood the table with boyz and spend hours taking your turn, trying to march them across the board. After a while though, it's silly and lame, and wow, will it piss off your opponents.

I typically always play green tide. There are rare cases where I run a mechanized army, but not nearly as often. It only takes an hour to move a lot of models if you're incompetent. An Ork player should already know what they are going to do next turn anyway, so they should take very little time actually moving models, since they should just have to quick reference distance.

Some other players may find it annoying, but unless someone has told me otherwise, I'm not going to alter what makes the game fun for me. Ork players, or maybe just me, don't mind moving lots or removing models by the handful. Plus, it's great when they aren't sure what to shoot at first. Orks are one of the few factions that have that luxury. If I play MEQ, it's easy to decide what dies first and what can be left alone until later because in most cases, you have VASTLY fewer models/squads than I do.

Or, if opponents are getting pissed they just prove bad sportsmanship. Getting pissed at a player for playing their models is silly. I don't get mad at local Tau players for putting Riptides on the table, or MEQs playing their Knights. They payed for em, and I don't mind facing em. I know I'll lose 80% of my games because Orks tend to lose unless objectives fall in my favor. My local group loves it when me or our other Ork player show up because there AREN'T a lot of games where they can blow gak up in vast amounts. Plus, it offers a different scenario for them than armies standing as far back as possible and pulling triggers. Pressure happens. It's fun.

 matphat wrote:

 Dez wrote:
My Green Tide did really well at 'Ard Boyz...but I'd rather bring Meganob Spam or Flash Gitz like any Proppa Ork

My question to you is, how the hell did you manage to get them all moved fast enough to finish your games?

I do it, every game! Measure the front rank, then move the rest quickly. Takes practice, but it's fairly easily. Then again, I don't make sure all my Boyz are EXACTLY 2" apart.

 ciaflayed1 wrote:

 matphat wrote:

 Dez wrote:
My Green Tide did really well at 'Ard Boyz...but I'd rather bring Meganob Spam or Flash Gitz like any Proppa Ork

My question to you is, how the hell did you manage to get them all moved fast enough to finish your games?

I do it, every game! Measure the front rank, then move the rest quickly. Takes practice, but it's fairly easily. Then again, I don't make sure all my Boyz are EXACTLY 2" apart.

Ditto I try to keep them apart, but I just eyeball it, I don't sit there for 10 minutes and space them all to avoid a nasty pie plate. I just GO! 'ERE WE GO!

Seems that orks are getting quite a few things which require them to charge 10" or more. That seems difficult even with a re-roll. Like a 30% chance? Not sure if they need you to actually move that far or just roll that high... although most ork units will be able to get the full move with the rear ranks at least.

So you would need to get ten units in a position to charge in one turn in order to get a good shot at D3 victory points?

Melevolence wrote:

 ciaflayed1 wrote:

 matphat wrote:

 Dez wrote:
My Green Tide did really well at 'Ard Boyz...but I'd rather bring Meganob Spam or Flash Gitz like any Proppa Ork

My question to you is, how the hell did you manage to get them all moved fast enough to finish your games?

I do it, every game! Measure the front rank, then move the rest quickly. Takes practice, but it's fairly easily. Then again, I don't make sure all my Boyz are EXACTLY 2" apart.

Ditto I try to keep them apart, but I just eyeball it, I don't sit there for 10 minutes and space them all to avoid a nasty pie plate. I just GO! 'ERE WE GO!

Funny. I usually only run 60-90 boyz in my games, but I've gotten to the point where I literally just pick 20-30 boyz up in a double handful and just dump them behind the front line. It screws me when the plates start falling, but I don't care.

This just showed up on my FB feed. I wonder what the card is?

The poster has yet to elaborate.