BooBoo wrote:
Thanks a lot for the reply, Perfect Organism. What about their HQ's? Anything worthwile taking in CC from your point of view?

With the changes to Cybork body MANZ have no invul save now? Do they still have inbuilt Cybork from Mega armor? Point change for Manz? Otherwise they weren't that good but got nerfed....

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You people have added 20 pages since yesterday. Can we get a summary of some sort?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You people have added 20 pages since yesterday. Can we get a summary of some sort?

 doktor_g wrote:


Are Lootas heavy now?

 MrFlutterPie wrote:

 doktor_g wrote:


Are Lootas heavy now?

Yup. The HS is super crowed right now.

TableTopJosh wrote:
Im selling my ork army. Warboss, 6 trukks, 2 Bws, 6 bikes, 30 slugga boys, 90 shoota boyz, 3 lootas, 6 deffkoptas, 8-10 nobs. Screw GW and warhammer. Is this an over reaction, maybe but this game is just spiralling down the toliet. 7th is a joke.

Johnnytorrance wrote:
Going on sale in the US!

FW Warboss on bike painted
Big Mek SAG partially painted
Warboss with PK partially painted

6 nob bikers one painboy on bike painted

60 Shoota boys skin mostly painted
30 slugga choppa boys mostly painted

Dakkajet painted

Deffdred painted magnetized

15 lootas painted

3 deffcoptas (plastic) partially painted

8 custom big guns
1 GW big gun
18 grot gunners

Serious offers only

 Vineheart01 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You people have added 20 pages since yesterday. Can we get a summary of some sort?

Orks got Tyranided. We lost almost everything that was decent, some uselessness got even more useless or straight up removed, Big Gunz are about the only real major boon we got.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So how exactly did Orks get "Tyranid-ed"?

 adamsouza wrote:
bunch of stuff already covered so we can keep the repeat questions down.

HQs listed as
Zagstruk
Grotsnik
Mek is a slotless HQ, 1 per actual HQ bought
Big Mek does not change FoC
Painboy
Warboss does not change FoC
Weirdboy.
Badrukk is a HQ (3+, 5++, str 7 AP2 assault 3 gun) , Badrukk has the rules listed for Da Rippa, but it is not listed in his wargear
Snikrot is not HQ, Snikkrot an elite (doesnt take a slot if taken with Kommandos) (shrouded on arrival, you pick an edge to outflank dont roll)
No Wazdakka
No Zogwort.
Ghaz is a LOW now, can take runts/squigs, stats look unchaged

D6 Warlord Trait
1 Prophet of the Waaagh!: Mork (or possibly Gork) has chosen this Warlord for greatness, and every Ork under his command knows it.
The Warlord gains the Waaagh! special rule. If the Warlord already has the Waaagh! special rule then, in addition to the usual effects, all friendly models with the ’Ere We Go! special rule gain the Fearless special rule when he calls a Waaagh!, until the start of their next turn.
2 Bellowing Tyrant: This Warlord is an unholy terror, a roaring lunatic whose every (very loud) word is law.
The Warlord, and all friendly units with the Orks Faction within 12" of him, re-roll failed Morale checks and Pinning tests.
3 Like a Thunderbolt!: This Warlord is a master of the all-out, no-holds-barred, headlong charge into battle.
The Warlord, and all friendly units with the Orks Faction within 12" of him, can re-roll all the dice when determining Run moves or charge range.
4 Brutal but Kunnin’: This Warlord has a sneaky streak a mile wide and knows just where to hit his foes.
The Warlord can re-roll one failed To Hit or To Wound roll each turn.
5 Kunnin’ but Brutal: The Warlord knows when to roll with a punch, and can shrug off the hardest blows.
The Warlord can re-roll one failed armour or invulnerable saving throw each turn.
6 Might is Right: Made of muscle and aggression, this Warlord is the embodiment of the Orks’ warlike nature.
The Warlord receives +1 to the Strength characteristic on his profile.

Buggys don't get new weapons, do get Grot Riggers at 10 points.
Not seen anything about FNP at all yet.
Grot riggers don't just work for IWND on 'nauts, any vehicle that has them, but cost per vehicle seems to differ. 20 to put them on a 'naut. BW don't seem to have the option.
Looks to be a lot more options with selecting wargear for meks
"A Big Mek may take items from the Mek Weapons, Melee Weapons, Runts & Squigs, Orky Know-wots and/or Gifts of Gork and Mork lists."
Mob rule is replaced by the D6 roll, yes.

Kustom Mega Slugga is a thing.
A Big Mek with mega armour can take one of the following
- Tellyport blasta Tellyporta blasta is the back mouned thing I've been describing and seems... uh, situational at best? Very short range weapon but causes instant death on a 6 wound. Rolling a 6 on AP causes a penetrating hit regardless of AV.
- Kustom force field
- Shock attack gun roll of double 6 is vortex!!!
- KFF can be combined with mega armour and bikes, Shock attack gun seems to be combinable with bikes.
- Git finda on SAG mek?



Relics:
Gifts of Gork and Mork
Da Dead Shiny Shoota 6 shots twinlinked shoota, rolls of 1 hit one of your own units
Da Finkin’ Kap gives your warlord an additional trait from the strategic list.
Da Fixer Upperz
Da Lucky Stikk
Headwoppa’s Killchoppa is a +2 str, AP5, rending choppa that beheads on a roll of 6 (insta death).
Warboss Gazbag’s Blitzbike has an AP3 deff gun on it

Mob Chart
D6 Result
1 If the unit is locked in combat, it passes the Morale check or Pinning test. If the unit is not locked in combat, it fails.
2-3 If the unit includes one or more Ork characters (including Independent Characters), it suffers D6 Strength 4 AP- hits, and is then treated as if it had passed the Morale check or Pinning test.
4-6 If the unit has 10 or more models, it suffers D6 Strength 4 AP- hits, and is then treated as if it had passed the Morale check or Pinning test. The hits are Randomly Allocated. If the unit has fewer than 10 models, it fails the Morale check or Pinning test.

Boss Pole gives Reroll on the mob chart.

Stompa in as super heavy

Battle Wagon up 20 points.

Killkannon still lowers transport on BW

Attack squig nerfed to 1 reroll in melee per turn

Tankbustas can shoot at whatever they like, and Bustas and Burnas can take dedicated trukks

Kommandos get Stealth, no point hike

Ramshackle got clobbered.. 6+ save when you take a pen, if successful downgrade to glance

Buggies in units of 5, gained outflank and a minor point decrease.

Rule for planks is a little complicated. If you get out of open topped and declare a charge, add 2 to the charge range

Deffrolla gains AP4 and loses half the hits

Lootas Heavy Support and cheaper (5 points less per squad)

Kans come in 6 packs, NO twin guns, NO Troop choice option, have special morale rule

If you take an Ork Warband detachment, you can Waaaagh every turn after the first

Weirdboys gain a Warp Charge point if there are 10 or more models with the 'ere we go rule (Pretty much any Ork from what I've seen) in 12" but has to take a psychic save or take a hit.
Power of the Waaagh! and Daemonlogy disciplines.
Can be upgraded to Psyker level 2.
Ork psychic powers are all cool. Either high strength, or teleport, large blast etc.
Primaris power is Frazzle (Blast witchfire).
'Eadbanger is now a focussed witchfire.
Warpath is a self blessing
Da jump is what used to be 'ere we go.
Killbolt is a beam attack.
Power vomit is a template witchfire.
Da Krunch is a barrage witchfire.

Cheap IWND on vehicles (5 points on Kans, 10 on dreds)

Painboy is IC, so put him where you need him, can take a bike.

Dedi transports available for burnas and tank bustas now

Warboss/Bigmek Mega Armor Kit is a thing

Ork boys cost 1 less point, but Shoota is 1 pt ugrade now

The HQ Mek (not Big Mek) has Boy statline

Pain Boys can not get 'Eavy Amor?

Zzap gun 2D6, gets hot on a 1-3 if you roll 11 or 12

Kannons and Lobbas unchanged

 Ascalam wrote:
Manz never has one anyway.

Manz are not terminators, so never had an inbuilt inv save, or any option to get one short of having grotsnik

 matphat wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So how exactly did Orks get "Tyranid-ed"?

HBMC, it's probably not all as bad as "tyranided". However, a lot of our old go to rules have been gutted, and a lot of our new rules are feel particularly weak right now.
Some examples Bikes losing 4+ smoke cloud cover, Kans do morale checks, KFF no longer affects anyone outside of embarked vehicles but only the vehicle, mob rule is gonewith new version of Mob Rule seeming weak and unreliable, Ramshackle doesn't do much of anything, Points increases in strange locations with weird point decreases other places.

Generally, the codex seems all over the board, with very little to latch on to in terms of exciting design. It's feeling lack luster, uninspired, and very murky in terms of feel and direction.

Just my opinion.

 Billagio wrote:

 matphat wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So how exactly did Orks get "Tyranid-ed"?

HBMC, it's probably not all as bad as "tyranided". However, a lot of our old go to rules have been gutted, and a lot of our new rules are feel particularly weak right now.
Some examples Bikes losing 4+ smoke cloud cover, Kans do morale checks, KFF no longer affects anyone outside of embarked vehicles but only the vehicle, mob rule is gonewith new version of Mob Rule seeming weak and unreliable, Ramshackle doesn't do much of anything, Points increases in strange locations with weird point decreases other places.

Generally, the codex seems all over the board, with very little to latch on to in terms of exciting design. It's feeling lack luster, uninspired, and very murky in terms of feel and direction.

Just my opinion.

This is a pretty good summary of how I feel. I was pretty optomistic with seeing some of the new stuff and the rumors, and I would honestly be OK with most of the changes, except that stupid as moral table thingy.

 streetsamurai wrote:
wow, dont tell me some persons are really selling their army cause they don't like what they heard about a book that have yet to release. That's simply stunning

 Lloyld wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
wow, dont tell me some persons are really selling their army cause they don't like what they heard about a book that have yet to release. That's simply stunning

Fine with me, gets me armies for cheap

TableTopJosh wrote:
Im selling my ork army. Warboss, 6 trukks, 2 Bws, 6 bikes, 30 slugga boys, 90 shoota boyz, 3 lootas, 6 deffkoptas, 8-10 nobs. Screw GW and warhammer. Is this an over reaction, maybe but this game is just spiralling down the toliet. 7th is a joke.